So, should I try out to be in Courtney Love's backing band?

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kate i knew this thread was yours. go for it, i know you'll rock. don't think too much at this stage about the politics of being in Love's band. if you make it, it'll be a great ego boost, and then you can decide whether its a good career move.

di smith (lucylurex), Thursday, 1 May 2003 22:57 (twenty years ago) link

do it do it do it do it do it

electric sound of jim (electricsound), Thursday, 1 May 2003 23:02 (twenty years ago) link

Oh, just do it. I mean, you know what kind of madness to expect. Do a cover of the Gun Club's "Mother Earth", she'll hire you on the spot.

Arthur (Arthur), Thursday, 1 May 2003 23:06 (twenty years ago) link

everyone here is right. send it in. you have nothing to lose, if you get in, imagine how great it'll be, and even if it is difficult to get along etc, or you decide its not for you, you'll have had some fun along the way!

and dont worry about not getting it, you have a good chance i'm sure, and even if you don't get it, you'll have had a go. the failure is not failing at something, the failure is not trying, that is the ultimate failure. send in the tape and you'll have already done something good in itself, regardless of outcome

gareth (gareth), Friday, 2 May 2003 09:22 (twenty years ago) link

I mean, what else am I going to do with my life? Go back to university and study mathematics?
-- kate (********@*****), May 1st, 2003.

Don't do it! I know whereof I speak.

mei (mei), Friday, 2 May 2003 09:29 (twenty years ago) link

I mean, what else am I going to do with my life? Go back to university and study mathematics?

Your tone seems to be that the end of result of studying mathematics at uni is far less important that a life spent on the coat tails of Ms Love.
Guitar players may become more famous and make a lot more money and lead "cooler" lives than most people but I don't any serious person would consider their existence very important in any sense of the word.

Roman (Roman), Friday, 2 May 2003 10:51 (twenty years ago) link

Guitar players may become more famous and make a lot more money

with the emphasis on "may".

electric sound of jim (electricsound), Friday, 2 May 2003 10:52 (twenty years ago) link

Thanks for judging my "tone" so defensively, Roman. It was actually a serious consideration.

Going back to university has been something that has been on my mind a lot lately. Certainly that seems like a preferable option to rotting in this office.

kate, Friday, 2 May 2003 10:57 (twenty years ago) link

Guitar players are important. Art is just as important as Math. It just serves a different function.
Ok, carry on.

Sarah McLUsky (coco), Friday, 2 May 2003 11:22 (twenty years ago) link

Math is life, everything else is just details.

A Nairn (moretap), Friday, 2 May 2003 13:11 (twenty years ago) link

Touch my numbers. Maths is life.

kate, Friday, 2 May 2003 13:17 (twenty years ago) link

Courtney rocks, do it!

toraneko (toraneko), Friday, 2 May 2003 15:19 (twenty years ago) link

Yeah, do it kate!

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Friday, 2 May 2003 16:08 (twenty years ago) link

Fuck math, do astrophysics.

Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Friday, 2 May 2003 16:13 (twenty years ago) link

Art is just as important as Math.

Art is nice but not that important. You can survive without art, especially the dribble passed of as art.
Functional art like architecture is far more relevant than lilies on the pond.

Food and Glory, Friday, 2 May 2003 17:41 (twenty years ago) link

I mean to say that the entertainment industry is just as important as the maths and sciences. There must be a better way to say this. People need to be happy just as much as they need food or shelter. I think I'm digging myself a grave here.

Sarah McLUsky (coco), Friday, 2 May 2003 17:49 (twenty years ago) link

People need to be happy just as much as they need food or shelter. No... you're right in that happiness is surely a state prefereed to unhappiness and therefore important. I think there really is no debate there. It's just that certainly basics necessaities have to be taken care of before the "luxuries" of life can be enjoyed. Those of us fortunate to be blessed with the opportunity to enjoy these luxuries already have most of the other "important" things taken care of...

Thanks for judging my "tone" so defensively, Roman.

Kate, sorry for taking that "tone" but I didn't want to think that if your life took a turn towards a somewhat (arbitrarily) deeper career move, you would somehow feel inadequate and less important. This would clearly not be the case. Though I enjoy music immensely I do not think my life would have been wasted if I hadn't heard even half of the music I have listened to in my life.

Roman (Roman), Friday, 2 May 2003 18:46 (twenty years ago) link

AS I just said to nabisco on another thread, it's Friday afternoon and I don't feel like arguing.

By the way, does Ronan=Roman?

Sarah McLUsky (coco), Friday, 2 May 2003 18:57 (twenty years ago) link

Roman=Roman
and no one else.

Sarah,
I guess the entertainment industry is serious business to some but not to all of us. The Julia Robertses and George Clooneys of the world are important in a sense I do not fathom. Maybe you do.

Roman (Roman), Friday, 2 May 2003 20:22 (twenty years ago) link

As someone who has done a bit of one side of this equation, i.e. studying maths at university, had I the ability to try out to play with some pretty big star I'd have dumped the university even faster than, as it happens, I did anyway.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Friday, 2 May 2003 21:12 (twenty years ago) link

What does the world need more; a great mathematician or yet another crappy pop band led by an egomaniac? (ie Courtney doesn't deserve you)

hamish (hamish), Saturday, 3 May 2003 02:02 (twenty years ago) link

My SO thinks the above statement has to do with some warped form of feminism I adhere to but I assure you I would say the same thing if you had a male name.

hamish (hamish), Saturday, 3 May 2003 02:04 (twenty years ago) link

Well, that officially clinches it.

I just found out that my former bassist - you know, the one who was too busy "working on her house" to continue being in my band - says that she wants to audition.

That has officially destroyed any desire I ever had, ironic or not, to audition. Yeah, I fucking hope that she gets it, too. I think about 5 minutes of working with Courtney Love will make her realise that maybe I wasn't quite so bad after all.

I fucking hate the music industry. I fucking hate it so much. I hate the way that it turns former friends into enemies and rivals and I still can't stop myself from feeling angry. :-(

kate, Thursday, 8 May 2003 08:26 (twenty years ago) link

Oh come on Kate - why shouldn't she go for it too? Be charitable!

Dr. C (Dr. C), Thursday, 8 May 2003 08:28 (twenty years ago) link

OK, I re-read it and I misunderstood because I'm so defensive. She wasn't suggesting competing, she was suggesting we both try out for it. Ha ha ha! If anyone had a video of Little Death Machine, I'm sure we'd *both* be hired. I know from experience that we get along better if we both have someone to hate to keep us from each others' throats.

kate, Thursday, 8 May 2003 08:33 (twenty years ago) link

THAT GIRL KATE SHE'S A GENIUS FO' SURE / SHE FINGERSNAP HANDCLAPS FIZZ POP WHIRR / HOBBES-STYLE TIGER HUGS AND GOODWILL TO SHE / A BRAND NEW STALKER AND SHITE POETRY

Alex in Rotherham (alexfack), Thursday, 8 May 2003 08:39 (twenty years ago) link

Think of the satisfaction you'll have if you get it and she doesn't!

Matt DC (Matt DC), Thursday, 8 May 2003 08:39 (twenty years ago) link

Think of the desolation if she gets it and I don't, which is far more likely. :-(

kate, Thursday, 8 May 2003 08:42 (twenty years ago) link

b-b-b-but just imagine how many stories you'll have to tell the ILxors! it'll be like my Chris thread only we all know the stories' star!

M Matos (M Matos), Thursday, 8 May 2003 08:52 (twenty years ago) link

Tonya Harding to thread!

dave q, Thursday, 8 May 2003 08:59 (twenty years ago) link

i think any of the grrls that go should make sure
they take some cake.

piscesboy, Thursday, 8 May 2003 11:14 (twenty years ago) link

Kate, I think that if you want to try out, you still should.

Sarah McLusky (coco), Thursday, 8 May 2003 11:28 (twenty years ago) link

I think I'm wanting to try out less and less. And this provides a convenient excuse not to.

Or maybe I'm just severely depressed because we got the sales figures from our album today and we're even more unpopular (and therefore I'm even less talented) than I previously believed.

Can this week get any more crap? :-(

kate, Thursday, 8 May 2003 12:07 (twenty years ago) link

But kate - it's almost the weekend! Things can only get better.
I'm sorry the sales weren't very high. Do they play the lollies on the radio over there? Or maybe college radio?

Sarah McLusky (coco), Thursday, 8 May 2003 12:16 (twenty years ago) link

We sold less copies of the album than of the single, it seems. God, that's rubbish. No radio play, at least not national radio. There's no such thing as college radio here.

I really do feel like this is just final confirmation of my total talentlessnes. The sales figures have spoken. I truly am shit as a songwriter and a musician. I should just give up, burn any dreams I might have had left and go home. I will never be anything other than an office slob who hates her job.

I really just want to cry. Oh christ, I am crying. Time to go hide in the bathroom for a bit.

kate, Thursday, 8 May 2003 12:26 (twenty years ago) link

cheer up, kate, you managed to put out an album and single which could be the conclusion of a lot of people's dreams.

RJG (RJG), Thursday, 8 May 2003 12:30 (twenty years ago) link

oh kate, don't be so down! It makes me sad.

hstencil, Thursday, 8 May 2003 12:59 (twenty years ago) link

All those millions of promotional dollars for nought!

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Thursday, 8 May 2003 13:19 (twenty years ago) link

Kate, PLEASE cheer up. Or learn to count your blessings when you feel like this. You get so down sometimes you get incapable of seeing up: the EBA is coming! You have *strong musical allies*! You can play guitar *and* bass beautifully, just learn Gun Club and Bunnymen covers for the Courtney campfire to add to New Order ones. You know more about music than anyone else I know that would try out. I would never have forwarded the Courtney audition ad to you if I didn't think you would be good for the job (my only caveat is that CL might hijack the term DDB).

As to the cavilling about sales, talent and the rest: my first book never sold as well as it should have after I'd worked damned hard to make it good. Disappointing as that was, it still means a great deal to me to meet people six years later who not only bought it, but cherish it. At the time I was concerned that a) my PR wasn't doing enough with the contacts I gave her and b) the marketing department were even worse. Hence not very many sales after mostly brilliant reviews. If you beat yourself up over an apparent lack of interest, it only hurts you and kind of makes all the people who *did* go and see your gigs and buy the records feel a bit chopped liverish.

suzy (suzy), Thursday, 8 May 2003 13:20 (twenty years ago) link

What Suzy said, I thinks. :-) All them Lollies songs I have heard are all supercoolpopchewyfun! And despite what others might think, I do like fun. :-) Yay Kate and her coolness!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 8 May 2003 13:36 (twenty years ago) link

Well, not to further discourage auditioning, but I've talked to some people in the past who auditioned to be Hole's bass player. (This was early to mid 90s, now). Here was a sample of the interview process:

Courtney: "So, do you like the Ramones?".
My friend:"Well..(pause)... I think they are incredibly influential, though I don't listen to them every day, day in and day out,..."

My friend found out the desired answer was "No". She never got the gig. (based on that question alone, or other reasons, I have no idea)

donut bitch (donut), Thursday, 8 May 2003 18:52 (twenty years ago) link

Alex in NYC not to thread.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 8 May 2003 18:54 (twenty years ago) link

oh kate, don't be so down! It makes me sad.

Yes, Kate - Cheer up! Look at the Top 40, ferchrissakes, record sales do not correlate with talent! I love the Lollies tracks I've heard, and I know talent. And you're one of the most talented ILX posters! ;)

Nordicskillz (Nordicskillz), Thursday, 8 May 2003 19:06 (twenty years ago) link

haha Hole's version of ILX: instead of fill-outable text fields there are two radio buttons for every question:


Yes
No

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Thursday, 8 May 2003 19:09 (twenty years ago) link

(kate if you get the job be prepared to use the above template in all discussion with ms love, actually you will just need this one:
Yes
)

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Thursday, 8 May 2003 19:12 (twenty years ago) link

So, should I try out to be in Kate's backing band?

g--ff c-nn-n (gcannon), Thursday, 8 May 2003 19:15 (twenty years ago) link

As a (semi-professional) performer, the biggest problem I find with the "Sales are rubbish!" argument is that if you're actually trying to make a living, sales are actually more important than talent. Also, marketing aside, sales can be an indicator of how people are responding to your music. (Although it's a proportional thing; you have to look at the base of people you're reaching and correlate that with the number of people actually buying. If you sell 50 CDs out of 20 shops, that's better than selling 50 CDs out 2000 shops, etc etc.)

So, while I don't think you should let it get you down or discourage you, Kate, I can DEFINITELY empathize with where you're coming from. I also think you should audition for Courtney, if only for the opportunity to call her an asshat if she does something stupid.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 8 May 2003 19:24 (twenty years ago) link

She'll probably give you a quiz on spiritual beliefs as well. I believe she's one of those people who won't work with anyone who is not "spiritual".

Kerry (dymaxia), Thursday, 8 May 2003 19:45 (twenty years ago) link

I may be Spiritualized, but no way in hell I'm spiritual.

No, I've decided not to do it, for more reasons than I can outline. Not the least of which is, my gut reaction says "don't do it" and I'm trying to listen to my gut more. Hell, it's big enough.

I'm recording this weekend, I've decided to concentrate more on making music (even if it's just in my bedroom) that makes *me* happy, and stop trying to make a "career" out of music. You have to make too many sacrifices that I'm not prepared to make.

kate, Friday, 9 May 2003 08:12 (twenty years ago) link


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