Soup Dragons: Classic or Dud?

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Aha, all I remember about these guys was that naff film clip for that one song...but they did contribute a drummer to the fabulous Teenage fanclub and that more than makes up for any sins.

Jeremy, Sunday, 18 February 2001 01:00 (13 years ago) Permalink

7 months pass...
its 2001 aND i HAVEN'T HEARD ABOUT THEM IN 10 YEARS AND I STILL LOVE THEM. THEY DAMN ROCK.!

Soup Dragon Fan, Thursday, 4 October 2001 00:00 (12 years ago) Permalink

5 months pass...
everything up to and including "head gone astray " (EXCLUDING the slow songs) - completely brilliant.

everything else - utter rubbish.

that is all

kieron, Wednesday, 13 March 2002 01:00 (12 years ago) Permalink

6 years pass...

Just heard Hang-Ten! This is like a perfect blurry and buzzy indie/power pop album. I checked out their other albums, and it's like, what the hell happened to them? All the absolute worst early 90s music trends all smashed together... though it's fun for that kitsch value, I guess.

burt_stanton, Saturday, 20 September 2008 23:49 (6 years ago) Permalink

They were always a decent singles band. And though they were perpetually derided as genre chameleons, their career arc ran eerily parallel to Primal Scream's (who, conversely, were credited as innovators). Not to say thatLovegod had anything on Screamadelica, but it might've if SD had been able to afford/attract the same caliber of producers and collaborators. As far as the Stones are concerned, "I'm Free" owes less to its source (lyrics aside, obv) than "Loaded" does to "No Expectations."

Pillbox, Sunday, 21 September 2008 02:42 (6 years ago) Permalink

1 year passes...

Sean Dixon speaks!

everything, Saturday, 27 March 2010 04:47 (4 years ago) Permalink

everything, Saturday, 27 March 2010 04:49 (4 years ago) Permalink

Are there any plans for a comeback? "God, no chance! That would be kinda naff as they say up in Glasgow. Although a Greatest Hits package is coming this year so maybe an odd acoustic session somewhere," continues Sean.

Because the odd acoustic session is no way kinda naff as they say up in Glasgow.

everything, Saturday, 27 March 2010 04:55 (4 years ago) Permalink

I bought "Mother Universe" on 7" when I was about 10.

village idiot (dog latin), Saturday, 27 March 2010 09:00 (4 years ago) Permalink

These guys played my college in 1993 and they were complete a-holes. I was on the event staff team that set up their green room, and NOTHING was up to par for them. The water, the food, the facilities. Granted, they probably weren't all that happy to be playing in Northern Alabama for an audience full of people who knew one of their songs at best, but we paid them handsomely. They should've just sucked it up and given us a good show. Instead, they just half-assed the whole thing and left the backstage a complete mess.

The other artist that we could've booked? Tori Amos. Nobody else knew who she was except me and one other person on the committee, though.

Johnny Fever, Saturday, 27 March 2010 09:07 (4 years ago) Permalink

Doesn't surprise me. Sean was always known as a diva. The BMX Bandits wrote a song about it actually.

everything, Saturday, 27 March 2010 20:27 (4 years ago) Permalink

1 year passes...

Listening to "Hotwired" right now. I bought it for a dollar. It is pretty bad.

Guayaquil (eephus!), Wednesday, 15 February 2012 22:24 (2 years ago) Permalink

Is he really 41? He must have been 15 or so when those first singles came out.

svend, Wednesday, 15 February 2012 23:13 (2 years ago) Permalink

Is he fuck 41. He's like 48, assuming he went to school with Norman Blake and Duglas Stewart.

everything, Thursday, 16 February 2012 17:30 (2 years ago) Permalink

I just saw the age mentioned in a link up thread and again here.

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/2011/10/26/sean-dickson-of-the-soup-dragons-banned-from-own-mother-s-funeral-86908-23515887/

It didn't seem right.

svend, Thursday, 16 February 2012 17:33 (2 years ago) Permalink

They were a decent band up to the first album. The first couple of (released) singles were genuinely exciting in the context of mid-80s UK indie: real welly to them. Can't Take No More was fun garage rock, and the B-side of Soft as Your Face - It's Always Autumn - was one of the better attempts at pastoral psych of the C86 bands. Where it went wrong was when they started doing everything Primal Scream had done, but three crucial months later, which made them look like complete chancers - the Stooges phase, then the baggy phase …

Viva Brother Beyond (ithappens), Thursday, 16 February 2012 17:42 (2 years ago) Permalink

I still have very fond memories of "Kingdom Chairs"

(thinks and smiles) (DJP), Thursday, 16 February 2012 17:44 (2 years ago) Permalink

To be fair, their Stooges phase was about five years ahead of Primal Scream's. "Backwards Dog" and "Crotchdeep Trash" were from 1989 and "Rocks" didn't come out till '94. The problem is that they got the baggy/stooges phase in the wrong order. They were too early with the heavy stuff and kinda late with the baggy stuff. Also, the baggy stuff wasn't very good of course.

1985-1988 is mostly great though.

everything, Thursday, 16 February 2012 19:12 (2 years ago) Permalink

No, the Scream's Detroit's phase was their second album, when they were doing Ramblin' Rose live, grew their hair and started playing Les Paul's. They got booed at the Creation all-dayer in summer 88 for wearing plaid shirts and playing Imperial as heavy rock. They then went dance then returned to heavy rock.

Here's the lead single for the second album.

Viva Brother Beyond (ithappens), Friday, 17 February 2012 09:10 (2 years ago) Permalink

I'd rep for the 'drummy' version of "Can't take no more" which was the 'second groove' on a 12" single.

Mark G, Friday, 17 February 2012 09:54 (2 years ago) Permalink

That would be kinda naff as they say up in Glasgow

What a fucking diddy as they actually do say up in Glasgow

Charles Kennedy Jumped Up, He Called 'Oh No'. (Tom D.), Friday, 17 February 2012 14:03 (2 years ago) Permalink

I saw them live circa Hang Ten, supported by My Bloody Valentine, who had just released Lovelee Sweet Darlene. Neither were very good, tbh.

bham, Friday, 17 February 2012 17:00 (2 years ago) Permalink

Lovegod has not aged well at all. And I say that as someone who never lost their soft spot for the also-rans of baggy. I do still bump the 12" mix of I'm Free, w/ the extended Junior Reid bit - still very much a jam.

I was lukewarm on This is Our Art & have never heard anything that came before that. I do like me some BMX Bandits, tho!

Jurgis Rudkus // Dick Butkus (Pillbox), Friday, 17 February 2012 17:08 (2 years ago) Permalink

xpost to bham ... I saw them at that time, maybe the same gig. Soup Dragons headlining, the Primitives, MBV and the Hobgoblins at the Hammersmith Clarendon. I really enjoyed it. But I was 16 and I was hardly the most critical audience member imaginable.

Viva Brother Beyond (ithappens), Friday, 17 February 2012 23:16 (2 years ago) Permalink

I too saw that tour and thought both the Soup Dragons and MBV were amazing. This was in Feb of 1987. MBV were actually promoting Sunny Sundae Smile I think, while the Soup Dragons had just released "Head Gone Astray". "Hang Ten" is a compilation album that was not released in the UK till years after this.

everything, Saturday, 18 February 2012 04:24 (2 years ago) Permalink

They did two tours together: Autumn 86 (for Hang Ten! - which was their second released single) then Feb 87, for Head Gone Astray. Same bill except - if I remember rightly - Voice of the Beehive replaced the Primitives.

Viva Brother Beyond (ithappens), Saturday, 18 February 2012 08:40 (2 years ago) Permalink

"Hang Ten" is a single, nur.

Their singles, pre "I'm Free", has massive amounts of packaging (plastic covers, inserts, posters, double-grooves, etc), someone was bankrolling them to be massive weren't they?

Mark G, Saturday, 18 February 2012 10:07 (2 years ago) Permalink

Sun Is in the Sky (unreleased) and Whole Wide World were on Subway - the plastic covers for those were for cheapness - cheap pic foldaround with a plain white sleeve inserted, then stuffed into polythene back - and were a standard model for 80s indies: no glue, no mechanical folding, therefore minimal production costs - whoever ran the label could fold the 14x7 pic inserts in half, wrap them around the plain white sleeve then stuff in the bag. I think in 87 they were signed to Big Life, the mainly dance label set up by Tim Parry and Jazz Summers - big deal management team who undoubtedly did have serious investment for the label.

Viva Brother Beyond (ithappens), Saturday, 18 February 2012 11:46 (2 years ago) Permalink

That first single got pressed up and everything, then the band (presumably mr Issues, as above) stopped it.

Just as well the next one sold so well, considering.

The label boss has/had tried to sell off those 'on the quiet' to make his money back but the band, again, stopped it. Cue a lot of disgruntled mail-order customers (and cue "On Tape" by the Pooh Sticks, and now the weather)

Mark G, Saturday, 18 February 2012 12:35 (2 years ago) Permalink

I did actually buy a copy of the "unreleased" single from Martin Whitehead but it was around 2000 or so, not in 1987.

The Eyeball Of Hull (Colonel Poo), Saturday, 18 February 2012 12:42 (2 years ago) Permalink

Yeah, by then it was probably 'all right' to.

Mark G, Saturday, 18 February 2012 15:50 (2 years ago) Permalink

I used to know Martin, He said one single didn't get sent out. And that one disgruntled punter wrote to the NME. Which published the letter, and he got labelled indie's greatest chancer. Was still aggrieved about it years later. However, he did finally make his money back (and some) when the Soup Dragons finally managed to headline the Brixton Academy. He took his remaining boxes of Sun Is in the Sky and went up and down the queue selling them as the ultimate rarity at a fiver a pop.

Viva Brother Beyond (ithappens), Saturday, 18 February 2012 19:54 (2 years ago) Permalink

lol

martin always seemed like a good dude

the majestic ned? (electricsound), Saturday, 18 February 2012 21:29 (2 years ago) Permalink

... a rarity among indie 'entrepreneurs' of that era, generally the most unscrupulous arseholes on the planet

Charles Kennedy Jumped Up, He Called 'Oh No'. (Tom D.), Sunday, 19 February 2012 13:18 (2 years ago) Permalink

3 months pass...

How great was the original drummer.

MaresNest, Wednesday, 30 May 2012 22:53 (2 years ago) Permalink

8 months pass...

I saw the post about BMX Bandits supposedly having a song about Sean being a diva. This is complete and utter nonsense. I can't even imagine how any of our songs could even be imagined to be about that. Sean is a dear friend. If it wasn't for Sean's initial input and support to me personally there never would have been BMX Bandits plus he co-wrote some of our early songs. More recently Sean played with us at our 25th anniversary show, he features in the BMX Bandits documentary 'Serious Drugs' and he co-wrote and produced a track on our latest album BMX Bandits in Space.

Sean is not a diva and I am very glad and feel lucky that I started my adventures in music with Sean and Norman Blake back in the 1980s.

Duglas BMX, Wednesday, 13 February 2013 01:29 (1 year ago) Permalink

this is unexpected

pfunkboy (Algerian Goalkeeper), Wednesday, 13 February 2013 01:38 (1 year ago) Permalink

hey Duglas, every time i'm passing through Milngavie i always look out for this roadsign

( X '____' )/ (zappi), Wednesday, 13 February 2013 01:46 (1 year ago) Permalink

haha

pfunkboy (Algerian Goalkeeper), Wednesday, 13 February 2013 01:47 (1 year ago) Permalink

I wanna know whats replaced the maternity hospital in Bellshill. Marcello if you're reading this, do you know?

pfunkboy (Algerian Goalkeeper), Wednesday, 13 February 2013 01:48 (1 year ago) Permalink

The BMX Bandits song in question is Star Wars, specifically the final verse. I guess it's a mis-interpretation, so sorry for that, although I don't think I'm the only one who took it that way.

everything, Wednesday, 13 February 2013 07:55 (1 year ago) Permalink

Certainly not if you've ever met Sean.... whoops, zingin' at ya Sean!

Le petit chat est mort (Tom D.), Wednesday, 13 February 2013 11:45 (1 year ago) Permalink

"Calling rivals nasty names,
The music biz is a dirty game,
It doesn't matter what you hear,
All that counts is their careers,
and all the egos of pop stars,
I sit and watch them all go far,
We'll leave this world and run away,
And play our songs in outer space.
...Don't make star wars etc."

everything, Wednesday, 13 February 2013 20:43 (1 year ago) Permalink


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