funky house sceptics, let me draw your attention to this

Stomper is a weird one for me - it has that awkward, fruity-loops feel that makes it sound a lot more like grime than most funky... I like that as an ingredient, but when it dominates the recipe I'm not so sure. Tracks that balance this sound with sexier stuff appeal more to me...

Do you like "Leader" Jacob?

Are you talking about "Leader" by Fuzzy Logik?? I've been hearing this track about, first heard DJ Pioneer playing it, then Supa D, Marcus Nasty and now im hearing it everywhere i go, absolutely brilliant! Fuzzy Logik has some real quality tracks about at the min. Definetly one to watch out for reppin the uk funky. http://www.myspace.com/flogik

"Leader" is great. Very pure distillation of the sound I think. Bass sounds in funky are interesting, I think. They go for loud bass, but with a very smooth undistorted sound that kind of backgrounds it a lot more than we're used to in UK dance music...

Yeah I was thinking the same thing Jacob! Like, the MC might mention something about "watch for the bass" but it's this really subtle low-end that is hard to pick up on radio/mp3. So different from bassline (where the bassline is the melody).

It reminds me a bit of early 2-step actually: only a couple of producers like Steve Gurley and Groove Chronicles/El-B were into really prominent basslines, which is why they get namechecked by dubstep fans so much. Everyone had bass in their tracks but it wasn't necessarily leaping out at you - on a track like "Re-Rewind" the bass is quite subtle.

Then Wookie and Zed Bias really popularised big basslines, and by late 2000 it was pretty rare to come across tracks that didn't have a big bassline interlude.

Diamond ft Gappy Ranx – Champagne Dance (Dub)

^ not only ace, but a good demonstration of how fast this scene is moving groove-wise. How is this remotely house?

Tawiah - Every Step (Arms Remix)

^ Fabulous, melodramatic, hyper-syncopated R&B-ish funky house tune (Arms is a pretty amazing producer) with "Mandarine Girl"/"In White Rooms"-style staggering trancey synth chords as an added bonus.

Arms' myspace has a streaming version.

Nice one, I knew broken beat might still have some part to play in the future of London's music. Nice to see that influence in with a bunch of other interesting stuff.

Now if only could buy this.

Tawiah - Every Step (Arms Remix)

^ Fabulous, melodramatic, hyper-syncopated R&B-ish funky house tune (Arms is a pretty amazing producer) with "Mandarine Girl"/"In White Rooms"-style staggering trancey synth chords as an added bonus.

-- Tim F, Saturday, June 7, 2008 12:19 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Link

argh this stuff needs to start coming out on vinyl
the groove on this is so great - i really wish i had been trained as a drummer with a lot of this stuff so i could identify whats going on with the rhythms here. that skittering snare is the best

I think the Tawiah one might be released actually - the original track is R&B/rock fusion somewhat like Jamelia's "Something About You".

Deej did you ever hear any of the "R&G" stuff ("rhythm & grime") from about three/four years ago?

Not all of it was hot but some of the rhythmic programming on the best stuff was mindblowing, like KT Pearl's "Mr DJ" - top track!

But otherwise (as I said at the top of the thread) the really interesting rhythms in funky house remind me a bit of that period of UK Garage circa 2001 where it had started to abandon proper 2-step, had yet to get to the Pulse X stage, and was taking most of its rhythmic ideas in the meantime from the Caribbean - James Lavonz's "Mash Up Da Venue", TJ Cases' "One By One" the Bump & Flex Dancehall Dub of Cleptomaniacs' "All I Do", the London Dodgers' "Down Down Biznizz"... As this is some of my favourite music ever I'm very pleased. In fact if funky house goes in the direction I want it to (which remains to be seen - astonishing how many of the scene's big DJs are stuck in a soulful house rut - a pleasant rut to be sure, but a rut nonetheless when compared to the sound Marcus Nasty is pushing) it'll basically be going where I had hoped UK Garage would go had "Pulse X" and "Oi!" not emerged and changed the direction of the scene entirely.

(basically my version of rockism is to cast all music in a "destruction of Eden" narrative with 2-step as Eden)

Can I self-indulgently note that few big-ups have pleased me more than Marcus Nasty and Crazi Cousinz both linking my article on their myspace pages.

are there any pirate mixes floating around?

Go to Marcus Nasty's homepage Tricky - www.myspace.com/marcusnasty

The best one to start with is the Deja Vu FM show from late March with Quincy and Shanti on the mic.

The show with Rankin and Shanti is very good also.

'sous le soleil' needs a funky house remix

or like ... 'libre' by mambana

Was pleased to note (in line with predictions I had made) that a decent UK funky house DJ set from DJ Smoothie T included both "Calabria 2007" and "Work"

That mix is downloadable from his myspace - a good overview of the scene with "Bongo Jam", "Devil In A Blue Dress", "Make Your Move", "Tell Me", Geeneus's "I Tried", Roska's "Feeline", "Do You Mind", Diamond's "Champagne Dance", TNT's "Take It Low" (love this one - "Up/down/roundanownanow..."), Marcus Nasty's big instrumental dubplates, and a couple of ace tracks I'm not familiar with, including a marvellous smoov-but-secretly-ruff remix of Floetry by TNT which is like the funky house equivalent of "Sincere" or TJ Cases's "Dedicated To Love".

I wonder if this is the same TNT as the UK garage producer who did "Easy Lovin' You"...

Hey Tim, any idea what the track after Champagne Dance on the Smoothie T mix is? The Footloose remix of who exactly?

The one with the big horns and the electrofunk synths that sounds a bit like old Ruff Sqwad?

Hell, it even reminds me a little of Jammer's old beats, only at what 128 bpm?

This stuff really is like the best parts of early grime and weird late 2-step except not in the 138 bpm region. Which is a good thing by me.

I want to try mixing this stuff with some older slower speed garage and see how it sounds.

For those who're interested, UKrecordshop and Rhythm Division have some vinyl you can order online, including "Tell me", "Do you mind", "Segalizer" and "Mr Bean". That seems to be pretty much all there is around on vinyl...

Thank you, its been awhile since I've ordered anything from the UK.

Couldn't afford to keep up with dubstep at the pound to dollar exchange rate.

Looks like its time to eat some Ramen again!

xxpost - I don't know that track! It's great though - yeah very Ruff Sqwad. Infuriating how Smoothie T says "You all know this one!"

I have heard that female vocal before: "You're in the club/getting down/shake that bottle/spray it round round round."

Oh no that's from "Champagne Dance" (previous duck) duh. The track we're talking about has the Lady Saw style vocals.

For those who're interested, UKrecordshop and Rhythm Division have some vinyl you can order online, including "Tell me", "Do you mind", "Segalizer" and "Mr Bean". That seems to be pretty much all there is around on vinyl...

-- J@cob, Tuesday, June 10, 2008 2:59 AM (14 hours ago) Bookmark Link

!!! thnx man

would love to know if that arms rmx ever gets vinyl release ;D

Deej did you ever hear any of the "R&G" stuff ("rhythm & grime") from about three/four years ago?

Not all of it was hot but some of the rhythmic programming on the best stuff was mindblowing, like KT Pearl's "Mr DJ" - top track!

yeah i was into a lot of this stuff, i think its more alienating than two step or funky house for american audiences tho

maybe not tho, im listening to 'mr dj' again and i could see it working ... it doesnt really fit in w/ the vibe i go for tho, a little too much dramatic seriousness where my thing has been drifting towards laid back/summery like cali rap and mid 90s r&b, that lonyo track, a little balaeric, etc

Yeah very different vibe to that!

Do you know the Wookie remix of Gabrielle's "Sunshine" deej? Definition of laidback 2-step.

I think if I heard "Champagne Dance" out of context I would think it was an R&G track (what confused me re siah alan's question above is that I think this sounds a bit like Ruff Sqwad too...).

Do you all like that "Old school love" track? Fits with your eden narrative Tim...

The dub version of Sunshine is still my favorite 2-step track.

Weird, I never picked up a copy, really need to get on that.

I almost thought that there was another track between Champagne Dance and the next one with the female vocals, maybe its just the intro, I was pretty tired when I wrote my last post.

The one with "Don't... you... want... to... be... my.. baby"

Anyways, Footloose = badman in my estimation.

http://www.myspace.com/djfootlooseuk

His myspace give my computer a migraine though.

I worked it out: it's a remix of Ear Dis' "I Feel".

Ear Dis is Arms and one other guy. The original is pretty ace too - classy but rhythmically screwy broken beat pop, like a ruffer Vikter Dupleix.

I wonder if broken beat producers will invade this scene. Certainly Zed Bias should.

Agree re Footloose, I also love his remix of Che'Nelle's "Hurry Up".

What's the "old skool love" track jacob?

This far and yet no mention of "Daddy-O"?

It's a song all about the 'old days' of 2-step, namechecks lots of songs and then goes on about how the singer wants some 'old school love'. Sounds almost like Craig David...

Crazi Cousinz, Paleface and Scratcha all playing it I think.

Need to check that.

Tadow's "Rising Sun" (took me ages to ID this one) is probably the best track (or one of the best) for MCs to ride owing to those 8-bar style switches between the latin piano chords and the throbbing bass sections - works best if pitched up slightly. Anyway I'm mentioning it because there's an insane remix of it that's totally on a fucked up technicolour grime tip. Invasion Records running things right now...

Siegbran, I've only heard a bassline version of "Daddy O" - it's great though. Is there a funky version?

Soul Seekerz mix is the funky one, there's also your Fedde Le Grand-style fart-bass version (Micky Slim) and an oldskool UKG version by 187 Lockdown.

"Soul Seekerz mix is the funky one" - this means "funky" in the typical, non Marcus Nasty sense, right? We're not talking grimy synths and soca beats I assume.

But I'm excited by the notion of the return of 187 Lockdown.

Also, Wideboys back into the R&G as well.

Ha ha, Wideboys are always so accomodating with their different remixes:

1 Snowflake (Wideboys Original Club Mix) (3:50)
Remix - Wideboys*
2 Snowflake (Wideboys House Mix) (5:55)
Remix - Wideboys*
3 Snowflake (Future Freakz Remix) (6:34)
Remix - Future Freakz
4 Snowflake (Wideboys Bumpy Mix) (6:12)
Remix - Wideboys*
5 Snowflake (Wideboys Dutty Bass Mix) (4:54)
Remix - Wideboys*
6 Snowflake (4/4 Organ Mix) (4:26)
7 Snowflake (Wideboys Up Norf Big Booty Bassline Mix) (5:24)
Remix - Wideboys*
8 Snowflake (Wideboys R&G Mix) (2:47)

still trying to ID some tracks:

1) On that classic Marcus Nasty set with Rankin and Quincy, the R&G-ish track with the vocals "Ohhh, I want you oh so close, I wanted you to know, that you are takin' over, over me."

2) A track that samples Jagged Edge singing "rolling down the lonely highway asking God to please forgive me..." with piano and fabulous mechanical percussion,

now jamming: bongo jam

-- The Reverend, Sunday, May 11, 2008 9:35 PM (1 month ago) Bookmark Link

related: lol
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/mcconaughey1.html

http://patternloader.wordpress.com/2008/06/13/we-like-it-funky/

Thats building off of recent discussion at Dissensus and this thread, any thoughts would be appreciated.

Anyone care that DJ Bossman has become DJ Perempay, purveyor of high quality Funky house with a minimal influence?

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=167597324

He's got some good mixes up on his blog.

Yo Alan I liked your piece a lot but I don't see why funky house abandons "forward" as a principle, at least relative to dubstep (unless you literally mean "FWD>").

Producers like Roska are at least almost as rhythmically inventive as Mala's best work surely? And have had a lot less time in which to prove themselves (compare/contrast the body of amazing grooves in dubstep circa 2002 with funky house circa 2008 and who wins??? Funky house obv)

Yeah, I think the problem with that piece is that there seem to be two currents within the UK scene right now.

One seems to be pushing towards experimentalism and using the same sonic palette as grime, and the other is towards the same kind of sonic conservatism we were talking about in the other thread.

I was reacting against that more than against people like Mentor Roska or Apple (who is beating Shackleton at his own game) or even some of Geeneus' stuff.

And I'm still getting around the fact that I now agree with all those producers who gave up on dubstep, house is more rewarding in the long run.

Just wish Zed Bias would start making this stuff, it would fit perfectly with his broken beat production work.

Its funny Mala has referred to some of his earliest production work as kind of weird skippy broken house. I wonder what he thinks of this scene, or if he's even aware of it.

Apparently he's going to be playing at the Berghain in a couple of weeks, I wonder how a man who appears to be a devout Rastafarian (sweetest guy I've ever met as well) is going to handle the atmosphere in there.

Mala is everything that's right about dubstep.

Musically I mean, I don't even know what he looks like!

i don't "get" this music yet. should i start with supa d's mix on rinse? or is there something free i should check out first? looking at myspace gives me a headache. ..