So I guess she is bad now too
― Trϵϵship, Thursday, 7 February 2019 17:26 (five years ago) link
Yes.
― xyzzzz__, Thursday, 7 February 2019 17:27 (five years ago) link
I’m a little disturbed at how scandals have become the new American pasttime. It seems like there is more going on than just holding people accoutable—people seem to truly live for this shit.
― Trϵϵship, Thursday, 7 February 2019 17:28 (five years ago) link
Gawker died and then the world became Gawker
― Trϵϵship, Thursday, 7 February 2019 17:29 (five years ago) link
trenchant
― mookieproof, Thursday, 7 February 2019 17:29 (five years ago) link
Treesh have you considered writing opeds
― Norm’s Superego (silby), Thursday, 7 February 2019 17:30 (five years ago) link
We talk about disgraced people on ilx all day long
― Trϵϵship, Thursday, 7 February 2019 17:30 (five years ago) link
I mean if you write a book all about how new young journalists are inept and unprepared to cover their beats, and it turns out you both plagiarized it and had a lot of it ghosted, you're going to have to eat a ration of shit.
― Plinka Trinka Banga Tink (Eliza D.), Thursday, 7 February 2019 17:30 (five years ago) link
I would be an amazing op ed writer. Shakey might even do the “treesh rip”/ “not really” thing
― Trϵϵship, Thursday, 7 February 2019 17:32 (five years ago) link
I’m not saying she is good. I’m questioning the relative energy we spend as a society discussing scandals. There will always be someone to get mad at—justifiably—an endless reserve
― Trϵϵship, Thursday, 7 February 2019 17:33 (five years ago) link
perhaps a thread with 'clusterfucks' in the title is not for you
― mookieproof, Thursday, 7 February 2019 17:34 (five years ago) link
Having a new young journalist ghostwrite your book, and having that book turn out to be full of plagiarism is an excellent way to prove that new young journalists suck
― We were never Breeting Borting (President Keyes), Thursday, 7 February 2019 17:35 (five years ago) link
Noted. It goes beyond clusterfuck threads though
― Trϵϵship, Thursday, 7 February 2019 17:35 (five years ago) link
xp
― Trϵϵship, Thursday, 7 February 2019 17:36 (five years ago) link
It seems like there is more going on than just holding people accoutable—people seem to truly live for this shit.
Yes we should just sit back and let ppl lie and generally destroy other ppl.
― xyzzzz__, Thursday, 7 February 2019 17:38 (five years ago) link
You may have a fair larger point but Jill abramson is IMO a very poor hill to die on
― Evans on Hammond (evol j), Thursday, 7 February 2019 17:38 (five years ago) link
as noted last time, plagiarizing is the dumbest thing to do because in this day and age you will get caught and you will suffer for it
― Norm’s Superego (silby), Thursday, 7 February 2019 17:41 (five years ago) link
Reading more about it. Definitely bizarre judgment.
― Trϵϵship, Thursday, 7 February 2019 17:45 (five years ago) link
there have been so many of these "my research assistant fucked up" plagiarism excuses for these celebrity non-fic writers that I'd be tempted to tell them to write the books themselves, but of course that would cut into tv and twitter time.
― We were never Breeting Borting (President Keyes), Thursday, 7 February 2019 17:48 (five years ago) link
It's like an artist studio, the named artist guides the younger artists as they actually put paint on the canvas and then gives it a once-over before signing their name on the finished work
― mh, Thursday, 7 February 2019 17:55 (five years ago) link
I think the main takeaway from things like this I've discovered over the years that if someone spends a considerable amount of time presenting a public face as an author or doing speaking tours/social obligations while being highly paid, most likely they're doing brand management and whatever vocation they are presenting is the work they have others do
― mh, Thursday, 7 February 2019 17:58 (five years ago) link
re: Mallory. A view from the publishing front.
https://www.stylist.co.uk/books/this-expose-of-a-crime-writer-is-a-damning-indictment-of-the-way-publishing-treats-women/249724
― xyzzzz__, Thursday, 7 February 2019 19:19 (five years ago) link
Also, given that so many people do awful things and get away with them ALL THE FUCKING TIME, it's nice to see at least a few of them possibly beginning to go down in flames.
― Mince Pramthwart (James Morrison), Friday, 8 February 2019 00:16 (five years ago) link
I feel like if Andrew Cunanan didn’t murder anyone he would have gone into publishing
his first victim was probably Todd Loren, so that coulda been a coin-flip
― The Very Fugly Caterpillar (sic), Friday, 8 February 2019 06:47 (five years ago) link
lol @ Luna comparison .... if Mallory posted on ilx with that kind of writing style I would have totally started at least one obliquely titled parody thread about what a douche he sounds like
― sarahell, Friday, 8 February 2019 08:35 (five years ago) link
lol i just realised that the new yorker piece abt the so-called "famous" (ilx: LET IT GO MARK) novelist is i4n p4rk3r so everyone saying biting the story as a let-down now has my support
― mark s, Friday, 8 February 2019 11:42 (five years ago) link
backstory: he turned down a couple of my proposals in the late 80s and then joined the new yorker staff so he is cancelled for all time, this beef will nevah die
― mark s, Friday, 8 February 2019 11:44 (five years ago) link
It’s a bad piece! Picks the wrong targets, only scratches the worthwhile ones, and sidelines the victims. It’s a vanity fair feature at best.
― Chuck_Tatum, Friday, 8 February 2019 14:13 (five years ago) link
Another YA author "self-cancellation": https://slate.com/culture/2019/03/ya-book-scandal-kosoko-jackson-a-place-for-wolves-explained.html
I have to think this level of self-defeating has to burn itself out at some point? Alternatively, YA as a genre could be reexamined--that piece points out most YA readers are adults and these outrage drives are led by them too.
― rob, Tuesday, 5 March 2019 17:57 (five years ago) link
it's probably true that this kind of second-hand outrage is a far more pernicious bourgie indulgence than using an ethnic war as a setting could be
― imago, Tuesday, 5 March 2019 18:09 (five years ago) link
I say we cancel fiction altogether just in case.
― pomenitul, Tuesday, 5 March 2019 18:19 (five years ago) link
Is anyone writing a dystopian YA novel about the dystopian YA community— Elisa Gabbert (@egabbert) March 5, 2019
― sean gramophone, Tuesday, 5 March 2019 18:28 (five years ago) link
lol
― jolene club remix (BradNelson), Tuesday, 5 March 2019 18:30 (five years ago) link
(independent of anything i love elisa gabbert)
otm
― rob, Tuesday, 5 March 2019 18:35 (five years ago) link
“I have to be absolutely fucking honest here, everybody,” the review opened, in the hyperbolic voice of its genre. “I’ve never been so disgusted in my life.”... (The reviewer nonetheless gave the book two stars out of five because “it was ownvoices and well done.”)
― Trϵϵship, Tuesday, 5 March 2019 18:55 (five years ago) link
sO dIsGUsTeD!
― imago, Tuesday, 5 March 2019 18:56 (five years ago) link
The issue in this one is that black queer authors shouldn’t write about the kosovo war?
― Trϵϵship, Tuesday, 5 March 2019 18:57 (five years ago) link
Or is it that war stories shouldn’t be love stories? (This is about two young men that fall in love during the kosovo war).
― Trϵϵship, Tuesday, 5 March 2019 18:59 (five years ago) link
Seems like a good premise honestly
― Trϵϵship, Tuesday, 5 March 2019 19:01 (five years ago) link
Why are people who exclusively consume culture made for children always so angry about it
― A funny tinge happened on the way to the forum (wins), Tuesday, 5 March 2019 19:03 (five years ago) link
It’s not about the fact it’s YA. They have an ideology they’re promoting. It just took root in this community in an especially uncompromising way.
― Trϵϵship, Tuesday, 5 March 2019 19:07 (five years ago) link
so why did it take root in THIS community in an especially uncompromising way? seems like it is about YA to some degree
― na (NA), Tuesday, 5 March 2019 19:09 (five years ago) link
it fully is about YA and the kind of adults who are into YA
― ( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, 5 March 2019 19:09 (five years ago) link
maybe YA tends to be more about identity than other types of literature
― na (NA), Tuesday, 5 March 2019 19:10 (five years ago) link
maybe YA has to be morally uncompromised because it is for children, who are less capable of parsing ambiguity and contradiction
― na (NA), Tuesday, 5 March 2019 19:12 (five years ago) link
(not my perspective, the theoretical perspective of YA critics)
i guess. and also young readers are in a phase of life where they want to see people like themselves reflected in stories, so the critics want to make sure they're encountering "authentic" representations.
― Trϵϵship, Tuesday, 5 March 2019 19:15 (five years ago) link
In his statement, Jackson invoked his young readership by mentioning the “responsibility that comes with introducing readers to certain topics.”
these people are wildly self-important
― call all destroyer, Tuesday, 5 March 2019 19:16 (five years ago) link
i think the idea of promoting diverse stories so young readers don't feel marginalized is 100% laudable, btw, which is why i think the idea of a war book with gay protagonists who fall in love sounds great. what is insidious is the constant policing of who has the right to tell what story
― Trϵϵship, Tuesday, 5 March 2019 19:17 (five years ago) link