Dave Matthews Band : Name Your Reasons Why They Are So Bad & Hated.

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I've always suspected that the average humanoid doesn't gain useful musical taste until after the age of 15 (hence the existence of Kiss, the Knack and the Insane Clown Posse), and loses it after the age of 40. (hence the existence of Neil Diamond, Michael Bolton and Celine Dion.)
Does anyone think this notion might have a genuine basis in nuerochemistry or is that the Michael Bolton fans were ALWAYS sans-taste motards?

(side question: and why does Jaz have a wedge of lime stuck to the side of his hand?)

Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Tuesday, 10 June 2003 13:22 (twenty years ago) link

yet more generalizing from custos shockah!

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Tuesday, 10 June 2003 13:44 (twenty years ago) link

I formed my ICP love at age 22. (Granted it faded a lot by age 28 but _Ringmaster_, _Riddlebox_ and the attendant EPs are all still fantastic.)

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 10 June 2003 13:51 (twenty years ago) link

why does Jaz have a wedge of lime stuck to the side of his hand?

When the apocalypse comes, you don't want to be caught without your limes.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 10 June 2003 13:52 (twenty years ago) link

hahaha, you'll get scurvy!

Jon Williams (ex machina), Tuesday, 10 June 2003 13:55 (twenty years ago) link

yet more generalizing from custos shockah!
Well, thats *is* my theory. If you think it's incomplete, please enlighten us to how you modify it to bring it closer to your vision of reality.

Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Tuesday, 10 June 2003 13:59 (twenty years ago) link

But Custos 95% of ILM is in those brackets and at least 60% of us have shit taste. How do ya splain that?

Yanc3y (ystrickler), Tuesday, 10 June 2003 14:00 (twenty years ago) link

I discovered Duran Duran at about 12 or 13. And Duran Duran made me the person I am today!

kate (kate), Tuesday, 10 June 2003 14:04 (twenty years ago) link

Brain interference caused by cosmic rays?

Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Tuesday, 10 June 2003 14:04 (twenty years ago) link

Brain interference caused by cosmic rays?
(xpost)

I discovered Duran Duran at about 12 or 13. And Duran Duran made me the person I am today!
In my book that means you have good taste.

Waitasec? 60%? How'd you come up with that figure, Yanc3y?

Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Tuesday, 10 June 2003 14:06 (twenty years ago) link

I discovered Duran Duran at about 12 or 13. And Duran Duran made me the person I am today!
In my book that means you have good taste.

But then I've disproved your theory because I gained that taste at a tender age too young to register on your radar! (Maybe girls mature earlier? Oh no, because hence the existence of gloop like 5ive, etc.)

kate (kate), Tuesday, 10 June 2003 14:12 (twenty years ago) link

Though on second thought, I quite like that one 5ive song with the TV's in the video...

kate (kate), Tuesday, 10 June 2003 14:15 (twenty years ago) link

I think girls mature faster than boys because as adolescents they get earlier access to boobs.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 10 June 2003 14:17 (twenty years ago) link

5ive has videos???

Jon Williams (ex machina), Tuesday, 10 June 2003 14:25 (twenty years ago) link

Yarrrrrrr... I was terrified by the giant skyscrapers as projection screens one for "We Will Rock You".

Are we talking about the same band? Brit boyband from about 3 or 4 years ago?

kate (kate), Tuesday, 10 June 2003 14:26 (twenty years ago) link

Same band. They just played a house show in Rhode Island 12 years ago that someone told J-Dub about, and now he's convinced they're hardfuckingcore with masks & sheeit, yo!

Yanc3y (ystrickler), Tuesday, 10 June 2003 14:28 (twenty years ago) link

Someone named "5ive" played at a mill show last summer. I was really drunk and impatient with them.

Jon Williams (ex machina), Tuesday, 10 June 2003 14:31 (twenty years ago) link

12 years ago, the brit boyband 5ive would have been, oh... 10?

kate (kate), Tuesday, 10 June 2003 14:33 (twenty years ago) link

Once a neighbor of mine who was a tennis player got a new CD player for his Volvo. He told me and a friend to check it out. We sat in the car and he showed off his new system by playing Led Zeppelin. I was like, "Sounds alright to me."

Then he popped in a Dave Matthews Band CD. He said, "Ya know, Dave Matthews Band is just good fucking music, man."

"Just good fucking music, man."

I didn't like it one bit.

Not one bit.

Cub, Tuesday, 10 June 2003 14:42 (twenty years ago) link

This thread is getting too unweildly to load for my poor, outdated, wheezing computer. Thus, I must excuse/recuse myself from this debate from this point further. If anyone wants to start up a sequel thread or something, I'm all for it. Until such time, however, my final word on the subject: The Dave Matthews Band is comprised of, in all probability, perfectly kind, considerate, intelllient, compassionate human beings with all the best of intentions, but their music is still dull as dishwater. I don't decry anyone's right to listen to and enjoy it, but just don't try to tell me how fuckin' great it is.....`cos it ain't.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 10 June 2003 16:00 (twenty years ago) link

Someone wrote on the Eagles CorD thread that the Eagles combined the worst qualities of pop (mindless formulaic drivel-ness) with the worst of rock (bloated self-importance). The DMB are like what you get when you combine the worst of pop, rock and jazz.

My name is Kenny (My name is Kenny), Tuesday, 10 June 2003 20:18 (twenty years ago) link

I'm overwhelmed by the originality (or lack there of) in that post.

james, Tuesday, 10 June 2003 21:10 (twenty years ago) link

Taking Sides: Dave Matthews Band vs. Coldplay
yet Another anti DMB thread

Climate Hunter, Tuesday, 10 June 2003 21:25 (twenty years ago) link

yet Another anti DMB thread

Oh come on! You can READ, can't you?

J (Jay), Tuesday, 10 June 2003 22:10 (twenty years ago) link

No.

Climate Hunter, Tuesday, 10 June 2003 23:13 (twenty years ago) link

The other day my brother's friend's band started off their cover of "All Along the Watchtower" by declaring
"He're's a little song Bob Dylan wrote, Jimi Hendrix made rockin', and Dave Matthews took to a whole nother level. Now, we're going to see what we can do with it."

Applepie Baseball, Wednesday, 11 June 2003 00:31 (twenty years ago) link

haha - bono to thread

James Blount (James Blount), Wednesday, 11 June 2003 00:32 (twenty years ago) link

this thread is an embarrassment.

the responses from regulars (who should be ashamed of so vigorously taking advantage of their relative experience with defending their tastes by arguing) remind me particularly of mark's second paragraph in clarke's 'boring' thread.

a more fruitful way to understand this thread's original question might be, following mark, to assume that the people who like dave matthews do not do so because of a lack on their part (a lack of taste, intelligence, character, experience, or anything else). your conception of how a person could like dave matthews would seem to have some bearing on why you don't like him. (perhaps making certain answers easier.) then an interesting question becomes, why is it so important to you to make it clear that you are not like that person (exemplified by your not liking dave matthews)?

I would say that in my late high school years, into the time I went off to college, a very wide range of people in my age group and older, in different social groups, liked dave matthews to some extent. this was around the time of 'under the table and dreaming'. I remember their first couple-few big singles as significant presence on the radio. I recall a review from the time noting matthews' 'frat-boy existentialism' as a potential fault, but giving him a pass because there is still something fulfilling about even frat-boy existentialism, at times. the association with frat boys bothered me because I hadn't really seen that connection - it seemed like an inaccurate thing to say at the time, though it became more accurate later as the band's audience changed. something similar to that point about the faulty-but-good-enough existentialism (especially found in 'crash', I think) could probably be said about the music's character and sound, especially in terms of difference from the prevailing styles of the time
on rock and mainstream alternative radio.

Josh (Josh), Wednesday, 11 June 2003 06:29 (twenty years ago) link

Applepie Baseball: "He're's a little song Bob Dylan wrote, Jimi Hendrix made rockin', and Dave Matthews took to a whole nother level. Now, we're going to see what we can do with it."
James Blount: haha - bono to thread
I think Bono would've said "Jimi Hendrix stole this from Dylan...we're stealin' it back."
Funny thing I heard (which is probably a myth, but it would be sooooo coool if it were true:) Apparently, Bono himself was embarassed by his pontifications on the Rattle and Hum record...and whenever he gets out of hand in the studio, one of his bandmates would inevitably remark:
"Ey, Bono......are we stealin' it back?"
And here's a documented fact: Bono is forbidden to have any coffee or caffeine before they go into the studio. Allegedly, A cup of black coffee really brings out the pompous twit in him.
Kinda like Henry Rollins...without the sense of humor.

Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Wednesday, 11 June 2003 11:43 (twenty years ago) link

The purpose of me bringing up those specific people on this web site was to prove that hatred and anger get you no where. I don't dislike anyone the way the people on this web site do. As for someone saying all DMB fans are hootie fans thats a lie I never caught on as to why hootie was so popular. All of my friends that like Dave aren't hootie fans so that is untrue.

dmbfan012003, Thursday, 12 June 2003 15:29 (twenty years ago) link

DMB fans in "nicer than ILM" shocka

Sean Thomas (sgthomas), Thursday, 12 June 2003 15:53 (twenty years ago) link

FYI: ILM is not a coherent entity

oops (Oops), Thursday, 12 June 2003 15:57 (twenty years ago) link

I mean, it does seem like "niceness" is just the apex of achievement for a band like DMB -- they play the exact role that Phil Collins and Genesis played back in the mid-'80s (except Phil and Co. wrote songs that got on the radio). Just... nice. And not, y'know, *weird* like that new wave stuff. I mean, who's going to listen to that weird stuff in 20 years? ;)

Sean Thomas (sgthomas), Thursday, 12 June 2003 16:00 (twenty years ago) link

well, they're just half a step removed from hippies, no?

oops (Oops), Thursday, 12 June 2003 16:04 (twenty years ago) link

yeah niceness is just criminally uncool, I'd sooner be caught telling people to be kind to others

J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Thursday, 12 June 2003 16:08 (twenty years ago) link

this dmb hootie comparison convinces me that either most people hatin' haven't actually listened to dmb carefully, or that there's much more interesting stuff going on in hootie than i realized.

i mean a violin jamband combo with a dude singing slightly skittery jazz-inflected stuff in not quite a standard key. maybe its not my thing but while i was like 15 or 16 and listening to alt-rock radio it seemed way more *weird* than most of the stuff on at the time.

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Thursday, 12 June 2003 16:26 (twenty years ago) link

BOTH SUCK

Jon Williams (ex machina), Thursday, 12 June 2003 16:31 (twenty years ago) link

that or one is completely unaware of the histories, tour circuits, etc. of hootie and dmb, or the way their label sold them as the 'new hootie' in 94 (somewhere big head todd's going 'where's my platinum album?').

James Blount (James Blount), Thursday, 12 June 2003 16:34 (twenty years ago) link

hootie, dmb, big head todd, lisa loeb, the pietasters and squirrel nut zippers were all regular players at my dad's old club in southwest va in the early to mid 90s. make of that what you will.

Yanc3y (ystrickler), Thursday, 12 June 2003 16:36 (twenty years ago) link

judging a band by its tour circuit, c or d?

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Thursday, 12 June 2003 16:41 (twenty years ago) link

I love the Yanc3y but that club sounds like my idea of a slow, bitter, torturous hell.

judging a band by its tour circuit, c or d?

Inestimably classic.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 12 June 2003 16:43 (twenty years ago) link

'chitlin circuit' to thread

James Blount (James Blount), Thursday, 12 June 2003 16:45 (twenty years ago) link

but the touring circuit matters, sterling! these bands shared stages, were friends/rivals, they wuz a SCENE, maaaaaaaaaaaaaaan!

my dad's club totally sucked. tho it did give me the opportunity to meet uncle tupelo when i wuz 14. which was very cool.

Yanc3y (ystrickler), Thursday, 12 June 2003 16:45 (twenty years ago) link

pretending bands don't have contexts - c or d?

James Blount (James Blount), Thursday, 12 June 2003 16:46 (twenty years ago) link

the thing is ALOT of people woulda put their money on big head todd if you'd asked them 'who's gonna make it big?'

James Blount (James Blount), Thursday, 12 June 2003 16:47 (twenty years ago) link

i would've. "bittersweet" shoulda been the anthem of the 90s.

it's the boulder curse! (rick neuheisel to thread!)

Yanc3y (ystrickler), Thursday, 12 June 2003 16:47 (twenty years ago) link

haha! rashaan salaam to thread!

James Blount (James Blount), Thursday, 12 June 2003 16:54 (twenty years ago) link

he's gotta take off the noose first

Yanc3y (ystrickler), Thursday, 12 June 2003 16:57 (twenty years ago) link


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