Hard to see how putting I dunno Smalling or Cahill or ShawX in there would have helped.
― Matt DC, Wednesday, 11 July 2018 23:09 (five years ago) link
too easy to say that theyd have won both headers! but even in the first half walker and stones were blind/short passing themselves into trouble.
theres more than maguire had earned a shot in a 3 and theyre ahead of the lads in your post above on merit (even just on the merit of havent been proven not to work, at least).
dyou think dele was a) injured all tournament or b) is not very good lately, and especially without eg eriksen?
not sure england alli is england level tbh.
― dele alli my bookmarks (darraghmac), Wednesday, 11 July 2018 23:23 (five years ago) link
There were plenty of occasions last night where Walker was there, outpacing the Croatia attackers and able to get to the ball ahead of them, snuffing out the attack in the process. I thought the back three in general moved the ball around well under pressure and helped turn defence into attack. Its significant that England didn't really resort to just lumping it upfield at any point.We needed high ball playing defenders because what England transparently lack are central midfielders capable of moving the ball around quickly under pressure and really controlling the game, let alone a playmaker or anyone capable of playing a really incisive final pass. An energetic but limited player like Henderson was hopelessly overworked and I don't think Alli had a very good tournament. Sterling's final ball was often bad but he was England's best attacking outlet and they were blunted when he went off. Croatia were struggling to deal with him.
― Matt DC, Thursday, 12 July 2018 06:41 (five years ago) link
ts significant that England didn't really resort to just lumping it upfield at any point.
breaking character to say, eh, that's what they did for the entire game. even when they were playing well. if you did a stastical analysis of pickford's kickouts i'd say he had about 30 and played 28 of them long, as long as possible. in the first half england bypassed midfield and pressed croatia's defence into having to lump it past midfield also.
i thought walker had a poor game. sterling looked extremely dangerous first-half but he makes such consistently awful decisions on the ball he might as well be aidan mcgeady sometimes. got that maddening thing where he shoots the time he should pass then next time passes the time he should shoot to make up for it.
― FernandoHierro, Thursday, 12 July 2018 07:16 (five years ago) link
Pickford's the exception there I think, his distribution was extremely wasteful - TBH I don't really have any major arguments with Southgate's tactics or starting XI decisions, it's more about the players who aren't there because they just don't exist in this country.
― Matt DC, Thursday, 12 July 2018 07:19 (five years ago) link
OTM about that particular habit of Sterling's though.
― Matt DC, Thursday, 12 July 2018 07:20 (five years ago) link
i think it's fair enough whatever way they want to play, but there looked to be a really determined long ball plan in the first half. sterling was way advanced and they kept hoofing it to him. it was working for a while but as croatia dropped deep the signs were there, even after a forty minutes or so, that they were going to dominate the ball and control the game. loftus-cheek might emerge and improve that side in the next few years, he uses the ball a bit better than some.
― FernandoHierro, Thursday, 12 July 2018 07:22 (five years ago) link
Also I think there's a difference between a decisive direct plan based on long passes (and they played plenty of short ones in tight situations as well) and ignoring the coach's instructions and just hoofing it because you can't think of anything else to do. Previous England defences would have been doing that pretty much from kick off.
― Matt DC, Thursday, 12 July 2018 07:27 (five years ago) link
I didn't know Fernando Hierro was Irish till this morning.
― Alan Alba (Tom D.), Thursday, 12 July 2018 07:39 (five years ago) link
his mother was a gaeilgeoir from rossnowlagh
― dele alli my bookmarks (darraghmac), Thursday, 12 July 2018 07:45 (five years ago) link
Have England got any youngsters coming through who are creative midfielders?
Grealish maybe?
― groovypanda, Thursday, 12 July 2018 08:47 (five years ago) link
Wilshere
― dele alli my bookmarks (darraghmac), Thursday, 12 July 2018 08:51 (five years ago) link
winks isnt that but he is imo a possibility as a decent metronomic passer in a different formation
Phil Foden
― cajunsunday, Thursday, 12 July 2018 08:52 (five years ago) link
arent there other injuries affecting that team reasonably significantly, tbf, tbf
rose fit for a start really changes things ito energy, ground covered and opposition stretched
lallana not the messiah but def the closest ye have to that missing player
AOC prob takes a sluggish Alli out of the running two games in, if hes not a starter in the middle
― dele alli my bookmarks (darraghmac), Thursday, 12 July 2018 08:55 (five years ago) link
Lewis Cook could get there or therabouts in time maybe.
― Matt DC, Thursday, 12 July 2018 08:56 (five years ago) link
foden is the great hope but when I've seen him play he's been more of an attacking mf
dele knows how to milk moments perfectly and get an edge. won the fk last night.
― ogmor, Thursday, 12 July 2018 08:58 (five years ago) link
think cook, winks, ward prowse prob more in the henderson role/area than any putative luke modrich
― dele alli my bookmarks (darraghmac), Thursday, 12 July 2018 08:59 (five years ago) link
dele is a good deal better than a moments player, but hasnt been for some time now.
agreed that in those moments hes quite advanced for an english player in getting the required result
― dele alli my bookmarks (darraghmac), Thursday, 12 July 2018 09:00 (five years ago) link
I keep forgetting that Harry Winks exists and he plays for us. If he'd been able to keep up the momentum from the first half of this season he would probably have been in the squad.
― Matt DC, Thursday, 12 July 2018 09:03 (five years ago) link
havent seen enough of (AM)RLC to know where he might sit
rashford development in the short term also dictates how the team might set up
course the next tournament will have a first xi full of players weve never heard of tbf, sean dyche probably working on the next england back four as we speak
― dele alli my bookmarks (darraghmac), Thursday, 12 July 2018 09:04 (five years ago) link
xp no doubt at all winks makes the squad, quite possible he makes the first xi given injuries besides, but tbh youd need to see if he kicks on next year or not. still absurdly light on games.
for now hes prob best put down as dier-level option but in a cm passing role as opposed to enforcer
― dele alli my bookmarks (darraghmac), Thursday, 12 July 2018 09:06 (five years ago) link
whens the season start lads my bloods up
heh
ross barkley lads
― dele alli my bookmarks (darraghmac), Thursday, 12 July 2018 09:07 (five years ago) link
dele's got that delish contempt and guile. I think the best thing about the england team has been the positional play and the runs. they were uncharacteristically fluid for a lot of the tournament & the maguire-stones-walker defence performed much better than I expected
― ogmor, Thursday, 12 July 2018 09:07 (five years ago) link
all fair as is what most of matts been saying tbh
but stones walker fears arent based around the most of what they do, its the two things a game they do.
― dele alli my bookmarks (darraghmac), Thursday, 12 July 2018 09:09 (five years ago) link
sean dyche probably working on the next england back four as we speak
He's got that Andrei Tarkovsky guy in this team already.
― Alan Alba (Tom D.), Thursday, 12 July 2018 09:15 (five years ago) link
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DiAbbQOX4AEvE45.jpg
― Number None, Friday, 13 July 2018 19:37 (five years ago) link
LOL
― Alan Alba (Tom D.), Friday, 13 July 2018 19:56 (five years ago) link
says more about shots on target than england, but lol nonetheless
― Roberto Spiralli, Friday, 13 July 2018 20:22 (five years ago) link
How does that stat even work when England have scored 12 goals in 6 matches?
― Iain Mew (if), Saturday, 14 July 2018 06:47 (five years ago) link
That’s from open play so free kicks, corners and penalties excluded, I guess. That’s how England scored most of their goals.
― Wag1 Shree Rajneesh (ShariVari), Saturday, 14 July 2018 06:55 (five years ago) link
Not coming come but breaking records nonetheless.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-44898458
― Chase Knobbe? Have you Courtney Cox? (Tom D.), Saturday, 21 July 2018 07:13 (five years ago) link
Southgate so desperate to not pick Connor Coady that he reverts to a back 4
― Leon Carrotsky (Noodle Vague), Friday, 12 October 2018 21:00 (five years ago) link
uh
― Number None, Monday, 15 October 2018 19:24 (five years ago) link
winks
― Dmac TT (darraghmac), Monday, 15 October 2018 19:52 (five years ago) link
poch 4 england
― Dmac TT (darraghmac), Monday, 15 October 2018 19:53 (five years ago) link
i presume replay will show that as absolute thuggery
― Dmac TT (darraghmac), Monday, 15 October 2018 20:02 (five years ago) link
the fuck do refs still ignore this cunts violence
nonsense
― Dmac TT (darraghmac), Monday, 15 October 2018 20:04 (five years ago) link
pretty undignified stuff this from whatdyoucallhim
― Dmac TT (darraghmac), Monday, 15 October 2018 20:13 (five years ago) link
mind u losing 3-1 to an eric dier team must sting
seems a bit harsh moaning about this Rooney cap from anybody who didn't quibble about 50-odd before it
― Tsugumo Alanshearer (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 8 November 2018 17:35 (five years ago) link
12 goals and 9 assists in 19 starts this season.
legend.
hello england's rose
― ( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Thursday, 8 November 2018 17:39 (five years ago) link
is every BBC journo being bunged by UEFA to pretend this nonsense "competition" is good now?
― Danton Lok (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 18 November 2018 13:04 (five years ago) link
England are celebrating this as though it's a World Cup semi-final.
― Wag1 Shree Rajneesh (ShariVari), Sunday, 18 November 2018 15:51 (five years ago) link
It's their World Cup semi-final.
― ROCK MUSIC (Tom D.), Sunday, 18 November 2018 16:16 (five years ago) link
dont grouse lads if this young english team was anyone else we'd love em
― rake pulture (darraghmac), Sunday, 18 November 2018 19:11 (five years ago) link
Love Dele Alli? Like that's going to happen.
― ROCK MUSIC (Tom D.), Sunday, 18 November 2018 19:19 (five years ago) link
You have to admit there's something brilliantly batshit about a competition where if you win you go through to the semi-finals and if you lose you get relegated.
― Matt DC, Sunday, 18 November 2018 19:27 (five years ago) link