Hip Hop taken to new levels.

i was retarded in this thread but it was one of the weirdest blount flipouts ever

This thread has actually prompted me to listen to The Infamous. Aw, there, see ddrake, aren't you happy now? Oh tell me you are happy! I cannot live without your approval!

-- Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, November 16, 2003 11:08 PM (4 years ago) Bookmark Link

lol

victory

yea, FOUR YEARS AGO

Is this thread like one of those contests, where the last one to take his hand off the truck wins $1000 or something? (Only explanation I could come up with why it's still so densely populated.)

-- Keith Harris (kharris1128), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 04:03 (4 years ago) Link

Sometimes I wish Keith had posted on ILX more, even though I know he always had better things to do.

The irony of the whole position you are taking here is it precludes us from any discussion on music...ever. Other than making each other aware of different performers. What is the point in arguing the relative quality of a recording when it is the listener's experience and context that decides whether it's worth hearing anyway?

lololololol @ deej taking the standard college freshman relativist position

What position should he take?

(Real question.)

It's still pretty dodgy though the way otherwise smart posters were compelled by deej-beef to defend point blank some incredibly patronising assumptions in the original post.

"But I've become compelled by the idea of experimental hip hop. I expect that a surge of really experimental rap would cause a backlash worse than the anti-prog backlash of the late seventies, but I really can care less about purity aesthetics. I just want to hear something new or innovative in the genre. I feel the genre is being held back by conservatism within the movement. This can change."

In what universe does any sentence in this paragraph (apart from the first and the last if read in isolation) make sense?

In the universe most of us live in.

o don't start it all up agin

I think some of the problem in the case of the original poster was to already have a mapped out idea of what this new form of "innovative" hip hop would take. Musical progress isn't linear. There's just too many known and unknown variables to synthesize. Its kind of like the Silk Road effect, but only its augmented by todays ultranetworked world.

If anything it's the word "experimental" that conjures up the bad images for me, at least. Ideas, even good creative ones taken from a wide variety of musical styles - but that are poorly digested and badly executed - don't pan usually don't pan out too well for any genre.

"don't usually pan out"

It late, alright. Get out of my marrow!

Lostandfound otm. what have I done? (jumps out window)

Did Dom Passatino really go look up a poster's personal information on the internet, and then come back to the thread with it giggling like a little fucking schoolgirl?

Unbelievable.

-- Broheems (diamond), Monday, 17 November 2003 05:42 (4 years ago) Link

dom googles people. it's fucked up.

omfg i've just read the entire thread...and it's goddamn familiar. most otm post = david a's near the end.

louis i wouldn't sweat it too much - deej caught sooooooooo much worse than this when he first popped up and dude is total one of the gang now. still - have you considered dissensus?

-- j blount (papa la bas), Monday, 31 July 2006 02:35 (1 year ago) Bookmark Link

I still prefer deej to you, to be honest.

James.
You are asking for whiter hip hop.
Admit it.

― ddrake, Sunday, November 16, 2003 10:54 PM (5 years ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

I own thousands of rock records in gazillions of genres

^^ dude is going to have a hell of a time with the "genre" tag if he ever imports these into iTunes

hahahaha oh this thread

Extended songs, with long organic instrumental sections and lyrics focused on the abstract or taken from already existing source material (say a book of nineteenth or twentieth century poetry)

Cecil Taylor vocals

You are asking for whiter hip hop.
Admit it.

racist

Dilute, my friends, dilute.

― ddrake, Sunday, November 16, 2003 10:06 PM (5 years ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

u guys missed how this sounds like "continue my friends ... continue"

er, continue my children ... continue

You might like Busdriver. Very wordy and clever. I love him - http://www.myspace.com/busdriver

Dangermouse is best known for being half of Gnarls Barkley, but his own work is great. Particular highlights include his album with MF Doom, the DM & Jemini album and his cut-up of The Beatles and Jay Z, The Grey Album.

A lot of stuff on Stones Throw records is worth investigating. Incandenza mentioned some but I'd also recommend the Lord Quasimoto album - http://www.last.fm/music/Quasimoto/The+Further+Adventures+of+Lord+Quas

I love Edan - seriously psychedelic. http://www.humblemagnificent.com/discography/discography.html

The ex-Company Flow guys - EL-P, Mr Len and, erm, the other one - make extremely dense, complex rap with doomy sci-fi storylines.

I think those are most of my recent favourites that don't involve the lyrical tropes you mention, or at least not much. Bear in mind that a lot of bragging hip hop is ludicrously cartoony and OTT, those guys aren't always serious - Kool Keith is a good example of someone who might seem obnoxious but is actually hilarious and ace.

Have fun.

Jay-Z's 'Kingdom Come' album was pretty good but not one of his best.
Wu Tang's '8 Diagrams' "come-back album last year was mint.
The Clipse album was pretty good.

'Aftershow Babies' by Cadence Weapon doesn't deal in the usual bling/guns/drugs stuff. Neither does 'Alopecia' by Why?

If you want something Anglicized and roughneck try The Bug's magnificent 'London Zoo' platter: a hyper mix of street beats, ragga, dub step and Jamaican inflected toasting/rapping/singing: "Nurse! Nurse! Call for de hearse!"

I like a bit of electro cross over like Yo Majesty and the like but shamefully, hip hop just doesn't excite me any more. I must be getting old.

I've heard people really singing the praises of Young Jeezy and Lil Wayne but I nothing of either.

I've just looked at Delicatemoth and if we're going back further than two years I'd heartily HEARTILY/PARTILY recommend Edan, Company Flow, Madvillian, MFDoom, King Geedorah . . .

I think Wu Tang might be a bit heavy for my tastes.
Like The Bug.
Like Cadence Weapon.
Going back for another Cannibal Ox listen.
Listened to Edan but can't remember if I liked it. Specific album reco on this one?

I know sweet f*** all about Hip Hop. I've cultivated a dislike for it over the years: it's all about swinging your dick/your gun/your bling. It's about bitches and hos. It's violent and misogynist. The artists are generally enormously egotistical jerks.

Here's what I've liked so far: The Streets 'A Grand Don't Come for Free' and MIA's Kala.

it's all about swinging your dick/your gun/your bling

poll thread time

Yo, yo, yo, yo
YO! Yo man, yo man
Check it out

My dick is so large, my dick is so large!
I can't even fuckin believe my dick is so large!
My dick is so large, my dick is so large!
I can't even fuckin believe my dick is so large!

[Jingle Bel]
Yes my dick, is longer than an Amtrak, train!
Runnin, from here, to Maine!
Nonstop - I rock rock and I shock
My dick is so big, that you can call the cops
You can call the National Guard, the Army and the Navy
But yo yo yo baby, my dick is really big
It's long, it's longer, it's longest, it's biggest
It's me, I even beat beat up the Jolly Green Giant with it
Cause his shit was smaller
I was standin off the edge of a bridge
and it was hangin in the water!! GOD DAMN MY DICK IS LARGE!
It's large, it's large, my shit is fuckin large!

My dick is so large, my dick is so large!
I can't even fuckin believe my dick is so large!
My dick is so large, my dick is so large!
I can't even fuckin believe my dick is so large!

[Spin 4th]
Ohhhhh my God, look at it comin, it's like a train
Oh no, what am I gonna do, oh shit
I gotta spread my legs for that big shit
It's like a wet wood, goin up ya real good
Oh my balls are big as a hill
You know you wanna stand on top of em and chill
like if you were some ??, but your ass is not
My dick is so large at cha, you ride it like a stretcher
So come on baby, get on top
And Daddy Daddy, Daddy do what he's got to do
Let me stick it up in ya
Hard.. LARGE!

Because my dick is so large, my dick is so large!
I can't even fuckin believe my dick is so large!
My dick is so large, my dick is so large!
I can't even fuckin believe my dick is so large!

*babbling nonsense*
LARGE!!!
*babbling nonsense*
LARGE!!!
*babbling nonsense*
GOD DAMN IT'S LARGE!!!
*babbling nonsense*
LARGE!!!
*babbling nonsense*
LARGE!!!
*babbling nonsense*
.. LARGE!

[Jingle Bel]
My dick is so large, my dick is so large!
I can't even fuckin believe my dick is so large!
My dick is so large, my dick is so large!
I can't even fuckin believe my dick is so large!

Now when you look up at the stars in the sky
It's really, the dandruff from my nuts, so fuck it
I got the rhymes and my rhymes are dope
My rhymes are so dope that you couldn't even hope
on my dick, my dick is like a telephone pole
Pole but it's bigger than that DAMN!
It's so big that you wouldn't believe if you saw it
You had to read it twice
You had to look at it three times and then watch it on TV
It don't even rhyme, but some don't believe me
My dick is so fuckin big, it's almost ridiculous
What the man say? He's large, ackinickulous
Even - God looked at me and said,
"Son, I blessed you very well, and you can go to Hell"
I pissed out the fires of Hell, so there you have it
My dick is so large that NOBODY CAN GRAB IT!!!!!

My dick is so large, my dick is so large!
I can't even fuckin believe my dick is so large!
(Yo how large is it?)
My dick is so large.. they get the point man
Damn, my dick is so large

*babbling nonsense*
LARGE!!!
*babbling nonsense*
LARGE!!!
*babbling nonsense*
LARGE!!!

[Damage]
I look up into the night
This is my left ball, the moon is on my right
If I got a dick you know it's gonna grow all night
Strifin and strifin like if you were a strike
on top of an Ampex two inch tape
I got the rhymes, and you know I can't complain
about my fuckin dick, it's so large it's a light pole
Or maybe like a microphone let it dangle dangle dangle
down your leg, then it's gonna climb and climb
into your dread, the dread go on top into your head
Now open that mouth wide bitch
Let me stick it in you so you know you're gonna twitch
What's that big bulge, comin out the back
of your fuckin neck, I think I'm goin for the crack
Bend right over, let me do like Rover
I'm gonna show ya, why they call me D'Ranged the Damage
Cause my dick is so large, my dick is so large
I can't even fuckin believe my dick gets so large
My dick is so large, my dick is so large
I can't even fuckin believe my dick is so large

Fade the music out, fade the music out man
Yo, fade the music out, fade the music out
Yo.. yo hold up man, hold up
My dick is so large.. the end is..
You have to.. give a moment of silence to that motherfucker

Gimme a book report on Blues People, Ned. Word.

we can probably close this thread now that kanye has taken hip hop to new levels

gershy i was 20

"If arguing with Geir is like punching Jello, arguing with ddrake is like punching stinky Jello that complains about your sense of humor as well and then gets bitter and hides."

OH NO HE DINT

stay classy my hongro:

James may just give up at once. If you are looking for good and actually musically sophisticated hip-hop, then that is not going to happen. And the responses in this thread show why. Hip-hop are doomed to stay shit forever, because the hip-hop audience has got this sick idea that musical sophistication is "white" (=bad).

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Monday, November 17, 2003 8:49 PM (7 years ago)

Geir Hongro is Bill O'Reilly.

lol deej, i never read this thread until last night

huh I had never read that Amiri Baraka WTC poem before. kinda sad.

holy shit this thread

The trend for normally sensible critics to give accolades to crappy mainstream rap albums continues, with Jay-Z, UGK, Ghostface Killah and Kanye West topping lists. You'd think from them that hip-hop has stopped evoloving and is curled up waiting to die. And please stop encouraging Lil' Wayne. Hitting one clever lyrical turn for every ten raps does not equal brilliance. Soon the market will be flooded by amateur tapes of rappers throwing every rhyme that falls off the top of their heads with no self editing whatsoever, because they know those white critics will eat anything up. Kanye West isn't totally horrible, as he always manages a couple decent singles. But if you actually listen to what else is out there, there's really no excuse. Artists like Dälek, El-P, Aesop Rock, Shape of Broad Minds, Oh No, Busdriver and Cloud Cult are actually pushing the art of hip-hop to new horizons, chipping away at the untapped vast potential for sounds. Oh No dug into Lebanese, Italian and Greek psych rock, and it's only the tip of the iceberg. Pharoahe Monch, Brother Ali, Black Milk and Little Brother showed it's still possible to make accessible hip-hop that's still powerful and relevant. Saul Williams, well, he's like that crazy uncle who freestyles at the family picnics. He's a little embarrassing, but still he speaks the truth.

ahah great thread

maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan I am into some backpacker shit and I TRIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIED being one of those dudes back in 2006 and after about 5 minutes of listening to albums made by dudes who shop at Whole Foods and rap about the filthiness of tap water I just longed for some ig'nant ass hip hop.

and what o_O examples for whatever writer that was to use! man Jay-Z can't spit at ALL, can he?

Artists like Dälek, El-P, Aesop Rock, Shape of Broad Minds, Oh No, Busdriver and Cloud Cult are actually pushing the art of hip-hop to new horizons

wait what the actual fuck? Cloud Cult? they are from here we played a benefit show with them they are like store-brand flaming lips!

bringing back that ol' new york rap:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMpOhwUTUwc

Ha, you called him out for that at the time.

cloud cult are a bunch of hippies from northfield.

you should check out some other cool hip hop acts like the flaming lips.

― M@tt He1ges0n, Thursday, January 3, 2008 2:17 PM Bookmark

high point of ILM imo