GIRLS talk (the Lena Dunham thread)

i would rather, and i cannot stress this enough, be stabbed to death pic.twitter.com/XnOKtGCPCh

— i cant drive 2007 (@prophethusband) November 20, 2018

This was one of the dumbest things people got mad at her about iirc

“xpost I can't even touch that she returned her dog to the shelter because that was pretty high on why people don't like her (BARC was my neighborhood shelter).
Yerac, Monday, November 26, 2018 1:20 PM (one hou”

the other line from the profile that really stood out:

She sent a screenshot of a motivational text conversation she’d had with her friend Lady Gaga, who is saved in her contacts as Lady Gaga, not as Stefani.

every time the word "friend" pops up after that, the whole concept is just kind of hanging there

I have plenty of ilxors in my phone under their screen names tbh

xpost some people really liking animals non-shocker.

humblebrag imo xp

eh i mean like the first time you meet lady gaga at some oscar party or something you're probably gonna be like oh we should hang out and exchange numbers and put her in as lady gaga

i have really old friends as ALL CAPS THEIR FIRST NAME because I originally put them in on my old brick nokia

The very fact that this detail was pointed out in the profile as somehow significant or “telling” is symptomatic. America has a weird relationship to Lena Dunham. For some reason people decided they needed to hate her.

People believed that she made up stories about the dog biting her because they hate her for other reasons.

Lena Dunham might have encouraged this but it’s still an uncomfortable dynamic—feels reactionary somehow

xxp all compelling bits of information that might add up to something more once we establish some patterns

This is a person a lot of people decided to publicly call a “child molester” because she wrote about playing doctor as a kid.

She says eye-roll-y things for sure but It’s weird to me (and significantly worse) that people who should know better don’t feel bad about being another person who piles on in the mob.

meh if she was a fella of similar behaviours ye'd be baying for blood

Idk about mr poindexter but that isn’t the case with me, daz

I tend to take a soft line on these kinds of “tone deaf” characters

there are certain ILX posters who aggressively piled on her with the "child molestor" tag, which (for the record) I challenged at the time in no uncertain terms.

fwiw I think she is actually largely oblivious to her failings/shortcomings, she has a strangely myopic worldview that nonetheless occasionally produces good work. also a lot of garbage.

gabbneb isn't exactly wrong here but being a Dunham Defender is so pointedly on brand

fwiw I think she is actually largely oblivious to her failings/shortcomings

yeah it's not really a mystery

might have encouraged this but it’s still an uncomfortable dynamic

if you're saying that by continuing to engage with Dunham material we're all part of her ongoing project, then yes, I agree

I just had to re-review this particular dog issue but it wasn't the biting but that she was embellishing some kind of troubled past for the dog as the reason why she had to give it up. Plus people would side with BARC on this since they have been in the neighborhood forever.

It would likely really really suck to have two nyc artists for parents.

An incomplete list of things Dunham has been asked to apologize for: the nondiverse casting on Girls; casting Donald Glover as a black Republican boyfriend the season after she got in trouble for having an all-white cast; saying in an interview, “No one would be calling me a racist if they knew how badly I wanted to fuck Drake”; declaring herself “thin for, like, Detroit”; writing a New Yorker essay called “Dog or Jewish Boyfriend? A Quiz”; constantly being naked; tweeting a photo of herself wearing a scarf around her head like a hijab; accusing a Spanish magazine of airbrushing her photos (it did not); comparing Bill Cosby to the Holocaust; giving Horvath a brown baby at the end of Girls (and casting a baby that was Puerto Rican and Haitian, not half-Pakistani, as the script dictated); comparing the reading of negative Jezebel coverage to getting beaten in the face by an abusive husband; accusing NFL player Odell Beckham Jr. of not wanting to sleep with her; saying she disliked India because of the visible poverty; apologizing but never learning.

she rules

The three standalone episodes that I really love (Hannah daydreaming about a bourgeois future, the creepy writer she interviews, Marnie and her junkie ex) make me pine for a Girls with no Judd Apatow involvement.

What’s a gabneb? Is it from the time a lot of you would have posts with cool lingo like “teh” and “captain save-a”

Is being a piece of shit Milo z.’s brand?

she's basically the real life version of one of the seinfeld sitcom characters

She’s definitely a little insufferable but also somewhat talented and charming. Obviously unsuited to be the “face of feminism” but she didn’t ask for that and it mostly seems like conservatives who want to tag her as that. As a face of millennial brooklynites.... idk it kind of fits.

― Trϵϵship, Monday, November 26, 2018 4:00 PM (two hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I really don't think it's conservatives fault Lena Dunham became the "face" of anything, liberals have very much pushed that idea. She spoke at the DNC!

that is a great list she does rule

Tbf she spoke in the afternoon w a bunch of celebrities like Elizabeth Banks etc it wasn’t exactly a prime time spotlight

Also she shouldn’t be that toxic a property. She said some stuff that wasn’t fully woke, then apologized, I am honestly not willing to cast the first stone here. The garish dresses she would wear during the campaign that said HILLARY all over were pretty funny though, given what a lightning rod of controversy she is.

gabbneb isn't exactly wrong here but being a Dunham Defender is so pointedly on brand

― louise ck (milo z), Monday, November 26, 2018 4:00 PM (eighteen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

pls stop confusing me by making me believe gabbneb is back. nerdstrom isn’t THAT bad ffs

fwiw I think she is actually largely oblivious to her failings/shortcomings, she has a strangely myopic worldview that nonetheless occasionally produces good work. also a lot of garbage.

― Οὖτις, Monday, November 26, 2018 2:59 PM (nineteen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

this is everyone on earth yknow

that is a great list she does rule

― old yeller-at-clouds (darraghmac), Monday, November 26, 2018 6:16 PM (three minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

casting the wrong race of baby too perfect lol

she couldn't even get her OWN character's ethnicity correct!

Thot every1 knew she did molest her kid sister wth

wth wht?

wudk???

endless articles about her and white woman feminism. I think a lot of groups, especially right now, don't want to be associated with her.

Apparently she shared the stage in a co-speech with Ugly Betty star America Ferrera. Who could forget

the "molested her sister" thing is for 4chan teens bud

girls was good. lena dunham is a too broadly drawn caricature of white liberal feminism

from her book:

‘As she grew, I took to bribing her time and affection: one dollar in quarters if I could do her makeup like a “motorcycle chick.” Three pieces of candy if I could kiss her on the lips for five seconds. Whatever she wanted to watch on TV if she would just “relax on me.” Basically, anything a sexual predator might do to woo a small suburban girl, I was trying.’

i believe lena was either 14 or 16 at the time, her little sister is 6 years younger

can we stop misgendering Grace Dunham while we're relitigating this

this is so fucking stupid

I hate the 2010s

best years of my life tbqh

I don't hate her, I think she is a talented but underbaked writer and i probably just wouldn't have given her another thought for at least the rest of 2018 had this thread not been bumped. But I don't think there's any doubt that she gets a disproportionate amount of media attention compared to the sliver of her generation, or any other, that actually gives a shit about her let alone thinks she's some kind of avatar, and that's not just because conservatives made her a target.

Social media is not her friend.

social media is mob justice that brought trump to power

Oh, I meant her oversharing on social media is not helping her health.

probably, yeah.

i just meant i am fatigued with the current impulse to divide the righteous from the wicked all the time. she is just an individual person in my mind. critique her, sure, but the failures of like, all privileged feminists shouldn't be hung around her neck all the time. this kind of censure bothers me. you get to a ridiculous situation where people are ready to believe anything about someone, even that she molested her sister, because she made some offensive comments about odell beckham once.