MBV Comeback.

I'll believe MBV is playing somewhere when I freaking see it. And does anyone really give a shit about Polvo any more? You mean they couldn't get the Swirlies?

haha the Polvo show in Chapel Hill sold out on presales a month in advance

Which generation HASN'T done this?

I guess, but the people getting excited to go see a bunch of people who haven't made any new music in ages come from the generation who Nelson Muntzed at oldsters going to see Clapton drag Layla out of the grave for the millionth time - for me, I don't care how good the band doin' the "here's the great music we made when we all were young!" was: if they're not making new music, it's sad & pernicious nostalgia

the new music often sucks though. why not just play what was good? this is what made the pixies shows so effective. yes it was a nostalgia trip, but they played that stuff better now than they did then.

anyway I'm looking forward to the Sweden Don't Look Back shows

John OTFM. Fuck a Smashing Pumpkins

That being said, I'm flying to London to see Public Enemy do Nation Of Millions, so I'm as guilty as anyone, I guess.

who says they're not making new music?

But the show is about an old record.

not to dissuadeyou from making me feel better about myself.

the first single off the last P.E. album was wonderful and totally slept on

the generation who Nelson Muntzed at oldsters going to see Clapton drag Layla out of the grave for the millionth time

Also pathetic because the generation immediately proceeding MBV, Meat Puppets, Pixes et al. is still producing interesting-to-amazing new stuff. A line-up of The Fall, Bad Seeds, Pere Ubu, Mission of Burma and Wire could get by on their aughts material.

That ATP lineup is fucking snoresville.

Uh, every generation does that too. Punks mocked the teddy boys for 50s R&R nostalgia, now all the old punk bands are playing again. SFW.

Snoresville is on the other side of the Catskills

Also pathetic because the generation immediately proceeding MBV, Meat Puppets, Pixes et al. is still producing interesting-to-amazing new stuff. A line-up of The Fall, Bad Seeds, Pere Ubu, Mission of Burma and Wire could get by on their aughts material.

yeah cosign with this esp. in re: Burma, those guys live now are a lesson in how to reunite without working the nostalgia side of the street

[the pixies] played that stuff better now than they did then

uh, no.

haha the Polvo show in Chapel Hill sold out on presales a month in advance

I was about to say that's really crazy, but I guess it's not really crazy in NC. Still, I find it hard to believe that there's a huge pent-up nostalgic demand to see Polvo in the public at large. Or at least, I would if Polvo wasn't one of the touchstones one of my friends was raving about when he saw the lineup.

I'm constantly vigilant about exactly what you're talking about above -- I hate JackFM and the whole "we'll play nothing but that awesome shit you grew up with 24 fucking 7" so this lineup (especially considering the really good chance that MBV is going to pull a baileroo) is only marginally more appealing to me than sitting at home and pulling out albums by Velocity Girl, Chapterhouse and the 24-7 Spyz. I mean, yeah, it would probably be a great concert but I'm not THERE any more.

xp old bands playing new stuff: sign me up for that if it's good, like MoB. But the new Meat Puppets stuff has been kinda meh.

I'm not THERE any more

And for me, there is 1998 at KUCI and looking at a lot of the playlists, based on this lineup. More than anything else I'm depressed by it. It's incredibly unadventurous.

do we know that more won't be announced?

yeah Nu Shooz and Glass Tiger are both gonna recreate the magic of their live albums

ok I'll stop now

Glass Tiger? Crap, now I gotta go to show my national prize. CURSE YOU JOHN.

Don't forget them when they're gone

My heart would break.

the four bands/peoples playing old album material have all put out new material recently. i would love to hear tortoise play 'djed' live

http://www.lizardtree.com/images/0701/hippyfireworks.jpg

i would love to hear tortoise play 'djed' live

:P

yeah big fuckin' deal if ppl wanna see some bands do some records they like.

i dunno, this idea that these fuckin' festivals are so goddamned important and need to show us the blinding crazy future of music seems stupider and more pernicious than nostalgia. nostalgia revolves around trying to have fun and enjoy something. handicapping festival lineups and shit and saying that some dumb rock show isn't doing it's TERRIBLY CRUCIAL JOB OF ESTABLISHING WHAT IS AND ISN'T THIS FICTIONAL IDEA OF THE VANGUARD seems more boring to me than anything.

dudes will probably go and have fun. if i were in the area or had more $$ i'd totally think about going. drink some overpriced beer and see some bands. i had a hella good time seeing joan jett at ribfest one year. i'd probably get crunk seeing built to spill do their best album if after a couple of MGDs.

grilling brats during MBV's reunion would be a pretty crewsh idea too.

izzat that you, whiney? you look excited

lol izzat that

i dunno, this idea that these fuckin' festivals are so goddamned important and need to show us the blinding crazy future of music seems stupider and more pernicious than nostalgia.

I don't want to argue this too much because I see your point, but the lineup for this really seems like the equivalent of a festival that features nothing but acts like Whitesnake, Poison, Steelheart, Cinderella and Dokken. Anything wrong with it? Probably not. Are we in danger of becoming our parents waving our fists in the air complaining about how much better music was in the 90s? Maybe.

Just to be clear: I'm not accusing anyone here of being that person waving their fists in the air, because I know ILX folks seem generally pretty engaged in what's going on today as well as what's happened in the past. But this lineup really seems calculated to appeal to a new generation of codgers.

But every musical subculture with any sort of longevity turns into a codger-producing factory -- either the standard bearers become hyper-vocal sticks in the mud, or the historians / canonizers beat the same old drum, or those that come later & sift through the rubble hold up their placards & dig in their heels.

OMG YOU'RE ONE OF *THEM*!!!

http://www.filminamerica.com/Movies/InvasionOfTheBodySnatchers1978/invasion23.jpg

Only by expelling the intruder can we properly enjoy Fuck Buttons oh wait.

(xpost geez Ned lay off the SUBMIT button)

You're Keith David. I'm Roddy Piper. Let's get it on.

What's your dream lineup for an MBV reunion festival?

MBV
Broadcast
Swervedriver
New Order
Husker Du
Josef K
Jesus Lizard
bIG fLAME
Minutemen
Birthday Party
Wire
Alan McGee dunking booth

(AKA fuck if I know)

Oh shit -- forgot about Scrawl, Small Factory, and Miles Davis peforming Kind of Blue for the token non-rock spot.

C'mon man, are you forgetting Tsunami and Mr. Mirainga?

sean i hear what you're saying.

it sucks that the years keep going by and by and all the cool new stuff becomes stale old stuff.

but personally, this is more just me, it's like the internet has kinda got me tired of the future. like it just seems like there is always good bands and bad bands, and it'll all sort itself out...i don't really see the idea of movements or revolutions or whatever as being that relevant anymore. it's just random ppl making stuff and some of it sticks and some of it doesn't....one day i might want to listen to black mountain or another day i might want to listen to buddy holly or guilty simpson or whatever.

everyone likes to think about the olden tymes. whether that meant you rocked tied dies and flares or mohawks or charlie brown t-shirts and converse. and why not? if the music was good and you want to see it again, that seems just as relevant anymore as like checking out be your own pet or lil wayne.

ok, the Rock Festival Hero video game is becoming less of a joke and really needs to happen.

it will use the much touted BOON-GA BOON-GA game engine.

Have you heard of Mr. Mirainga yet? If you havn't, you soon will. Slowly but surely, Mr. Mirainga is creeping into American homes. Mr. Mirainga (Mer-aine-gay) made their stunning debut with an EP titled Fuck The Scene. Now out comes their debut self-titled album, and it's already turning people's heads. The song "Burnin' Rubber" is on the Ace Ventura 2: When Nature Calls. This song burned its way straight up Billboard's Modern Rock Tracks. And now with the Adam Sandler-meets-Rancid single "Baglady", Mr Mirainga will be around a while.

Some of their favorite bands are the Sex Pistols, Black Flag, and The Clash. These punkish influences show up in songs like "57 South" and "Waterdog". Keeping with the punk tradition, only 5 of the 15 songs are above three and half minutes.

Then again, these guys aren't from the New York punk scene. According to bassist Hedge, "We're not part of any scene in particular. We are an Arizona band." Being so close to Mexico, some of those mamba-samba sounds have seeped into Mr. Mirainga's music - such as the wonderfully Latin "Saguarro's Cryin'", and sometimes even fusing the two as in the song "Jalopeno Eyes" - pronounced as it looks, not as pronounced in Spanish.

A little pop-punk, a little bit salsa and that's Mr. Mirainga. They're on tour with God Lives Underwater - a show not to be missed.

NB: I resisted listing Tsunami for reals because of my shamless Simple-Machines-fanboy past.

Adam Sandler-meets-Rancid

Punky Gilmore

but personally, this is more just me, it's like the internet has kinda got me tired of the future. like it just seems like there is always good bands and bad bands, and it'll all sort itself out...i don't really see the idea of movements or revolutions or whatever as being that relevant anymore. it's just random ppl making stuff and some of it sticks and some of it doesn't....one day i might want to listen to black mountain or another day i might want to listen to buddy holly or guilty simpson or whatever.

you M don't misread me, I agree with what you're saying here - I am totally in favor of old bands still working, and I don't say they have to be always innovating. (It'd be pretty ripe for me to be the guy demanding that bands always be branching out, right?) But it's this revivalism that icks me out - like, if, I don't know, MBV doing Loveless turned out to be Shields playing all the songs on a Fender Rhodes and singing the words clearly, that'd be interesting and different. But "great bands performing their classic albums" - when the bands and albums in question were iconoclastic signal moments whose very motivations, in some cases, were the tearing down of dwelling-in-the-past modes of thinking - well, y'know, it's like I'm sure that last Sex Pistols tour was a fine rockin' time, but how sad for it to have come to that. You know? It's not that I ONLY want CONVULSIVE! INNOVATION! - fuck dude I listen to death metal, that shit has been stagnant for ages and I like it that way - but (and I say this as an old dude!) once you start making a point of reliving the past, it's just strikes me as really conservative.

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Slow day at work, active MBV thread...

LOL

I'd pay $12 to see The Mountain Goats (w/ Rachel!) perform... Sweden.