Defend the Indefensible: psychologically raw films about sexual obsession

plus The Dreamers, which is THE WORST MOVIE EVER

I think I liked this.

Idiots is the ultimate rebel against bourgeoisie and praising the individualism movie, thats why

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say it ain't so, Hoos, say it ain't so

have never seen the Idiots but Zeno's description makes it sound like it was designed by robots specifically so that i would hate it

it's a one trick pony of a movie, but it's the best Dogma example probably

(though it has only one explicit sex scene, a porno like orgy)

Prove me wrong, but from what I've seen, any movie that thinks it's high art and also wants to titillate you is going to be faintly ridiculous (at best). cf. "Henry and June"

I can't remember the exact quote or who said it, but it's something like, "There's nothing as fascinating as your own sexual fantasies, and nothing as absurd as someone else's."

how is that Lukas Moodysson movie - a hole in my heart?
havent seen it, though i very much like the other that i saw

'consensual rape', that's a good one

(credit where due -- stole that from Nick Cave. "All we wanted was a little consensual rape in the morning and maybe a bit more in the evening.")

somewhat relevant observations:

Diane Lane is really good in Unfaithful. The movie itself, meh.

Exotica by Atom Egoyan is always stocked in those sections in video stores though it isn't quite a "sexual thriller" or whatever. It's good.

Good "sex movies": Don't Look Now and Late Marriage (recent semi-obscure foreign flick with one of the best, most natural sex scenes ever.)

maybe Sex & Lucia??

Mr. & Mrs. Smith

I probably give some of these types of films too much the benefit of the doubt.

yeah exotica isn't anything like any of these, despite the american cover art

There were a lot of this kind of films people would rent at a video store where I worked, I think just bcz they were too embarrassed to go into a porn store? Bcz they were obv just looking for boobies. Popular ones:

• Sex & Lucia (has 'sex' in the title)
• Caligula (I kind of felt for these soon-to-be-disappointed thwarted masturbators)
• Wild Things
• Naked Tai-Chi

Okay maybe only one of these counts as title question?

exotica is bullshit!! canadians into strippers? and a rare animal smuggling ring? is that what happens, i don't remember. and the dialogue is like an episode of dr. katz.

does à nos amours belong on this thread? it's really good

the only other film mentioned here i can recall seeing is closer (barf)

Good "sex movies": Don't Look Now and Late Marriage (recent semi-obscure foreign flick with one of the best, most natural sex scenes ever.)

maybe Sex & Lucia??

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late marriage is amazing, cool tosee someone cite it here

are we talking about films like Porky's

OTM on Late Marriage's sex scenes, I still remember them pretty vividly despite only having seen it once in the theater. Wow, that's a pretty forgotten little movie... from SEVEN years ago, holy crap.

Don't Look Now... I'm not really down with that one, but I remember being really annoyed at the staging of the clumsy sex scenes when I was watching it.

Yeah, it was all "WOW REALISTIC SEX" at the time, hmm, realistic bouncy castle more like!

maybe Sex & Lucia??

I always liked its foreign title more, which was "Lucia y El Sexo". I keep imagining there being some guy, possibly a superhero, who is known as El Sexo.

So, nothing to do with http://www.lovefilm.com/lovefilm/images/products/6/16336-large.jpg then?

tie me up tie me down - almodovar
dont move - with penelope cruz.

Exotica is amazing - esp. with it's buildin- narrative techniques, where everything that starts blurry comes together neatly tied in the end.best in second viewing.

Sex & Lucia only had quite a lot of sex in the first half hour or so right? Then it settles down after that, from what I remember, to tell its story.

Caught a bit of The Dreamers on TV a couple of nights ago and it seemed much better 2nd time around. I think I saw more connections between the outside and the inside.

The Piano Teacher is not that strange given Haneke's bio (he ws thinking of becoming a classical musician wasn't he?), its just about the world of the conservatoire and the life that ppl can potentially love out in that world (or at least it plays to certain stereotypes of it)

In the Realm of the Senses is a very great movie. I must read the BFI book on it (and I want to see Cruel Story of Youth, which came out recently on DVD)

So far in, and no Shortbus?

From the perspective of living in France, where even the yoghurt ads on TV tend towards the erotic, the question is rather why there are so few naked bodies in American movies? Personally I'd go for more sex and nudity and less violence.

fuck you, how's that for more sex?

I don't have the faintest what "cauterizing the senses" might involve but relationships that 1) were genuinely dangerous to my physical health and 2) did a fucking number on my identity, umm, yeah, anybody who hasn't had one or two of those hasn't really lived IMO

So, can we go back to this and point out how ridiculously untrue this is?

that HBO series "Tell Me You Love Me" i kinda likes it though.

you haven't lived until you've had somebody tell you that you haven't lived

"Shortbus" is the worst movie I have ever seen in my entire life. I think when one of the characters mentioned 9/11 steam started shooting out of my ears cartoon style.

I don't think "The Idiots" fits the bill here at all. I like "The Idiots," I just don't think it's this type of movie.

I forgot "Late Marriage" existed until seeing it mentioned on this thread and remembering what an amazing movie it was.

I think the sex scenes in these movies are always really funny, where people smash shit/knock stuff off tables/rip clothes off/gasp for breath. It never, ever, ever seems the least bit sexy.

I'd take any interchangeable Shannon Whirry/Shannon Tweed/Andrew Stevens "Animal Intstincts" "Body of Influence" "Mirror Images II" 90s VHS erotic thriller over any of these.

What about "Betty Blue"? People seem to have both a literal and intellectual boner for that movie. I didn't really get it, though.

It could happen.

i liked shortbus a lot but it doesn't have anything to do with this thread.

swimming pool had HQ boobage, love that flick. i didn't really "get it" though.

i liked secretary! it played s&m psychology for laffs, and it turned 'touching' and even sappy.

secretary is a great movie

I haven't really lived, apparently. I KNEW IT!

The first film that came to mind is Roeg's disturbing Bad Timing.

really, most of my "relationships" (God, I hate that usage) have been called off bcz I'm all NO DRAMA, plz. Haven't got the time.

If he was really hot I might cut more slack.

The Center of the World is OK and has a woman putting a lollipop in her yinyang.

Fear, with Marky Mark and Reese Witherspoon, is the best movie about the 90s.

i have seen this fear

It's like Urban Outfitters and the Gap fighting for this teenage girl's soul.

quite a roller coaster ride, as i recall

zactly, my man, that's a good sex scene.

i need to see late marriage again. not that it really belongs on this thread

woah it's molly parker in center of the world?! that's goin on the q

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