2008 USP(G)ET pt. II: counting the days to 2012 primary thread 1

Possibly related, totally bullshit:

But today, the day before (Gwen) Ifill is to moderate the vice-presidential debate between Sarah Palin and Joe Biden, a conservative Web site made an issue of the book, which quickly ricocheted onto the Drudge Report. "VP Debate Moderator Ifill Releasing Pro-Obama Book," said the headline on World Net Daily picked up by Drudge.

http://www.slate.com/id/2201318

palins accent is Wasillan

Ladies and gentlemen, the Sarah Palin flute video has arrived.

Oh, that OTHER time at band camp

oh grampa

Has this one been posted yet?

hilarious

LOVE the old woman swatting her husband's hand down re: voting for McCain. AWESOME

what van halen song is that (xxxxxp)

lol, she even sucks at the flute

Yeah, gabbneb. That's exactly what I was thinking about as I watched all of that clip.

Nothing else whatsoever.

Katie Couric: Do you consider yourself a feminist?

Sarah Palin: I do. I believe that women certainly today have every opportunity that a man has to succeed.

uh

The Ifill Attack

01 Oct 2008 01:30 pm

It's straight out of Rove. Attack the debate moderator. The best that can happen from the Rove-Schmidt point of view is that Ifill softens her questions to Palin out of fear of being smeared by the McCain camp, as they have tried to smear me and any other journalist doing their job. The worst is that Ifill does not get intimidated, asks tough questions, and then gets the post-debate spin by the GOP focused on her, not Palin. It helps too that Ifill is black: it shores up the racist vote McCain needs to win.

Why not ask Couric instead? Or Campbell Brown? It should be a woman. And removing Ifill will only help black turnout. But I really miss Tim Russert right now, don't you?

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Debategate

Like Andrew Sullivan, I think that the Obama campaign has little to lose and everything to gain by encouraging the CPD to have Gwen Ifill to pull out of moderating the VP debate.

It's not that the right's critique isn't utterly transparent, but media backlash was one of the principal dynamics in motivating the Palin bounce in the first place.

But there's another factor here too. In preparing for a debate, you are often preparing nearly as much for the "judge" or moderator as for the opponent. Both campaigns probably have a pretty good idea of what types of questions she is likely to ask, how he is likely to ask them. Palin and Biden have undoubtedly watched videotapes of Ifill moderating the 2004 debate between John Edwards and Dick Cheney.

By changing the moderator, you're throwing everyone a curveball, and catering to the candidate who is better able to adapt on the fly. Which, most likely, is not going to be Sarah Palin.

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first post was by sullivan btw

The worst is that Ifill does not get intimidated, asks tough questions, and then gets the post-debate spin by the GOP focused on her, not Palin.

haha, yeah that'll help the GOP a lot. lol

maybe they can trot out Imus to call her "a cleaning lady" again

via halperin:

New national numbers find McCain is losing female voters “faster than Sarah Palin attracted them after the Republican convention.”

Among women: Obama 55, McCain 38.

After McCain picked Palin they were virtually tied Obama 48, McCain 47. Before GOP convention Obama led 49 to 39.

Dates conducted: Sept. 26-29. Error margin: 3 points.

multi-xpost: Mordy, I posted that vid last night, but a repost was definitely necessary because no one seemed to notice it and it is COMPLETELY AMAZING

Yeah, gabbneb. That's exactly what I was thinking about as I watched all of that clip.

are you suggesting that i don't get the band-camp funnies? i'm a lot more interested in her laughable if-i-put-my-mind-to-it-i-can-compete-on-any-stage-ism.

xpost That's the one where the guy does the informal poll in the diner and everyone raises their hand for Obama and the guy sez "it's very close' and then you can hear everyone laughing the background, right?

yeah he says it's 'split'

U.S. Military: Russia is not a threat. Ok Palin whatevs

(p.s. "Associated Pressz"?)

That zone is where there has been increased Russian bomber exercises, about 20 in the past two years.

EPIC GRAMMAR FAIL

it looks like the only two people raise their hands: the old guy who's wife pushes his hand down and then raises it again for Obama... and the Fox News correspondent (it's sort of off-camera, but you can tell it's him) LOLOLOLOLL!!!

and then the everybody in the restaurant chuckless, presumably when Fox dude suggets "it's split, maybe little heavier for Obama"

perfect.

okay that Scranton clip is pretty great

they are trying to capture the daily show audience

Larison's last few posts are of interest. He's already talking about what happens after the GOP gets pummeled in November.

hahaha Jeb Bush what a fucking joke

the Bush brand has been completely destroyed thx to Dubya

not destroyed, mostly just trimmed, but it always grows back, scratchier than before

Jeb Bush v Obama in 2012 would be epic

Dubya's only gonna look worse as the year's go on, come on now. Both Bush's were fairly large failures (and what's Jeb gonna do, propose going to war with Iraq for a THIRD time?)

years

do not underestimate the American love of a comeback

John Travolta, yes. Jeb Bush, no.

thats what they said about nixon

I bet Don Wiener's balls Jeb Bush will not successfully run for president, if he runs at all

Nixon's daddy and brother were not two of the most widely reviled failed presidents of the previous two generations

it looks like the only two people raise their hands: the old guy who's wife pushes his hand down and then raises it again for Obama... and the Fox News correspondent (it's sort of off-camera, but you can tell it's him) LOLOLOLOLL!!!

― flyover statesman (will), Wednesday, October 1, 2008 3:55 PM (51 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

ok i didn't notice the fox news correspondent raised his hand for mccain, roffle

Unlike in ‘64, McCain’s nomination was not the product of a bitter intra-party battle that started to change the character of the GOP but was instead an almost default acquiescence to the heir apparent out of a lack of enthusiasm for the alternatives.

Not sure I buy this? It's the dissatisfaction with McCain (and the splits within the party he's opening with missives like "Georgetown cocktail party conservatives") that's changing the character of the party, but it's changing nonetheless and I think we might be dealing with a different GOP in 2012.

GOP as we know it is done.

which was fairly clear during the primaries

http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/images/2008/10/01/photo0058.jpg

lol Texans

http://bagnewsnotes.typepad.com/bagnews/images/Ron-Paul.jpg

this has probably been posted before but I don't care

crying_in_the_elks_lodge.jpg

i think once this is all over we need an epic IMAGES ONLY election wrap-up thread

http://thepage.time.com/2008/10/01/more-data-shows-obama-battleground-strength/