Post Grunge Explosion Also Ran bands. Classic Or Dud/Search & destroy

Partly, indeed. Context -- Ratt were 'big' in the sense that I knew about them when "Round and Round" hit in 1984 and they appeared on the Top 40 station I listened to in upstate New York, which was as good an indicator as anything. But hell, I even remember more songs from Quiet Riot at that time from the same source.

But I can't sing! I can grunt a bit.

I dunno if "Lay It Down" was a "smash single," but it did get a very entertaining video.

But you know who the BEST bubblegrunge band were? Days of the New!!! Their second album, after the main guy fired everybody else in the band, is a stone cold world-rhythm-disco hard sludge classic, no shit.

Static X!! And do those first two Crazytown singles count??

Seven Mary Three seemed so totally leaden (at least in their hit -- heaviest bubblegrunge hit ever, maybe??) that sometimes I wonder if I could appreciate them now in a stoner rock sense. I doubt it, though.

I had forgotten how good that Posies "Frosting On the Beater" album was.

Please don't interpret this as a defense of Pearl Jam, but WRONG!

Plus, Collective Soul's first and biggest hit was basically that old church song "This little light of mine I'm gonna let it shine."

Uh, no. Have you ever heard "this Little Light of Mine" (recently covered by Firewater, btw). It sounds nothing like "Shine". They're both a fuckin' TRIAL to listen to (even F'water's version, honestly), but they're nothing alike otherwise.

I can't say I really remember what they sound like, but as I recall, Stabbing Westward attempted to align themselves more with the faux-industrial scene ala NIN than with the grunge corps.

"Spin the Black Circle"
"Animal"
"State of Love & Trust"
"Deep"

WHICH "critics"? And which "everyone"? Some critics loved Veruca Salt; the ones that didn't, uh, maybe just didn't think they were any GOOD? Just a wild guess. I don't remember anybody hating them, though. I thought they were ok, I suppose. I think "Seether" finished pretty high in Pazz and Jop the year it came out. As for Albini/Urge, I have no idea what you mean. He produced their very first EP *Strange, I...* (1985 or so?), if I remember right. (I was one of the only critics on earth who heard it at the time, and I reviewed it in a very stupid way in the Voice, owing largley to a collaborative Albini/Katrud {or whatever his name was} project called Run Nigger Run, I believe. You can look it up if you want.) Urge's only real big critics record was *Saturation,* which yeah, lots of people (maybe even me) seem to agree was the best thing they ever did. So I don't know when this "turning against them" is supposed to have happened...

Stabbing Westward were really more a rock band (with some decent Led Zep steals!) than an industrial band, no matter who they tried to align themselves with (for logistical reasons etc) at the time.

Heard it?? I used to sing it in church!!! (And just 'cause Collective Soul's version doesn't "sound" like it per se doesn't mean it's not basically the same song, which is what I said up above. I guarantee those sons of preachers men sang it in church growing up, too.)

When Urge Overkill moved to a major label steve albini stopped talking to Nash kato(who was his old room mate) . Perhaps Ned will know more on this.

But I still have my pic sleeve 45 of Ratt's "Way Cool Jr." (only good song from that album tho) so I probably would think that.

well, yeah, that's completely OTM. but i'll happily take an album with five or six songs i love, even if i can't stand the other half of it.

Nah, I was never that much of a UO follower, and the only album I still have of theirs -- which I haven't listened to in a dog's age -- is Supersonic Storybook, an Albini job.

>I read their bio on allmusic and it said they were one of the most maligned acts of the time.<<

Veruca Salt??? Yeah, right! Tell that to Uriah Heep or Celine Dion!!

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Stone Temple Pilots, who have barely been mentioned on this thread, made quite a few excellent singles, somebody ought to point out. (And quite a few more "rocking" ones than those old ladies in Pearl Jam.)

I don't know, but I know that's the reason *I* started listening to the stuff in '88 or '89. Soundgarden around the time of Ultramega OK were one of my favorite bands because they sounded so much like Zep. Same thing with Nirvana; I just liked Bleach because I thought the riffs were good. I was still buying Motley Crue and Slayer albums too, though. I didn't get heavily into Uriah Heep until 1990 though.

destroy: rem, "monster"

anyway, it is interesting how STP's rep is getting rehabilitated these days innit?

That was my friend Greg's band! He's a cool guy. He used to have a band with Tom Monahan(sic?) who plays with pernice brothers called Closetfull Of Fear! They were industrial and noisy with a drum machine. Tom's a cool guy too. All the girls were in love with him. My friend Jim was in St.Johnny! Another post-grunge also-ran who some people liked.