2008 Primaries Thread

The O'Hare panhandle.

Look at the little poof ball in the northeast!

I imagine a FL map would look much the same, except Clinton would probably have the Jacksonville corner too.

ruh roh:

Pawlenty to attend Munich security conference with McCain

http://news.postbulletin.com/newsmanager/templates/localnews_story.asp?a=326831&z=16

I will never be happy until we get Sen Rodham out of the Senate, Cabinet, Chappaqua Chamber of Commerce, etc.

you will never be happy

I will never be happy until we get Sen Rodham out of the Senate, Cabinet, Chappaqua Chamber of Commerce, etc.

Fixed.

XPOST dammit

I'll give you this, Morbs, you're dogged, but I fear you're doomed to a lot of unhappiness.

I only bothered posting that since so many responses were similar.

Dennis Perrin supplies my tsk-tsk glee at the illusion of Democrat dynamism:

Of course, part of assembling the New Tomorrow is staking out permissible boundaries of discussion. Stanley Fish in the New York Times recently instructed us on the proper way to critique Hillary, assuming one must critique her at all. Party apparatchiks like Jane Hamsher immediately waved Fish's decree around, lest the poor, undefended Senator from New York suffer more sexist abuse from powerful, dark forces. Because if you despise Hillary Clinton, especially if you're male, all you're really showing is your fear of strong women. Conversely, if you distrust Saint Obama, and fail to fall to your knees as his rhetoric takes flight, you might be racist, or simply cynical and empty, incapable of understanding this spiritual moment in time.

Got it? Good. There'll be more lessons as the initial crusade winds down, culminating in the Denver coronation, where all doubts will be erased, all anxiety soothed, and the final, united march to the Promised Land begins. Aren't y'all excited?!

http://dennisperrin.blogspot.com/2008/02/please-turn-to-page-44-in-your-hymnal.html

Hypothetically, if Obama were to be the candidate, what, if anything, would you like HRC to do in his administration, ideally? Should she remain in the Senate or would she be a good member of the cabinet

I'm with Morbz - Clintons out of US gov't plz

Actually, one conviction out of the many Clinton '80s/90s scandals could take HRC out of NY politics. After release, she could re-enter the fray in Chicago where she belongs!

Also, while this will be mostly ignored, the caucus this Saturday in Washington will involve Republicans too. Except only half of the total WA GOP delegates will be counted. The other half will be drawn from the WA Primary on Feb 19th.

WHY the GOP here decided this was a good idea, i have no fucking clue, but unsurprisingly, I'm not really saddened by this at all.

The one wild and crazy guy who might peep his head out this Saturday though:

http://www.rense.com/1.imagesH/paulheart_dees.jpg

Shakey, I respect you and Morbs' antipathy for her, even if i don't entirely share it, but she's arguably not the worst Democratic Senator, has the ear of powerful moderate to conservative forces in the party and if Obama ever were to be elected President, he'd have to deal with the world as it is, not as it should be, and I think he's smart enough to prefer her in his tent, pissing out than outside, pissing in.

Ron should just go ahead and dress up colonial style, with a wig. Can't hurt him any.

or simply cynical and empty

yeah the guy who wrote that piece is not cynical at all, no sir

realistic.

Paul has been endorsed by ... Howard Stern and Krist Novoselic.

Founding Fathers: With You Always

Actually Krist Novoselic endorsed Obama.

i'm endorsing courtney love

Ron should just go ahead and dress up colonial style, with a wig. Can't hurt him any.

That will probably majorly help him here, seriously, as I think many people who are Ron Paul fanatics are also fanatics of Tim Eyman (Washington state anti-tax icon / asswart) Eyman has dressed up as Darth Vader at the Capitol to publicize his annual round of ass-initiatives. And he still wins them on a semi-regular basis.

Paul has been endorsed by ... Howard Stern and Krist Novoselic.

Novoselic endorsed Obama, although he once donated to some Ron Paul rally in the past, hence why it was initially reported as an endorsement of Paul.

latinos voting for a clinton over a black guy? preposterous!

(sorry, with regards to the irritating duh-ness of this

)

he'd have to deal with the world as it is, not as it should be

You're lapsing into Tim Russert style polarities.

man, watching the democrats destroy themselves would be funny if it weren't so fucking depressing

God, I saw some comment on an OC paper thread last week where someone speculated that rich housewifes were "paying those damn illegals to vote for Clinton" or something. Ned, does this sound familiar?

except that isn't what's happening? it's a primary. xp

Alfred, if either candidate wins the White House, they'll have to be very careful about being gracious to the other, imho, to avoid pissing off the other's core constituencies.

The Dems "destroying themselves" looks like a polite game of cricket compared to the GOP right now -- stressing "right now".

Heather, heather, heather...

the democrats are not destroying themselves. if you ignore the grumpies on the thread, you'd realize we have two pretty good candidates! certainly much better than kerry.

God, I saw some comment on an OC paper thread last week where someone speculated that rich housewifes were "paying those damn illegals to vote for Clinton" or something. Ned, does this sound familiar?

It doesn't, but as I could probably wander down to Corona del Mar and randomly record anyone on the street saying similar, I'm hardly surprised.

And yeah, Dems destroying themselves? Compared to the GOP hoohah today? (And I stress, 'today' only.) Consider this if you dare -- especially the comments. Just one example of tons right this second.

I agree w/ Mr Que, sort of. I don't think any candidate in either party is very remarkable, but I won't have any compunction about voting for either of them against a Republican.

that map might illustrate the demographic breakdown of a major metro area, but I think it's more useful to look at an entire State. Illinois is Obamaland, yes (and Hillaryland of sorts), but I think it's interesting that he won most of the Northern and Central small-town and rural areas, while she won the more Southern-identified tier.

Michael, were you ever alive to feel that we had a remarkable presidential candidate ever? Asking earnestly.

has dennis perrin actually stated some reasons for not supporting hillary except that people -- stan fish, if you totally misread him -- say it's sexist not to. or not to support obama, except that people -- unnamed, unquoted -- say it's racist not to?

there are good critiques out there, from the left, from wherever, of these two candidates, but d. perrin isn't making them, at all. no, he's not realistic, and neither are you. this endless bill maher crabbyathon is totally self-indulgent, and as crowd-driven as all the 'sheep' he thinks he's better than. "mommy hillary" and "saint obama" haw! zing! got 'em there!! except nobody anywhere actually thinks those things, or is voting for those reasons.

OMG, Ned, that link is GOLD:

Just a small sampling!

On February 6th, 2008 at 11:32 am, Renee_VA said:
Still not voting for Shmanesty McCain. Actually thinking about voting for Obama just to help start the process of:

1. cleaning out the party so they can decide what is is they actually stand for

or

2. officially becoming Independent and looking at third party options from here on out (no more Republican voting here)

#3On February 6th, 2008 at 11:33 am, MTNEER said:
As an Arizonan familiar with Johnny’s record, I will vote in November for the down ballot conservative candidates and write in the name of a true conservative for president.

#4On February 6th, 2008 at 11:33 am, One_American said:
It feels like the Republican Party has been hijacked…by liberals and the liberal media.

#5On February 6th, 2008 at 11:36 am, PaleoMedic said:
I took small comfort in seeing Colorado go to Romney. We had a huge turnout at our caucus, and while I think the caucus should go the way of the dinosaur, it was an interesting evening. Our precinct’s straw poll went Romney - 32, Paul - 17, and McCain - 1. the disctrict was just as strongly for Romney.

That said, getting home and seeing the results nationwide was not unexpected but still deflating as hell. Most annoying was the Huckabee effect in the east and south as the evangelicals refused to vote for “one o’ them there Mormon fellas.”

Obama's baiting Bill Clinton, trying to hang the loss of Democratic governors, senators, and representatives during the Clinton presidency around his neck as evidence of the Clintons' being politically divisive.

http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/02/obama_directly_attacks_bills_p.php

It's a strange world out there, Mackro. Threw up a few more links similar to that in my muttered thoughts on yesterday. If you REALLY want to boggle/fear/laugh, 'enjoy' the folly that is Polipundit.

Right now I'm waiting on what happens at CPAC tomorrow. That should be a doozy. Sadly, No! is supposed to be reporting on it as it happens.

"mommy hillary" and "saint obama"...nobody anywhere actually thinks those things, or is voting for those reasons.

Are you familiar with college students, lib bloggers, or whoever those People in the Street are found every week by NPR?

okay so who actually won more delegates yesterday, C or O? (two numbers would be nice - one w/ super-d's and one without) i keep reading different things.

Are you familiar with college students, lib bloggers, or whoever those People in the Street are found every week by NPR?

well you clearly aren't.

ahh maybe i read that clinton's ahead overall w/ delegates but that obama won more delegates on 2/5?

Delegates are still being counted, too, although the estimates look like Obama won more yesterday.

morbius are there any active politicians you like or respect? what are the policy goals you want a new president to enact?

CNN is reporting that Obama is ahead in the total delegate count (altho in terms of yesterday's primaries, Clinton won more than he did). I haven't seen anything refuting that?

Michael, were you ever alive to feel that we had a remarkable presidential candidate ever? Asking earnestly.

Jefferson-Adams?

Have there been any recent polls for LA, NE, WA, ME, DC, MD, and VA?