― chuck, Thursday, 20 November 2003 23:35 (twenty years ago) link
haha that was BOOM
― mookieproof (mookieproof), Thursday, 20 November 2003 23:41 (twenty years ago) link
Heh, true. Mind you, this was mostly based on their boring live shows opening up for among others Front 242 (who I KNOW you hate, I admit ;-)). I just remember the lead dude screaming while wearing leather chaps, which wasn't as cool to my mind as Carla Bozulich doing the same thing in Ethyl Meatplow.
the dividing line *always* exists
One can exist but it is never fixed. I think its fluidity is actually the best reason for its potential existence.
You already KNOW it's my opinion, right? Jeez.
Well, yeah, but if we're going to use words like 'pop' without specifying what exactly it means then all anyone would ever do is talk at cross-purposes, and maybe that's all that can be done anyway. You dislike a band for not being poppy, I think they're plenty pop, nobody is right and therefore we just...talk. Which, again, is no bad thing.
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 20 November 2003 23:41 (twenty years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 20 November 2003 23:48 (twenty years ago) link
STP are one of the best singles bands of the 90's. BIG DUMB FUN. Purple was also pretty damn great and essential to my pre-pubescent experience. The lyrics are utter shit BUT THE RIFFS, MAAN... 'EY PUMMEL... The first rock band I fell in love with at the tender age of 9. SCREW ALL Y'ALL, BIYATCHES!
― Francis Watlington (Francis Watlington), Friday, 21 November 2003 00:15 (twenty years ago) link
It's funny that this comes up, because this week I pulled out the old NIN cds for the first time in at least a year and a half, and I was happy that all of my favorites ("Closer," "Into The Void," "Suck," "Heresy," "March of the Pigs," "The Perfect Drug," "Where Is Everybody?") still sounded pretty good. I can't listen to NIN for more than a half hour at a time, though. I reach my threshold very quickly, and I probably won't listen to NIN again for another year probably. But it's okay. It's good stuff. Sometimes it feels nice to feel 14 again, the further you get away from that time.
― Matthew Perpetua (Matthew Perpetua), Friday, 21 November 2003 14:42 (twenty years ago) link
― Matthew Perpetua (Matthew Perpetua), Friday, 21 November 2003 14:43 (twenty years ago) link
― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Friday, 21 November 2003 22:22 (twenty years ago) link
― chuck, Friday, 21 November 2003 22:30 (twenty years ago) link
― Gear! (Gear!), Friday, 21 November 2003 22:36 (twenty years ago) link
― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Friday, 21 November 2003 22:38 (twenty years ago) link
― chuck, Friday, 21 November 2003 22:39 (twenty years ago) link
― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Friday, 21 November 2003 22:40 (twenty years ago) link
― chuck, Friday, 21 November 2003 22:45 (twenty years ago) link
I mean, it's not like I've been defending LIVE or anybody. (Now THERE'S a band who deserves lots of blame for '90s alt rock radio...)
― chuck, Friday, 21 November 2003 22:52 (twenty years ago) link
If only they were Sparks.
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 21 November 2003 22:53 (twenty years ago) link
― Matthew Perpetua (Matthew Perpetua), Friday, 21 November 2003 22:54 (twenty years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 21 November 2003 22:54 (twenty years ago) link
― chuck, Friday, 21 November 2003 22:56 (twenty years ago) link
― Matthew Perpetua (Matthew Perpetua), Friday, 21 November 2003 23:01 (twenty years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 21 November 2003 23:03 (twenty years ago) link
Though I'll take "Jeremy" over all the early STP bloaters, it's got more drama & crescendo-action.
― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Friday, 21 November 2003 23:03 (twenty years ago) link
― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Friday, 21 November 2003 23:04 (twenty years ago) link
Well, my point wasn't merely predicting that they'd HAVE a best of album! It was in my 500 (really 600) top metal albums book; I said that once STP put one out, it would probably DESERVE to be in the book (at least if it included four specific songs, two of which, as I mention above, it DOESN'T have by the way). But they had no albums at the TIME that I thought were good enough. Hope that makes sense....
― chuck, Friday, 21 November 2003 23:09 (twenty years ago) link
― chuck, Friday, 21 November 2003 23:11 (twenty years ago) link
― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Friday, 21 November 2003 23:11 (twenty years ago) link
― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Friday, 21 November 2003 23:12 (twenty years ago) link
Hey, I live with some very extinct books, I know the feeling!
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 21 November 2003 23:13 (twenty years ago) link
Chuck spake: Gravity Kills? -- they were doing the industrial rock thing as pop metal, pretty much -- Alex in NYC (or Alex in Manhattan, sorry, I always forget which) should really check out "Falls Apart," which sounds kinda like Killing Joke.
It's not Alex in Manhattan, it's Alex in MAIN-hattan, which is a town in Germany, I believe, and we are two entirely different individuals.
Gravity Kills? I get them all mixed up with Stabbing Westward and God Lives Underwater and all those other sub-NIN bands. I can't remember if it was Gravity Kills or Stabbing Westward who opened for Killing Joke in `94, but in any event they were dire. Moreover, with the possible exception of late, lamented and missing-in-action band Belfegore, I'm not really interested in bands who sound like Killing Joke. I mean, why eat beef jerky when you could eat Filet Mignon, eh?
As far as the Stone Temple Pederasts go,...well, I mean, it's kinda the same thing. Why would someone waste time listening to STP when thy could opt for the definite article? Sure, they wrote the occaissional decent tune (I didn't mind "Vaseline," and "Sex Type Thing" does have a great riff), but I'd much prefer to listen to, say, Soundgarden. Also, way too much drama in that band....and not even interesting drama at that.
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 21 November 2003 23:16 (twenty years ago) link
― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Friday, 21 November 2003 23:18 (twenty years ago) link
― chuck, Friday, 21 November 2003 23:19 (twenty years ago) link
― chuck, Friday, 21 November 2003 23:21 (twenty years ago) link
Sounds like a rule I'd agree with, Chuck. And yes...both of those videos (Belfegore's manic clip for "All that I Wanted" and the backwards Japanese guy eating in the God Lives Underwater clip) can induce nauseau.
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 21 November 2003 23:24 (twenty years ago) link
― miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Friday, 21 November 2003 23:34 (twenty years ago) link
― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Friday, 21 November 2003 23:37 (twenty years ago) link
If I could go back in time, I'd tell 15-year old me that someday he would realize Sixteen Stone was better than Nevermind, just to see the look on my/his face.
― miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Friday, 21 November 2003 23:39 (twenty years ago) link
That's ten songs right there. They'd probably include the failed follow-up singles from the last two records and a new song or two, I'm sure.
They really should put out a NIN best-of. That'd be good...it'd be something like this, probably - Head Like A Hole, Down In It, Sin, March of the Pigs, Closer, Hurt, Wish, Happiness In Slavery, Suck, Burn, Perfect Drug, Into the Void, We're In This Together. That's pretty tight. They'd probably find a way to fuck it up, though.
― Matthew Perpetua (Matthew Perpetua), Friday, 21 November 2003 23:40 (twenty years ago) link
(I will not bring up "Starfuckers" because that song is SHITTY SHITTY.)
― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 21 November 2003 23:41 (twenty years ago) link
I've always hated "Terrible Lie."
― Matthew Perpetua (Matthew Perpetua), Friday, 21 November 2003 23:42 (twenty years ago) link
― chuck, Friday, 21 November 2003 23:42 (twenty years ago) link
― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 21 November 2003 23:45 (twenty years ago) link
How does that line go about the devil wanting to fuck him in the back of his car?
― Matthew Perpetua (Matthew Perpetua), Friday, 21 November 2003 23:46 (twenty years ago) link
Nothing quite like the feel of something new.
― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 21 November 2003 23:51 (twenty years ago) link
― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Saturday, 22 November 2003 00:08 (twenty years ago) link
pitchfork's reminds me of some of my friends.
― AaronK (AaronK), Monday, 15 March 2004 19:48 (twenty years ago) link
My fuckin' doorman gave me a CD-R of Velvet Revolver a couple of weeks back, and if I'm not mistaken sports a Stone Temple Pilots tattoo (the boy needs lots of help). While I cannot really understand how people could get that into the shenanigans of the Stone Temple Pilots, I did -- in all fairness -- find myself quite enjoying an airring of "Down" back to back with "Vaseline" whilst fruitlessly searching for an elusive Coil disc at the Virgin Megastore yesterday (gosh, I'm so pathetic -- in my attempt to confess a guilty pleasure, I feel the strenuous need to point out that I was searching for an arguably much hipper disc....god, I'm such a fucking cliche). In any event, I must concede that STP did have a way with big fuckin' hooks.
I'll still take Soundgarden's "Big Dumb Sex" over their "Sex Type Thing" any day of the week (though it does have a damn nice riff).
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 8 April 2005 17:04 (nineteen years ago) link
― Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Friday, 8 April 2005 18:45 (nineteen years ago) link
― john'n'chicago, Friday, 8 April 2005 23:07 (nineteen years ago) link
― joe schmoe (joeschmoe), Sunday, 28 August 2005 15:58 (eighteen years ago) link