assault the well defended: Pink Floyd's "The Dark Side of the Moon"

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The people here seem to be so into rhythm, but really interesting rhythmic stuff, such as odd time signatures, they aren't into at all. Some people need to realize there is a world outside the dancefloor.
-- Geir Hongro (geirhon...), June 16th, 2005.

and then there's those OTHER people here who seem to be so into melody, but really interesting melodic stuff, such as odd or dissonant melodies, they aren't into at all. Some people need to realize there is a world outside straight melody.

Am0n, Friday, 17 June 2005 13:22 (9 years ago) Permalink

The only problem with it is that screaming backup gospel shit at the end of the first side!

b-b-b-but they had to have some screaming gosepl shit there. That was the tornado scene!

PappaWheelie (PappaWheelie), Friday, 17 June 2005 13:49 (9 years ago) Permalink

The "shapeless" part fits, but I'll have to ponder why its so "shapeless"...maybe because the songs are so similar

It's either all in the pretty much the same tempo or all in the same key, I can't remember which. Didn't one of the band members admit later that they realized this after the fact and should have varied it a bit? Anyway, I think the shapeless description is dead on although another word that would fit is monotonous.

walter kranz (walterkranz), Friday, 17 June 2005 15:05 (9 years ago) Permalink

(aren't you glad this thread doesn't have the word "grime" in it?)

Lord Custos Omicron (Lord Custos Omicron), Saturday, 18 June 2005 01:13 (9 years ago) Permalink

The Grimey Side of the Moon

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Saturday, 18 June 2005 01:22 (9 years ago) Permalink

already been said, but fuck it:

animals > wish you were here >>> dark side of the moon

Amon (eman), Saturday, 18 June 2005 01:35 (9 years ago) Permalink

John Cale's Music for a New Society really is what The Dark Side of the Moon could have been.

-- Ian Riese-Moraine: exposing ambitious careerists as charlatans since 1986. (eastern_mantr...), June 17th, 2005 9:05 PM.

How do you mean?

The former sounds a lot like a skewered cousin of the latter to my ears. It's hard to explain but it makes sense to me. If Pink Floyd weren't so dreary I could see them making something like it.

Speaking of dreary, it amazes me how lifeless Dark Side sounds in comparison with Robert Wyatt's Rock Bottom, which was recorded the following year and produced by Nick Mason.

Ian Riese-Moraine: exposing ambitious careerists as charlatans since 1986. (East, Saturday, 18 June 2005 02:02 (9 years ago) Permalink

Update: I've just had another incident of crossing swords with a Pink Floyd devotee. This self-same devotee pushed the idea that there was something "abnormal" about me because I owned an Eagles CD. I hated reminding him that -- according to the RIAA -- The Eagles have shifted more units than DSOTM, and that owning the compilation is actually not "abnormal" at all, but bog-standard in its common-ness. Then I stopped, because the only thing more distasteful than being forced to defend the Eagles, is being forced to defend the Eagles through Argumentum ad Populum.

Y'know, I'm almost pining for the days when I had to fend off an ICP fan. It was much more fun to bitch about the Incredible Shiteness of ICP instead of the Incredible Shiteness of Floyd. "ICP" merely sounds like the name of an evil corporation; whereas "Pink Floyd" sounds like the name of the flounciest redneck at the truckstop diner.

Lord Custos Omicron (Lord Custos Omicron), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 01:24 (9 years ago) Permalink

That's an interesting parallel Ian. I would say that Rock Bottom is similarly monochrome and dirge-like but there is a real feeling of pain and catharsis that makes it captivating. There's a definite energy to the album, even if it's a negative, mournful energy. DSOTM feels like more of an aimless depression -- the sound of a disaffected whiner just giving up. I think there's a similar parallel between Nick Drake (who I like musically but never listen to because it's such an energy drain) and early Leonard Cohen who is equally if not more depressed but brings a sort of cynical energy to the doom and gloom.

walter kranz (walterkranz), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 01:51 (9 years ago) Permalink

Okay, one last jab and I'll drop the subject...
The Cure's "Disintegration" >>> Pink Floyd's "Dark Side of the Moon"
I defy anyone to try to prove this wrong.

Lord Custos Omicron (Lord Custos Omicron), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 01:57 (9 years ago) Permalink

an acquaintance thought that the lyrics to 'prayers for rain' were actually 'president reagan' (which he highly approved of). thus, dud.

mookieproof (mookieproof), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 02:06 (9 years ago) Permalink

That's an interesting parallel Ian. I would say that Rock Bottom is similarly monochrome and dirge-like but there is a real feeling of pain and catharsis that makes it captivating. There's a definite energy to the album, even if it's a negative, mournful energy. DSOTM feels like more of an aimless depression -- the sound of a disaffected whiner just giving up.

this is SO right. rock bottom is also laced with wyatt's sense of humour, which makes it an immensely more appealing album.

el sabor de gene (yournullfame), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 02:27 (9 years ago) Permalink

Yes, the humor gives a solution to the despair (or in the case of DSOTM, not quite despair but lethargy) doesn't it? It also helps that Rock Bottom is a bit more rough around the edges. It has a human element that is lost from DSOTM with all of it's cool slickness. That's cool in the original sense of the word: a shiny, distancing veneer.

walter kranz (walterkranz), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 02:40 (9 years ago) Permalink

i listened to this today for the first time in many years and skipped most of it. but breath through time is still excellent, and us and them and brain damage are pretty untouchable. Still I think this album has the first appearance of Roger Waters annoying "madman cackling in the background" which goes on to sully "Dogs" and, well, all of the Wall. It sounds so stupid. I can image the rest of the band sighing as he insists on tracking different laughs.

kyle (akmonday), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 02:43 (9 years ago) Permalink

It sounds so stupid. I can image the rest of the band sighing as he insists on tracking different laughs.

Also see Axl Rose going "Yow!" all over the good parts of the Use Your Illusion albums. I would've been right behind ya, Izzy.

Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 03:57 (9 years ago) Permalink

1 year passes...
downloaded and listened to and loved TIME again today.
couple of years ago i saw it featured as background music on (and somehow perfectly suited to) that FASHION TV channel on SKY.

you can say what you like about the self-indulgence, the would-be jazz affectations, the 'suburban loner' isms referenced up top and tie yrself in endless knots about why it sold so many who to and such...but you really can't beat TIME.

the major flaw i think if there is one on this album is gilmour's vocals but no one's mentioned that so maybe it's just me.

pisces (piscesx), Tuesday, 4 July 2006 11:06 (8 years ago) Permalink

Being another mainstream band that thought adding black female vocalists makes things more soulful

B-b-b-b-but she's white!

Doctor Casino (Doctor Casino), Tuesday, 4 July 2006 14:20 (8 years ago) Permalink

The horrible blues lifts are but an inch from clapton-esque hardware shop blues by numbers. Intro to Time is great tho...

gekoppel (Gekoppel), Tuesday, 4 July 2006 14:28 (8 years ago) Permalink

i recently got a CD rip of the "quadraphonic mix" of DSOTM, so I've been listening to this for the first time in probably 5 or 6 years. Sounds great! Sure, it's got some clunkers (actually, just "Money"), but "Time" and "Us and Them" are still really wonderful tracks, despite the over-exposure. I fondly recall going to the Griffith Park Observatory as a teen many many years ago for the DSOTM laser show. It was totally wild. (by the way, the quad mix doesn't sound super different, at least to me. do i need a quad set up? probably.)

Tyler W (tylerw), Tuesday, 4 July 2006 15:04 (8 years ago) Permalink

Christ, I don't remember this thread existing at all, and I replied to it twice a year ago!

Anyways, the case against: It's too slow. "On The Run" is the only track with any real energy - not that NRG was ever Floyd's specialty. And it's mostly useless as audio accompaniment to "The Wizard Of Oz", unless you've got much better drugs than me.

[If this were a "Defend the indefensible" thread, I'd say that a cerebral soulless part of me will always retain a certain fascination/satisfaction with the sheer lushness of this sort of state-of-the-art pre-'80s recording. That'll never change. But there are so many other Floyd LPs I'd sooner listen to when I'm in the mood for Floyd, which is rare.]

M. Agony Von Bontee (M. Agony Von Bontee), Tuesday, 4 July 2006 17:34 (8 years ago) Permalink

Isn't a large part of this albums legendary run on the charts due to it being used as a hi-fi demonstration LP? Some good proportion of it's sales were to Classical buffs who wanted to test the dynamic range of their stereo set ups.

bendy (bendy), Tuesday, 4 July 2006 17:38 (8 years ago) Permalink

Can we do Abbey Road next? Now that's what I call overrated shite.

dr lulu (dr lulu), Tuesday, 4 July 2006 18:11 (8 years ago) Permalink

HEAR HEAR GOOD CHAP

sleeve (sleeve), Tuesday, 4 July 2006 18:19 (8 years ago) Permalink

2 years pass...

The psuedo-jazz affectations of the saxophone. Being another mainstream band that thought adding black female vocalists makes things more soulful (I'm not sure of who sings on record, but I know they were guilty of this later). AOR affectations that clip off meandering songs before they develop and make possible singles weaker because they only really fit in the scope of the album. Songs about time and money that make amazing observations.

― mike h. (mike h.), Thursday, June 16, 2005 4:47 AM (3 years ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

I don't think it matters, but wasn't the female singer actually white? Your point still stands though

iago g., Sunday, 2 November 2008 01:43 (6 years ago) Permalink

Whatever happened to Custos?

Naive Teen Idol, Sunday, 2 November 2008 01:49 (6 years ago) Permalink

Custos = Dom

№ 1 (libcrypt), Sunday, 2 November 2008 01:53 (6 years ago) Permalink

people who go out of their way to attack records like Dark Side are pathetic to me. I mean, it's not one of my favorites, but it isn't offensive or anything. Like it or don't, jesus.

Kevin Keller, Sunday, 2 November 2008 02:00 (6 years ago) Permalink

Hey, I like it! I think Christgau's comment about it being kitsch says more about him than it

iago g., Sunday, 2 November 2008 02:09 (6 years ago) Permalink


Doris Troy

energizing the base (briania), Sunday, 2 November 2008 02:12 (6 years ago) Permalink

They were actually playing that Dub Side of the Moon thing in the bar I was in last night. Pretty good, and bot just in that "Well, it's better than the reggae tribute to the Police" way.

If Timi Yuro would be still alive, most other singers could shut up, Sunday, 2 November 2008 02:13 (6 years ago) Permalink

ftr There were three black female backing singers on Dark Side doing the three part harmony stuff, the vocalist on The Great Gig is Claire Torry who is white.

MaresNest, Sunday, 2 November 2008 20:42 (6 years ago) Permalink

Thanks MaresNest, I knew she was white.

iago g., Sunday, 2 November 2008 22:49 (6 years ago) Permalink

1 year passes...

RIP Roger The Hat

It was with sadness that we heard the news this week that Roger "The Hat" Manifold, a prominent and much loved roadie in the 1970s for Pink Floyd, Johnny Winter, and many others, passed away on October 31st, 2009. He got his famous nickname due to his habit of wearing a top hat (and other such headwear) during his roadie duties.

He is best known to Floyd fans as one of the more notable voices heard on The Dark Side Of The Moon, providing lines such as "Live for today; gone tomorrow. That's me!" and "I mean they're gonna kill you, so if you give them a short, sharp shock, they don't do it again.... I mean, good manners don't cost nothing, do they? Eh?"

Elvis Telecom, Thursday, 12 November 2009 02:06 (5 years ago) Permalink

2 years pass...

A suggestion that on later CD pressings a faintly audible orchestral version of The Beatles's "Ticket to Ride" can be heard after "Eclipse", over the album's closing heartbeats, may be due to a remastering error.[47]

Wow, I've been wondering about that for years. I always assumed this was intentional. And I never knew it was "Ticket To Ride..." Thats... kinda amazing.

billstevejim, Wednesday, 15 February 2012 04:47 (2 years ago) Permalink

I don't have a problem with this record at all. The only real criticism I could level at it, is that if I'm in completely the wrong mood, 'Us And Them' draaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaags like a motherfucker.

Turrican, Friday, 17 February 2012 23:11 (2 years ago) Permalink

pink floyd rules

tylerw, Friday, 17 February 2012 23:13 (2 years ago) Permalink

I hate the sound of this record

max buzzword (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 17 February 2012 23:16 (2 years ago) Permalink

forward he cried
from the rear
and the Pink Floyd rules

Euler, Friday, 17 February 2012 23:16 (2 years ago) Permalink

A suggestion that on later CD pressings a faintly audible orchestral version of The Beatles's "Ticket to Ride" can be heard after "Eclipse", over the album's closing heartbeats, may be due to a remastering error.
if you play "ticket to ride" backwards you can hear ringo say "pinnnnk floyyyyyd rullllles"

tylerw, Friday, 17 February 2012 23:19 (2 years ago) Permalink

In fact, come to think of it: Nick Mason's drumming. Are those drum tracks completely laced with marijuana or could he just not be bothered? :D His drumming has this real 'I caaaaan't beeeeee arrrrsed' feeling about it, which I really don't get from many other Pink Floyd albums.

Turrican, Friday, 17 February 2012 23:20 (2 years ago) Permalink

huh, the part where the drums come in on us and them is like my favorite part of this record

tylerw, Friday, 17 February 2012 23:23 (2 years ago) Permalink

hell yes

Euler, Friday, 17 February 2012 23:23 (2 years ago) Permalink

should I turn off "Jamaica Jerk-Off" to listen to "Us & Them"

ridiculous question, I know

Euler, Friday, 17 February 2012 23:24 (2 years ago) Permalink

The most powerful drumming on the record has to be on either 'Time' or 'Eclipse'. The part where 'Brain Damage' segues into 'Eclipse' is THE moment on this record for me.

Turrican, Friday, 17 February 2012 23:25 (2 years ago) Permalink

I have no idea what this means but it rules

Euler, Friday, 17 February 2012 23:26 (2 years ago) Permalink

should I turn off "Jamaica Jerk-Off" to listen to "Us & Them"

ridiculous question, I know

― Euler, Friday, February 17, 2012 11:24 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Yes :)

Turrican, Friday, 17 February 2012 23:26 (2 years ago) Permalink

I think if you read that graph starting right when "Us & Them" starts, it rules

Euler, Friday, 17 February 2012 23:27 (2 years ago) Permalink

lollll i love that graph.

tylerw, Friday, 17 February 2012 23:28 (2 years ago) Permalink

wtf

Euler, Friday, 17 February 2012 23:28 (2 years ago) Permalink

by which I mean, it rules

Euler, Friday, 17 February 2012 23:29 (2 years ago) Permalink


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