Grimes/Claire Boucher thread

Not to get all "they take the Gluepot now they coming for me" but c'mon, Lorde's dyed-in-the-wool Devonport.

― etc, Sunday, February 18, 2018 11:25 AM (twenty-eight minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

huh, had some vague memory of hearing ponsonby had been where she grew up but mea culpa for not double-checking and realizing it was devonport

i mean i've never been up to auckland so the one suburb i did know for having its bourgeois reputation precede it seemed like a sensible enough fit with said factoid i'd read/imagined reading

very important to determine to which social class a 21 year old female artist belongs to.

damn put another shrimp on the barbie & let the beef cook

This is all great stuff

she barely tweets and the majority of what she does post on social media is direct responses to fan questions on twitter and instagram, it's not her fault that websites will then take those statements and construct headlines and news stories around them regardless of whether or not they tell a complete or satisfying story about anything

i have been posting on the internet since i was a small child and i was still caught completely off-guard when i realized i had to be prepared for everything i posted to be read not just by the specific people i was talking to but to countless more people beyond that who might see it if some person or media entity decided to take it and show it to others without context or my involvement

i thought i was an expert, and i got pantsed by it. every day now i see people who thought they were experts getting pantsed by it. people who get paid to write about the news in the media every day who have a complete meltdown when one day their name turns up in the news.

it is extremely easy to sit around sniping from a distance at people who find themselves exposed thus about how they should be handling it but one day it might happen to you and i promise you will have no idea what you're doing

Classic website. Glad I spent my twenties here.

Sry james that wasnt directed to u

it's cool i'm sorry i interrupted your joke

It wasn’t really a joke. Not anyone’s fault here, I just need a better hobby than ilx. I’m sorry earlier I jumped in the nascent feud between katherine and moka — i like both of those posters.

you should check out "slay the spire" on steam, it's available for both mac and pc and i find it to be very meditative and soothing

It wasn’t really a joke. Not anyone’s fault here, I just need a better hobby than ilx. I’m sorry earlier I jumped in the nascent feud between katherine and moka — i like both of those posters.

― treeship 2, Saturday, February 17, 2018 6:57 PM (four minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I wasn't feuding with anyone just pointing out the inherent questionability of criticizing someone for complaining on the internet and not to their face, via complaining on the internet

also do you play ironclad or silent

i can win at least half the time with silent but i'm really frustrated by my inability to get a good ironclad deck going

do you have any build tips?

You were feuding a lil bit but I don’t mind.

I wasn’t really criticizing Grimes I love her, I’d vote for her for president of the world. I was pointing out that public figures ideally need to filter this sort of things or give a fuller picture. Otherwise some rabid fans go and wage twitter wars from them and it doesn’t help their case.

Either point the finger at who you want hanged by the internet or its better to not say anything, unless you don’t mind all those fans going around writing nasty tweets to people that have nothing to do with this beef like say, Jay Z.

or you could shut up and not care so much about a public figure

most consistent I've ever done is with barricade and body slam, preferably with entrench if you can find it. from there it's just a matter of actually getting barricade up

xp: what alfred said

Well go and tell that to the fans on twitter I don’t use it.

lmao "nasty tweets" give me a fucking break. the fans will be fine

it's just such a weird thing to be so annoyed or upset by

Well that and that her words have been taken out of context turned into clickbait headlines. There’s a reason she deleted them.

Also Alfred and Katherine I can care however much I want to care about it, maybe you two should shut up and not care so much what a non public figure says.

Or be crushed by some asteroid sized boulder of irony

Is that agressive passive enough for you?

kind of a bummer when all my favorite posters come together to yell at each other. Not sure why Grimes is such a flashpoint for this board. Lingering PTSD from the Realiti wars?

on a pretty regular basis i get very detailed emails from strangers about how they want to dismember me and every member of my family

sometimes my friends and family get the emails instead

sometimes the threats go to people i barely even know or haven't talked to in years, people who might not even know why strange people on the internet want to dismember me, who get really upset about the threats and forward them to me with heartfelt concern about whether or not i am safe and ok

i then copy and paste the threats into a very long years-old email thread so they can be sent to law enforcement contacts and added to a file

anyone who would seriously get super upset over a fan tweeting "leave grimes alone" or whatever is not prepared for what the world is turning into and i worry for them

anyway

i'm definitely going to try to go body slam/barricade on my next run, i have been struggling with not having enough block and i totally had not thought about how body slam could turn a block-focused deck into an offensive powerhouse. thanks!

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It’s not those fans I worry about it’s the death threats ones I worry about turning their obsessive love for her into a real threat for anyone managing her label.

I’m sorry to hear that you’re dealing with that James.

I hope the death threats thing is just some kind of sick trend, or a symptom of society not having had time to establish the norms that will make life in the internet age bearable.

This can’t just be the way it is now.

her friends and family have received threats. people she casually tweeted back and forth with a couple of times have received threats. fans who she has never interacted with who maintain fan pages on social media have received threats. everyone who can be seen to have any sort of connection to her online, real or imagined, has received threats.

i do not know offhand if the label has received threats before. i would be surprised if they have not. either way, it's not something she has control over.

sorry for all that

I was magma90210 forever ago on MRMB hope you are well

I was pointing precisely that problem from the very start, but I got accused of overthinking it... really sucks to have people who clearly need help channeling violence in those ways. I remember reading about Claire getting those threats and its really worrisome, sucks it’s happening to you to James.

why is she receiving so many threats? because she is outspoken? i hope the situation will be resolved soon.

That said I do think she has control over certain things. Bringing up an anonymous beef with maybe someone in the label is an invitation to threats. I don’t remember in which reddit thread about the first tweet there were two crazy fans trying to “solve” who it was by dropping names of artists or friends who have collaborated with her in the past (james was namedropped in between those btw) and weren’t around in artangels. They were going through old photos with people from the label and friends to find who she was talking about. So I wasn’t overreacting... she does have crazy fans and I’ve seen the kind of crackpot posts and threads surrounding her life and her songs. She’s not responsible about them existing but there are some really insane ones that may take her words as a call to action.

That was what I was saying and it rubbed people the wrong way. There’s many information on the internet that someone with enough free time can find and make wrongful use of it. The less you keep the loonies at bay the better. Anonymous beefs invites them into a “guess who” game which is a bad idea.

Am I overthinking it... yes probably, but it’s a point of view and there’s truth behind it.

As a longstanding fan, yeah I want to know how her music making is progressing, and yeah I want to know if some industry shit is intervening between artist and audience. The appearance to me is of someone unexpectedly finding they’re unable to deliver on a promise and wanting to give an account for that without breaching propriety. Whatever the overheated Twittersphere want to make of it is their sad problem, I just appreciate knowing that I’ll have to wait longer but not because it’s not done. The feedback loops of emotion around her every move and murmur must be paralysing, like trying to speak with a mic hooked up to a Marshall stack pointed at your face.

I really love Art Angels, listened again this week a few times

Beating a dead horse in here so last comment I make on the situation (”finally!” exclaimed with relief Alfred and Kath) but Claire likes anime, videogames, is an attractive woman, smart and makes amazing art. There’s an inevitable overlap of crazy fans. She posts a tweet saying “no music soon music industry sucks” a normal fan says “fuck that” but not all of Grimes fans are normal.

welcome to realiti

The feedback loops of emotion around her every move and murmur must be paralysing, like trying to speak with a mic hooked up to a Marshall stack pointed at your face.

this is such a great analogy

a normal fan says “fuck that” but not all of Grimes fans are normal.

i mean i've never seen an artist with a large fanbase that didn't have some genuinely troubled people populating it. it runs the gamut from John Lennon and Bjork all the way down to Christina Grimmie and Rebecca Schaefer. the most insane fans I've ever met have been U2 fans, ftr.

trying to speak with a mic hooked up to a Marshall stack pointed at your face.

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the thing is, being a "public figure" does not mean that you are forevermore unaffected by things, and nor does having fans. and there is nothing lonelier than going through bad shit and being unable to talk about it

Classic website. Glad I spent my twenties here.

― treeship 2, Saturday, February 17, 2018 5:43 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

It could be worse. You could've spent your thirties on Twitter.

I was thinking of running a REALiTi poll to determine not which song was the best but the correlation between which version you preferred and how powerful you felt the song to be

because I prefer the demo version and I find it very powerful, spiritually, a place of comfort and inspiration, shelter from the storm, and while I feel like I can understand how someone would prefer the album version, since it's perhaps more correct, in a way more effective, I was thinking maybe they would have a rather different relation to the song (since I think the album version loses some of the ethereality which gives demo its supernatural power)

but then I checked the poll results and demo won by such a margin that I figured the debate was over

Little late to the party but the fact were still talking about the agency of an artist like grimes fucking depresses me

Does 4AD have a history with coming into conflict w/ artists?

they have changed hands several times over the years. afaik the current crew are the guys who came onboard circa 2009. I haven't heard many/any stories of problems. labels can be very frustrating to deal with and that's putting it mildly but I also think the public & many artists have weird ideas about what labels are supposed to do / what contracts say and what an artist's responsibilities are regarding the terms of said contracts, etc, and a lot of the discourse about this stuff is really unhelpful & naive

I can't believe this issue has been raised yet again, but I think it should be obvious that Realiti>Realiti.

how can you do whatever you want (the right of all artists) if you have to keep your promises

yes, they have contracts that are legally binding. OTOH, most music contracts for anyone other than the absolute biggest stars are largely exploitative and a horrible deal. Record labels have total leverage over their artists, and I can see how that can cause issues with musicians that have strong ideas about how their art should be made and presented.

most music contracts for anyone other than the absolute biggest stars are largely exploitative and a horrible deal.

what is your source for this claim? I'm an artist of minor stature who's had several contracts which struck me as fair when I signed them and which pay modest dividends to this day.