2008 Primaries Thread

If I did my math right, the exit polls show Obama getting ~44.5% of the California vote.

were i still doing so, there's no shortage of op-ed toons i could collect expressing the BSRW hatred of McCain.

Romney out soon. (MSNBC)

of course, this ain't one of them, buuuuuuuut:

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i thought MO had been called for hillz?

This GE is going to be terrible, if it goes the way I fear it will.

nine

months

feel free

explore

you have an eternity

x-post -- Daniel, am I going to have to repeat my NINE MONTHS thing at you or what?

Yes, you are. Ned, we're in the same age range(-ish). Surely you have some sinking feelings based on how virtually every Presidential election in recent history has gone (Bill Clinton -- a singular political figure -- excepted).

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but here's some, just for fun

Please explain how Bill Clinton is a singular political figure and Barack Obama is not.

Obama might be. He isn't yet. I have great hopes for him.

AND HE WINS MISSOURI!

w00t

Daniel, assuming the worst is always healthy in situations like this -- I'd rather be pleasantly surprised than unpleasantly. I stick to my core belief, though, that the election is going to be decided by factors outside of the matchup of the candidates, and outside of their or anyone else's control. Right now I'm reasonably sanguine on that point -- right now.

red states in which the Dem vote exceeded the GOP vote - Colorado, Missouri, North Dakota, Tennessee

Yeah, cnn has obama leading by 5K in MO with ~2% left

I wish there was some way of knowing how much of the current CA count was made up of early votes.

AND OBAMA WINS ALASKA!

Politico has finally retracted their call on MO

Yeah, Clinton's doing so well in CA for the same reason she did so well in FL. A significant portion of the ballots they're counting are 2-3 week old early votes.

yeah, i was just about to post that. CNN has Obama winning, no GOP results for alaska yet.

xp: didn't like 5M absentee primary votes in california get sent in right after the NH primary?

wot a fuct beginning to a fuct odd system we have

guys karl rove is awesome on fox news

made a good point (dunno if it's been brought up here) about barack winning states that dems have a 0% chance of winning in the gen election

why? what;s the ministry of information have for us tonight?

xp

OH YEAH! TWO Cali counties for O

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Ned, is your Dad still a McCain fan?

total delegates so far as estimated by cnn:

clinton: 371
obama: 306

total delegates so far as estimated by fox:

clinton: 624
obama: 518

Ned, is your Dad still a McCain fan?

I'm trying to remember when I said he was! I've no doubt he admires McCain's service as a fellow Naval Academy grad and all but I don't ever recall him being a dedicated fan, honestly. He voted Nader in 2000 and is strongly considering Obama this time around. Voted Kerry in 2004 IIRC.

rove has an encyclopedic knowledge of voting trends and history and demo info etc. about nearly every county in every state and it was really interesting to hear what he had to say, both bcuz he's really fucking smart and bcuz it's interesting to hear what a republican that doesn't give a fuck about public perception (unlike hannity or wallace or whoever) thinks (this applies for ari fleischer on cnn as well).

Chris Matthews, speaking of Obama, brings up Robert Kennedy's assassination. Nice.

Chuck Todd projects that when CA is all accounted for, fewer than 10 delegates will separate them, not counting the supers

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obama wins states that Dems don't because he appeals to people who ordinarily wouldn't consider Dems

Rove's point still might not mean anything if only Ohio goes blue along with the '04 blue states this year. Just sayin' Shrug.

made a good point (dunno if it's been brought up here) about barack winning states that dems have a 0% chance of winning in the gen election.

You can say the same about McCain. Rove doesn't, tho, because he's a GOP strategist.

mccain can't win florida or california or missouri?

hillary won states she's lived in or states next door to them, states dominated by urban liberals, and a state dominated by old white folks and hispanics. obama won states with significant populations of independents, southerners, and rural folks.

I think some of you guys get turned on by fearing the GOP. Just admit it.

What I found really weird about the McCain hate on WABC was some of the specific reasons cited. I can at least sort of understand why someone might be attracted to the general conservative philosophy of small government and (the appearance of) every man for himself and low taxes and whatever. But they were calling out McCain's opposition to ANWR drilling and his support of McCain-Feingold. I mean is there really a significant constituency of voters out there who is frothing at the mouth to open up more natural areas to oil-drilling and has strong personal feelings that campaign contributions should not be limited? Or does Exxon-Mobil just like hand these hosts a list of talking-points stapled to a check?

yes

WHO ARE THESE PEOPLE?

or were you saying yes to the last question

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mccain can't win florida or california or missouri?

Look at the states he won today. He was swept in the South. He won the Northeast. Yes, he won California. That does soften the picture for him.

I think the lesson from all these delegate counts is that no one knows a fucking thing, really. I do wish they would start showing delegate counts w/o the superdelegates, though--seems like a concession to the Clinton camp.

Anyway, I'm going to go to bed and hope Cali looks better when I wake up.

anyway i'm not trying to play cpt save-a-rove, just saying he was a good talking head

He is a good talking (pin) head.

Rocked out with Ellison & Rybak tonight. Obama fever in MN. Way beyond expectations. Minneapolis killed!