2008 Primaries Thread

Obama/Harold Ford

the ultimate guy/girl might well be hillary, if she'll take it

just asking

just answered!

No way would she take it, unless she already has hired assassins lying in wait. xp

i think obama/hilary would be awesome

if he picks Richardson, Dave Chappelle will look like Nostradamus

I'd read about a dozen variations of this line from Dowd's column this morning: "Tuesday’s voting showed only that the voters, like moviegoers, don’t want a pat ending."

Is this the dumbest thing ever? It suggests that voters as a monolithic body decided to split their vote in order to prolong the primary. As opposed to the prolonging being a natural result from the split votes. What exactly do Dowd and commentators believe is happening? That there's a giant voter cabal determining voting patterns consciously? Or is she making a Jungian call here - that the US voter group unconscious is prolonging the race?

Obama's breakthrough among whites - http://www.slate.com/id/2183835/nav/ais/

yeah thats retarded - im pretty sure obama supporters and hillary supporters both hoped the race would end yesterday with a decisive win

haha Dowd is just being lazy

Dowd is super lazy, but I've heard this formulation or something like it about a dozen times since yesterday. I think the election pundits have totally lost their shit.

the clinton self-loan rumors? they're true.

Late last month Senator Clinton loaned her campaign $5 million. The loan illustrates Sen. Clinton’s commitment to this effort and to ensuring that our campaign has the resources it needs to compete and win across this nation. We have had one of our best fundraising efforts ever on the web stoday and our Super Tuesday victories will only help in bringing more support for her candidacy.

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0208/Clinton_loaned_her_campaign_5_million.html

that's in addition to the 13.5 million raised by her campaign

http://doublehappiness.ilikenicethings.com/wp-content/picture-6.jpg

how do "brokered convetions" work?

Basically the delegates are wooed and cajoled into switching to the other side. There will be multiple votes, until there is a clear winner.

A brokered Democratic convention is a near impossibility because of the super delegates.

Obama/Knight

Can we get a new thread? My computer is protesting when I load the whole thing.

Clinton: "My opponent was able to raise more money, and we intended to be competitive, and we were, and I think the results last night proved the wisdom of my investment."

I'm having trouble parsing this in a way that doesn't resolve into a tautology

Can we get a new thread? My computer is protesting when I load the whole thing.

-- The Reverend, Wednesday, February 6, 2008 11:15 AM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Link

I think you are vastly underestimating the power of hillaryhate.

Ya know, based on participation in this thread and every other political forum I read on the internets, I think the turnout of women voters in Democratic primaries is somewhat underestimated and the reasons they are favoring Hillary totally undiscussed? There's a huge gender gap in a lot of these primaries. And please don't dismiss the idea out of hand that women might go to caucus with their husbands and follow along with what they are doing, whereas they wouldn't in a voting booth. It happens.

lol internet boys' club

Clinton-Romney. They can give each other self-financing.

and daria, i think the gap has as much to do with generation as with gender

mccain giving a press conference asking for the conservatives to lighten up on bashing him while fucking lieberman is standing behind him is o_O.

wild speculation, but i think this financial disclosure from the clinton campaign might effectively rally the obama contributor base -- or it could certainly be leveraged towards that end

I think the turnout of women voters in Democratic primaries is somewhat underestimated and the reasons they are favoring Hillary totally undiscussed

older women going for Hillary is kind of a no-brainer, no?

Latinos love of Clinton is kinda more of a headscratcher to me - she doesn't seem to be particularly strong defender of immigration or anything like that

mccain giving a press conference asking for the conservatives to lighten up on bashing him while fucking lieberman is standing behind him is o_O.

He wanted Joementum?

Or he's a Joementalist.

Yesterday NPR posited the "Latino" culture's "strong" matriarchal tradition. As a "Latino," I think it's only partly true.

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Well, the internet is a boys' club. Sometimes I don't check this thread for a while and then I check back in and I'm kind of struck by.. how there's obviously a lot of disgust for her and constant mocking of pretty much anything she and her campaign do.

And since I seem to be the only woman posting here I find myself asking, why is it that you guys hate her so much? But given that the majority of Democratic primary voters are women, shouldn't you guys be the ones asking why she is winning most of their votes?

[We now return to our regularly scheduled round of Hillary-bashing.]

Nicole.. OK, I'm not the only one. Seemed like it for a while

I want to talk more about the womens' vote. Are these women not going to vote for Obama in the general? my Mom certainly would, but I can't say that about my octogenarian grandmother. and what is the size of the womens' vote that Hillary would swing in a general (discounted by increased turnout in opposition to her and at least some loss of independents) vis-a-vis the size of extra male and independent and youth support Obama would obtain (discounted by at least some losses among older white folks and hispanics)?

the idea that women following husbands outside the privacy of the voting booth being responsible for Obama's caucus wins is completely ridiculous imo.

are they not aware she wants a fucking wall between the US and Mexico?

I've gone into plenty of detail about why I would never vote for Hillary gimme a break

Pundit on ABC last night put the women going for Clinton down to the fact that Women normally manage family healthcare and Hillary has the better plan, which is, at least, plausible.

That's not what I said, gabbneb. I simply said that for some women that probably does happen.

BBC posits this:

But over and above any dislike for Mr Obama, the main attraction of Mrs Clinton for many Hispanic voters is her husband.

They remember Bill Clinton's presidency as a time of economic prosperity - and his wife has benefited from those positive feelings.

In the Mercado, a market in East Los Angeles, Mario and Susana Espitia said that they felt that Obama was a "good guy" ("es un buen tipo"), but that they would vote for Mrs Clinton.

"In spite of Monica Lewinsky, Clinton was a good president, the economy was going well, we had jobs, and there was not a war. It's a great deal, we get her and the back-up support of her husband," said Mario.

Health care matters a lot to me, of course I've mentioned it here and got LOLZ HEALTHCARE

apparently, besides romney, there's recent precedent for self-loaning to campaigns; kerry in 2003 and john mccain in 2007 took out loans against a mortgage and a life insurance policy, respectively.

mmm, Newsmaxy

mccain giving a press conference asking for the conservatives to lighten up on bashing him while fucking lieberman

"In spite of Monica Lewinsky, Clinton was a good president, the economy was going well, we had jobs, and there was not a war. It's a great deal, we get her and the back-up support of her husband," said Mario.

argh hillary supported this fucking war you idiot

Health care matters a lot to me

keep repeating that obama-doesn't-care-about-health-care mantra

let's all make up crazy shit and then cite to newsmaxxy

Gabbneb, you can read, WTF. That is not what I said.

when discussing "Latinos," by the way, let's omit Cuban-Americans, who LOATHE both Clinton as much as Limbaugh does.

guys, obviously men are for obama because he's a man (unless they're for hillary because they're old like her) and woman are for hillary because she's a woman (unless they're for obama because he's young like them). what about this is hard to understand?

daria, i understand you feel embattled and i do sympathize that you don't think you've been received fairly, but please -- i don't think anyone here bears you any personal animus, although it's pretty obvious that the ilx demographic slants obama anyway, so the deck (at least here) is kinda stacked against you, sorry to say

when discussing Latinos, btw, let's pretend that Cubans make up 1 in 20