i think jesse jarnow, wfmu dj and author of the terrific heads, wrote the liner notes for the 3cd version, looking forward to reading/listening
― adam, Thursday, 28 June 2018 14:33 (five years ago) link
listened to 9/27/72 the other night, those 72 shows are all so freaking good
― marcos, Thursday, 28 June 2018 14:36 (five years ago) link
dark stars after 68-69 lose their luster imo but the one from that show is gorgeous
btw i went to a dead & co show last week. lol. it was pretty fun. i was amazed by how well weir's voice and guitar playing have held up over the years. mayer was competent and mostly unobtrusive, occasionally annoying, occasionally pretty good. listening to those vintage shows though, damn, phil is so much a part of what i love about this band (garcia obv too but that goes without saying) and i missed his presence a lot the other night. also the setlist was okay, a lot upbeat rockers that i don't care about. he's gone was good but i thought they were gonna go into truckin with it and i was so excited but then they didn't so it was kind of a let down. they closed with knockin on heaven's door and it was pretty good. drums / space definitely felt a little too orchestrated but it was fun nonetheless, i laid on the grassy lawn and just looked up at the stars and had a nice experience.
deadhead scene was... idk man. honestly i am happy to say i'm a "deadhead" and i love seeing other deadheads out in the wild - if i see i steal my face sticker on a car i'll chat or give a thumbs up - but being in that crowd my reaction was a little more negative. too many drunks imo
― marcos, Thursday, 28 June 2018 14:43 (five years ago) link
i know this is probably anathema to deadheads but there's a recent The Best of the Grateful Dead Live that (imo) would serve as a pretty good introduction to the band's live stuff for a casual listener:
1. "St. Stephen" Jerry Garcia, Phil Lesh, Robert Hunter February 27, 1969Fillmore WestSan Francisco Live/Dead 6:37
2. "Bertha" Garcia, Hunter April 27, 1971Fillmore EastNew York City Grateful Dead 5:42
3. "Wharf Rat" Garcia, Hunter April 26, 1971Fillmore EastNew York City Grateful Dead 8:32
4. "Sugar Magnolia" Garcia, Hunter May 4, 1972Olympia TheatreParis Europe '72 7:10
5. "Jack Straw" Bob Weir, Hunter May 3, 1972Olympia TheatreParis Europe '72 4:48
6. "Truckin'" Garcia, Lesh, Weir, Hunter May 26, 1972Lyceum TheatreLondon Europe '72 13:07
7. "Morning Dew" Bonnie Dobson, Tim Rose May 26, 1972Lyceum TheatreLondon Europe '72 11:28
8. "Brown-Eyed Women" Garcia, Hunter April 14, 1972Tivoli Concert HallCopenhagen Europe '72 4:37
9. "The Music Never Stopped" Weir, John Barlow August 13, 1975Great American Music HallSan Francisco One from the Vault 5:28
10. "Estimated Prophet" Weir, Barlow May 8, 1977Barton HallIthaca, New York Cornell 5/8/77 8:44
Disc two
No. Title Writer(s) Recorded Previously released Length1. "Friend of the Devil" Garcia, John Dawson, Hunter October 27, 1980Radio City Music Hall
New York City Dead Set 7:322. "Feel Like a Stranger" Weir, Barlow October 4, 1980Warfield TheatreSan Francisco Dead Set 5:46
3. "Fire on the Mountain" Mickey Hart, Hunter October 31, 1980Radio City Music HallNew York City Dead Set 6:47
4. "Bird Song" Garcia, Hunter October 14, 1980Warfield TheatreSan Francisco Reckoning 7:38
5. "Ripple" Garcia, Hunter October 4, 1980Warfield TheatreSan Francisco Reckoning 4:26
6. "Eyes of the World" Garcia, Hunter March 29, 1990Nassau ColiseumUniondale, New York Without a Net 16:13
7. "Touch of Grey" Garcia, Hunter July 4, 1989Rich StadiumOrchard Park, New York Truckin' Up to Buffalo 6:30
8. "Blow Away" Brent Mydland, Hunter July 7, 1989John F. Kennedy StadiumPhiladelphia Crimson White & Indigo 12:19
9. "So Many Roads" Garcia, Hunter July 9, 1995Soldier FieldChicago So Many Roads 9:35
― The Desus & Mero Chain (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 28 June 2018 14:51 (five years ago) link
i went to see them and not having to see mayer's goony guitar faces really helped him not stand out like a sore thumb xp
― global tetrahedron, Thursday, 28 June 2018 14:53 (five years ago) link
how did you like the show?
― The Desus & Mero Chain (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 28 June 2018 14:54 (five years ago) link
it was fun! nothing revelatory or life changing but definitely better than i expected. justin vernon did some songs with them which incensed the online deadheads for days, which i found hilarious because it makes just about as much sense to have him up there as it does to have john fucking mayer. for a band so rich in lore, etc i'm glad i could be there for a night of legendary infamy :)
― global tetrahedron, Thursday, 28 June 2018 14:59 (five years ago) link
a friend is trying to convince me to go to a dead and co show in boulder next month, but i am resisting. mainly i just don't want to stand in the sun for 5 hours. also mayer. i do want to read that new book about the post-Jerry years that just came out, should have some juicy stuff in it.
― tylerw, Thursday, 28 June 2018 15:02 (five years ago) link
otm xp
honestly tho there is a local dead cover band here that is ace and i enjoy their shows more than i enjoyed the dead & co
― marcos, Thursday, 28 June 2018 15:03 (five years ago) link
I've contemplated seeing Dead & Co, but really cannot get past Mayer, unobtrusive though he may be. And Marcos OTM re: Phil. If Phil joined Dead & Co., and if Ned Lagin tagged along and a "Seastones" could be expected at every show, yeah, I'd go see them.
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, 28 June 2018 15:12 (five years ago) link
...and then they ditched everyone and it was just Lesh and Lagin doing Seastones
― The Desus & Mero Chain (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 28 June 2018 16:10 (five years ago) link
my wife shamed me into two Dead and Co shows. First was on a very nice summer night last year, outdoor show, excellent seats way up front. much more fun than I expected.
second was in a big indoor hockey arena and the sound sucked. that said, they had tightened things up, esp the second set, which made for a better product in some ways.
in both cases, the music was incredibly slow even by their standards. bertha in particular was a slog. can't see how an uninitiated could have stayed awake. loved hearing bobby's guitar high in the mix and he seemed to be rising to the occasion. mayer provided the energy and adequate guitar playing and the bass guy helped alot. keyboard guy seemed a little too dead-cover-band for the role.
protip: get there an hour late and skip a big chunk of the first set. makes the night go by much faster
― tobo73, Thursday, 28 June 2018 16:57 (five years ago) link
justin vernon did some songs with them which incensed the online deadheads for days, which i found hilarious because it makes just about as much sense to have him up there as it does to have john fucking mayer
ok I'm no Mayer fan but this is completely, laughably false
― Paul Ponzi, Thursday, 28 June 2018 17:31 (five years ago) link
only ppl with signature guitars allowed?
― The Desus & Mero Chain (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 28 June 2018 17:41 (five years ago) link
how so paul
― global tetrahedron, Thursday, 28 June 2018 18:11 (five years ago) link
yeah what is the difference
― flappy bird, Thursday, 28 June 2018 18:28 (five years ago) link
Mayer is unapologetic about being a bro asshole, Vernon is a shy violet with no spine. Mayer's milquetoast brand isn't that much more 'straight' or normcore or whatever than whatever Bon Iver is up to.
― flappy bird, Thursday, 28 June 2018 18:30 (five years ago) link
vernon is way more of a sconnie dude than people think from what i hear
― The Desus & Mero Chain (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 28 June 2018 18:31 (five years ago) link
"sconnie"?
― flappy bird, Thursday, 28 June 2018 18:35 (five years ago) link
Someone from Wisconsin
― chr1sb3singer, Thursday, 28 June 2018 18:56 (five years ago) link
The only time I've spent any time around Vernon he was mostly yelling at a Green Bay Packers game
― chr1sb3singer, Thursday, 28 June 2018 18:57 (five years ago) link
....wistfully yelling at a green bay packers game through autotune
― The Desus & Mero Chain (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 28 June 2018 19:31 (five years ago) link
Bon Packer
― Making Plans For Sturgill (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 28 June 2018 19:36 (five years ago) link
― global tetrahedron, Thursday, June 28, 2018 2:11 PM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― flappy bird, Thursday, June 28, 2018 2:28 PM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
virtuoso (like it or not) guitar hero / dreamboat with at least some credibility (or at least name recognition) with the kinda festival attending bros who dig Panic, Phish, Mule, etc vs. sensitive cornball indie rocker not especially known for protracted guitar solos (or solos of any kind for that matter)
― Paul Ponzi, Thursday, 28 June 2018 19:48 (five years ago) link
i do want to read that new book about the post-Jerry years that just came out, should have some juicy stuff in it. The Rolling Stone mention, not really a review, that I saw (may have been more coverage later) cited the shocking tale of how Lesh and Weir cruelly went Furthur, leaving the other Dead behind. I had previewed a Furthur show in Columbus OH, did a little background, seemed like just another GD sidetrip, like all of 'em have done at one time or another. They had the Garcia clone from Deep Banana Blackout, a couple relatively young but experienced hands on drums and hopefully non-toxic keys, plus the possibility of unlisted guests, as at earlier gigs, non-outrageous ticket prices etc., whole thing seemed okay. Apparently ended when Weir fell down onstage, but that was furthur down the road.A thing on the Phil Zone site in late 90s where he announced that he was disgusted with at least some of the other Dead, the ones who wanted to use the Vault as collateral in a venture with Microsoft, according to him---suppose there might be *some* lasting fallout from the Phil Zone over this, and maybe that's in the book as well.
― dow, Thursday, 28 June 2018 20:01 (five years ago) link
Oh no, sorry, he wasn't from DBB; this was the crew we got with Lesh and Weir:The original lineup also included John Kadlecik of the Dark Star Orchestra on lead guitar, Jeff Chimenti of RatDog on keyboards, Jay Lane of RatDog on percussion, and Joe Russo of the Benevento/Russo Duo on drums.
― dow, Thursday, 28 June 2018 20:33 (five years ago) link
Although Lane may have already split? I didn't actually attend, so no idea (assigned a preview, not a review).
― dow, Thursday, 28 June 2018 20:35 (five years ago) link
Furthur retained much of the characteristic style and texture of the Dead. In addition to performing many of the songs regularly played in concert by the Dead, Furthur tried to "keep it fresh" by routinely adding new material to their setlists. This included many songs resurrected from the Grateful Dead's extensive songbook, including several rarely or never performed live, like "Alice D. Millionaire", as well as several cover songs from bands including the Beatles, the Rolling Stones, Bob Dylan, the Band, Pink Floyd, Led Zeppelin, Ryan Adams, Van Morrison and the Clash. They also regularly performed some new, original material. Now I wish I'd gone!
― dow, Thursday, 28 June 2018 21:02 (five years ago) link
Deep Dark Banana Star Blackout Orchestra. (It's hard to keep all them jambands straight...) xxp
― Get aboard the flappy bird, departing gate 19 (Dan Peterson), Thursday, 28 June 2018 21:16 (five years ago) link
was there always a vague affinity from jam bands towards the talking heads? it's something i've noticed lately. there's even a band called 'pink talking phish' which i'm sure is just... something
― global tetrahedron, Thursday, 28 June 2018 21:22 (five years ago) link
Post-Jerry: The Dead > Dead & Co >>> Furthur in my experience. Phil was great but he's nowhere near the player he used to be and Otiel in dead & co is an upgrade with a sweet voice for ballads and having a DSO's Jerry impersonator up front was creepy. My advice is don't let Mayer scare you away, he takes a backseat to Bob and deeply respects the music.
― BrianB, Thursday, 28 June 2018 21:22 (five years ago) link
xp well yeah: http://www.openculture.com/2012/11/watch_phish_play_the_entirety_of_the_talking_heads_iremain_in_lighti_1996.html
― dow, Thursday, 28 June 2018 21:25 (five years ago) link
How was Trey w Dead & Co. or whatever they were called then?
― dow, Thursday, 28 June 2018 21:26 (five years ago) link
i was driving lyft the night byrne played mpls and i picked up a carload of jam band dudes from colorado
― The Desus & Mero Chain (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 28 June 2018 21:28 (five years ago) link
thanks for picking us up dawg, though we weren't loving the tunes -- did you say it was some band called Loutallica?
― tylerw, Thursday, 28 June 2018 21:30 (five years ago) link
Vernon is a shy violet with no spine.
this is really misinformed, vernon can actually belt when he wants to & is an outstanding, very well-rounded musician
― she carries a torch. two torches, actually (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Thursday, 28 June 2018 21:33 (five years ago) link
The Dead w/ Warren Hayes >> The Dead w/ Trey. Trey's not bluesy enough to stand in Jerry's shoes.
― BrianB, Thursday, 28 June 2018 21:43 (five years ago) link
xxxpIn the times I tried (and failed) to get into Phish, it flummoxed me how they loved stuff right in my zone like the Dead, Talking Heads, and VU's Loaded -- yet I could find no way into their own music (including their covers of that stuff).
― i’m still stanning (morrisp), Thursday, 28 June 2018 21:48 (five years ago) link
― she carries a torch. two torches, actually (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Thursday, June 28, 2018 5:33 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
You're right, I'm only familiar with For Emma, Forever Ago (which I loved), and his wishy-washy Grammy's speech, which was 6 or 7 years ago. I haven't kept up with him.
― flappy bird, Friday, 29 June 2018 16:53 (five years ago) link
i was a mayer skeptic for a long time but saw them at citi and thought he did a great job of largely taking a backseat while injecting some (relative) youth and energy into the lineup. he really killed the guitar on help -> slip -> franklin and his voice works pretty well on bluesier stuff like hurts me too. it's taken them some time to find their groove together but i'm feeling this tour a lot.
― oiocha, Friday, 29 June 2018 17:28 (five years ago) link
god dicks picks 8 is good, the acoustic set and the other one -> cryptical envelopment -> cosmic charlie -> casey jones -> good lovin (with a really wild driving jam on a track i normally can skip) stretch is insane. trying to make it through every dp on spotify. what a great time to be a dead fan.
― oiocha, Saturday, 15 September 2018 03:54 (five years ago) link
― calstars, Saturday, 15 September 2018 04:05 (five years ago) link
i think that now i'm easing closer to middle age i'm gonna get super into the dead, just feels right imo
― gbx, Saturday, 15 September 2018 20:06 (five years ago) link
i found my two favorite dick's picks at the record shoppe, vols 3 and 4 just sitting there right next to each other :)
― global tetrahedron, Saturday, 15 September 2018 20:52 (five years ago) link
this has been me over the last 2 weeks. 45 was the magic number as it turns out.
Dicks Picks 3 has been in constant rotation
― Scam jam, thank you ma’am (Sparkle Motion), Sunday, 16 September 2018 05:15 (five years ago) link
i...don't understand why they ever had two drummers. it makes sense on occasion, certain eras (earlier, especially), and different songs where they play in a complimentary way. but for the most part, whenever i have the chance to watch a grateful dead clip and both billy and mickey are playing, they're pretty much playing the exact same thing. it is weird.
― Karl Malone, Sunday, 25 November 2018 03:55 (five years ago) link
in 68/69 i feel the duo drumming did have good effect, when mickey rejoined after the hiatus i fail to hear anything interesting coming from the pair. they were certainly more dynamic and got into some of my favorite stuff with just bill. that said, i do appreciate that mickey is and was a really far out spacey dude and kept a lot of weirdness present as they got bigger and lamer. this read on the beam is pretty cool even if a lot of it is over my head:
https://www.mickeyhart.net/news/all-about-the-beam-baby-5211
and he seems the most curious and restless member even into the current day-
https://aquariumdrunkard.com/2018/01/09/dead-notes-15-the-mickey-hart-interview/
― global tetrahedron, Sunday, 25 November 2018 04:59 (five years ago) link
Thanks for linking that interview... I skimmed over some chunks of it, but it’s really interesting. Mickey is cool.
― my guitar friend wants his money (morrisp), Sunday, 25 November 2018 07:15 (five years ago) link
holy shit, the beam
i didn't know about ANY of that.
― Karl Malone, Sunday, 25 November 2018 08:15 (five years ago) link