Is this anti-semitism?

it might be worth noting in M MacMillan's Versailles treaty book that the Welsh "grand wizard" DLG is repeatedly on the transcript as casually dropping the n bomb and comes across as much more racist than Clemenceau or Wilson.

Fatherland of My Fathers

are they locking the door in addition to having a guard or as a replacement? how are people going to get in who come late?

No guard (though we've always had one at high holidays), a congregant will be assigned to man the door and let latecomers in (like me)

Jewish Republicans are fucking delusional

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2018/11/06/republicans-attack-jewish-candidates-across-us-with-an-age-old-caricature-fistfuls-cash/?utm_term=.afc15148e0a8

otm, they gross me out

as do these gross ads obviously

well I guess I have to talk w my kid about the Pittsburgh shooting, since it looks like they are going to bring it up at hebrew school tomorrow

Unless they can start showing a lot of non-Jewish dems attacked with the same imagery, I'll draw my conclusions. Also, GOP tends to go after other ethnicities with, um, other kinds of ads https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2018/09/12/nrcc-faces-backlash-over-attack-ad-against-democratic-candidate-former-rapper-antonio-delgado/?utm_term=.4cc0a7fbd5b4

Sounds like the policy at our temple, at least for the immediate time being, is to lock the doors pretty much at all times, with someone stationed by them to let people in and out. But I think they're looking into finding some sort of balanced security policy going forward, devised in conjunction with JUF, Homeland Security, ADL, and local police.

Apparently a couple of instances of hate crime graffiti at our local high school. N-word, backwards swastika, etc.

OK, would love our opinion on this. My daughter just came home from high school, where they had an emergency assembly on a second incident of racist and anti-Semitic graffiti, probably the same asshole. N-word stuff, a swastika, gas the Jews. But she said the assembly was all about the racism and didn't mention the anti-semitism, which really bothered her. As she said, a lot of the student speakers were black and they thanked the white kids that stood with them in solidarity, but she thought to herself, wait a minute, I'm white but I'm also Jewish, and no one is speaking sympathetically to me or forcefully for me. She had also observed last week to me that when there is a mass shooting everyone at school talks about it, but when there was a mass shooting that targeted Jews no one said anything. Jews are such a small percentage of the student body that they're practically invisible and apparently not taken into consideration as a persecuted minority. I told her to put down her thoughts into a letter to send to the school, and also to bring these issues up at the next meeting of her Jewish student union (aka Jew Club).

white supremacists/Nazis do not consider Jews "white" and sometimes other non-white people need to be reminded of this.

I think your course of action is the correct one

My first thought was that I'd probably write a letter as a concerned parent, but I think it's even more powerful coming from her.

Principal and cc school board imo

i was pretty shocked to see the numbers here particularly re millennials https://www.newsweek.com/one-third-americans-dont-believe-6-million-jews-were-murdered-during-holocaust-883513

(not asking if it's anti-semitic)

"Almost half (45 percent) of Americans were unable to name a single concentration camp, and the number was even worse for millennials (49 percent). Two-thirds (66 percent) of millennials were unable to explain what Auschwitz was."

Isn’t Newsweek basically a newsletter for some Dominionist psycho at this point?

According to a study from last year, 20% of French people aged 18-34 have never heard of the holocaust. That said, wording might be a factor (were they asked about the holocaust or the Shoah? the latter term is generally preferred in France).

i probably shouldn't be so surprised i've watched those those late night host makes fun of dumb americans by asking them questions clips

i saw this one where they asked ppl to name and point to a country on a map of the world and they couldn't even name the united states

That happens everywhere tbh.

12% of Austrians aged 18-34 are also apparently unaware that it ever happened... I'm not trying to exonerate Americans but it seems like a generational trend.

yeah, so maybe it should be glass half full - 1/3rd of millennials know what auschwitz was

I find that profoundly depressing.

The Diary of Anne Frank should be a set text in every grade school in America (it was in mine).

we read Anne Frank and Exodus, discussed the holocaust at length and watched Shoah in my 10th grade English class (1985-86, St Paul MN)

It's possible that the range of options is partly influencing the responses in this case. If you don't know the answer, you might guess somewhere in the middle.

"Approximately how many Jews were killed during the Holocaust?"

20 million
6 million
2 million
1 million
100,000
25,000
Other
Not sure

I think post-Anschluss Austria was a much deadlier part of the reich for Jews than Germany from books I've read. And like in Germany, plenty of their worst genocidal scum got away with it scot free and became the fabric of the new postwar establishment.

the most dangerous parts of europe were parts entirely outside the german legal system (snyder's bloodlands is about this), places like poland and ukraine

in occupied countries there were sometimes level of resistance to the liquidation agenda and within germany and austria there were still german laws that excised a sort of restraint. that's why all the death camps are in poland and babi yar in ukraine -- they were state free zones where anything would go

oh yeah it wasn't like the mass bloodletting of the wild east where full capacity stadium levels of death on daily basis was the norm. But i can recall reading that as a percentage of population a lot more Austrian Jews were murdered than German and arguably Austrian antisemitism was much more deeply entrenched than in Germany- as ridic as that sounds. But I'm just commenting on what other commentators have said here ftr.

i've read that romania was so violently antisemitic they even shocked the germans who came to supervise

arendt: "In Rumania even the S.S. were taken aback, and occasionally frightened, by the horrors of oldfashioned, spontaneous pogroms on a gigantic scale; they often intervened to save Jews from sheer butchery, so that the killing could be done in what, according to them, was a civilized way."

This seems like a better question as far as gauging denialist sentiment:

Which of the following statements comes closest to your views about the Holocaust in Europe during World War Two?

The Holocaust happened, and the number of Jews who died in it have been fairly described 83% 65%
The Holocaust happened, but the number of Jews who died in it has been greatly exaggerated 9% 11%
The Holocaust is a myth and did not happen 1% 1%
Not sure 7% 23%

i.e. 11% of millennials think the numbers have been greatly exaggerated.

xxp
oh yeah leading SS ppl were saying this Antonescu chap was giving genocide a bad name by blatantly doing it right in front of his poplace.

I think when people talk about Austrian anti-semitism they often refer to this guy: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karl_Lueger

in the context of this convo, the weirdest thing to me about the eastern territories is Bulgaria. Like, why was p much every other country in the region filled with rabid anti-semites at worst and casual (or indifferent) anti-semites at best but then oh hey here's this one random exception.

yeah that newsweek article is kind of misleading -- if you asked me how many people died in the Sino-Japanese war I'd get the number grossly wrong, but that doesn't mean I "don't believe" in the number of deaths that actually happened.

(xp) Ottoman Empire perhaps?

Ottoman Empire covered Hungary and Romania too

I think Bulgaria was in the Ottoman Empire for much longer though - that's an educated guess though.

Antonescu was oddly lenient when it came to Romanian Jews he viewed as 'assimilated'. By 1942, after countless pogroms carried out in Moldova and Transnistria, he refused to deport the remaining Jewish population to Poland. He was a two-faced genocidal psychopath who also protected 'his' Jews when it suited him. Anyway, most Romanians who haven't emigrated (and some of those who have) continue to spread vaguely antisemitic 'wisdom' within the community and are generally indifferent to the role our country played in the Holocaust, when they don't outright deny it. I get the sense that this is fairly common in Eastern Europe, perhaps because we tend to suffer from a titanic inferiority complex.

Bulgaria ceded loads of territory after Paris '19 and came out a definite loser. yeah so maybe their Ottoman Empire days (when they were a classic "melting pot") are seen as a golden era? Fuck knows.

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watched Shoah in my 10th grade English class (1985-86)

Is that how long it took your class to watch it?

the most dangerous parts of europe were parts entirely outside the german legal system

'The Anatomy of Fascism' talks about this too, how fascism was increasingly radicalised in the lawless regions, moving it to it's conclusion in the holocaust in Poland (iirc).

i know some teachers whose post-millenial students share sort of anti-semitic memes on social media (ostensibly anti-"zionist" but infused with classic anti-semitic themes) and are probably into "light" holocaust denialism.

wtf world?

(is "post-millenial" what we're calling them btw?)

honestly if i had a student like that... yeah i dunno.

gen z

gen (Na)z

every new generation name just sounds like some cyberpunk novel from the '80s.

xxxp hopefully you'd educate them