quiddities and agonies of the ruling class - a rolling new york times thread

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Locals joke that the only slimming down this town knows is liposuction, but the higher-end shopping districts quickly disprove that theory. Robertson Boulevard, home to the celebrated Ivy restaurant, has 12 storefronts empty or emptying on just a five-block stretch. On Montana Avenue in Santa Monica, about 30 boutiques are either closed, about to close or vacant, according to the merchants’ association.

those stores were terrible anyway; no one wants to spend $100 on a flimsy t-shirt with some bedazzling.

elliot easton ellis (get bent), Tuesday, 19 May 2009 04:33 (5 years ago) Permalink

i'm fascinated by "boutiques" -- i think most of them are run by bored rich housewives who don't know what the hell they're doing.

elliot easton ellis (get bent), Tuesday, 19 May 2009 04:37 (5 years ago) Permalink

those stores were terrible anyway; no one wants to spend $100 on a flimsy t-shirt with some bedazzling.*

*in 2009

iatee, Tuesday, 19 May 2009 07:01 (5 years ago) Permalink

my point is salary (which, pre-divorce, was hefty nonetheless) is not the full definition of class: this guy is part of the country's elite intelligentsia

I'm not sure where you get your ideas about me Lamp or why you think they're relevant but I would appreciate it if you crawled out from my jock

Tracer Hand, Tuesday, 19 May 2009 08:28 (5 years ago) Permalink

Yeah, but see, again, depending on where you live, $120,000 per year is hardly "hefty." As a raw number it LOOKS hefty, but cost of living can eat it up right quick. Unless you have other regular income streams from, say, investments, and if you have to check your bank balance regularly to make sure you can afford those martinis on Friday, I'd say you're still middle class. Or at least just on the cusp of upper class, but hardly "ruling class."

naturally unfunny, though mechanically sound (Pancakes Hackman), Tuesday, 19 May 2009 11:23 (5 years ago) Permalink

if i live in tracers jock, and make $100k/yr, am i middle class?

rip dom passantino 3/5/09 never forget (max), Tuesday, 19 May 2009 12:56 (5 years ago) Permalink

eah, but see, again, depending on where you live, $120,000 per year is hardly "hefty." As a raw number it LOOKS hefty, but cost of living can eat it up right quick.

yes

Unless you have other regular income streams from, say, investments, and if you have to check your bank balance regularly to make sure you can afford those martinis on Friday, I'd say you're still middle class.

i don't think most ppl making 125k have to check their balance regularly for martinis, unless they've got kids, and then they're probably not out drinking martinis

Or at least just on the cusp of upper class, but hardly "ruling class."

'ruling class' no, upper middle class definitely

"the whale saw her" (gabbneb), Tuesday, 19 May 2009 13:03 (5 years ago) Permalink

" this guy is part of the country's elite intelligentsia"

uh

"the whale saw her" (gabbneb), Tuesday, 19 May 2009 13:04 (5 years ago) Permalink

he's a well-paid but otherwise ordinary journalist. he may or may not be smart, but he's not an elite anything. "intelligentsia"

"the whale saw her" (gabbneb), Tuesday, 19 May 2009 13:06 (5 years ago) Permalink

o wait, 125k for 2 is middle class

"the whale saw her" (gabbneb), Tuesday, 19 May 2009 13:08 (5 years ago) Permalink

if that's the situation here

"the whale saw her" (gabbneb), Tuesday, 19 May 2009 13:08 (5 years ago) Permalink

Yeah, but see, again, depending on where you live, $120,000 per year is hardly "hefty." As a raw number it LOOKS hefty, but cost of living can eat it up right quick.

Cost of living can eat that right up, but you have a lot of control over what your cost of living is. Obv. you don't have total control: health care, food and shelter, e.g. As a father of three in a single-income family I don't really get what kids have to do with the costs, unless you're committed to private schooling in which case we're surely talking luxury, no?

dulce est desipere in loco (Euler), Tuesday, 19 May 2009 13:29 (5 years ago) Permalink

As a father of three in a single-income family I don't really get what kids have to do with the costs

where do you live again?

"the whale saw her" (gabbneb), Tuesday, 19 May 2009 13:33 (5 years ago) Permalink

As a father of three in a single-income family I don't really get what kids have to do with the costs

do you let your kids walk around naked

Mr. Que, Tuesday, 19 May 2009 13:33 (5 years ago) Permalink

ah euler theres the disconnect--in new york you dont actually own your kids you have to rent them from the city for as much as 25k/yr

rip dom passantino 3/5/09 never forget (max), Tuesday, 19 May 2009 13:35 (5 years ago) Permalink

I don't get it, Euler, are you saying you have three kids and they don't make a dent in your bottom line?

Guayaquil (eephus!), Tuesday, 19 May 2009 13:39 (5 years ago) Permalink

"the whale saw her" (gabbneb), Tuesday, 19 May 2009 13:40 (5 years ago) Permalink

this dude is just finishing up an hour call-in program on NPR's On Point (WBUR BOSTON) and he is not provoking much sympathy (which, he hastens to add, is not his intent)

roman knockwell (elmo argonaut), Tuesday, 19 May 2009 16:00 (5 years ago) Permalink

It's clear that he is not of the ruling class: the Ruling Class think they are Jesus and break into song and dance given the opportunity.

cant go with u too many bees (Abbott), Tuesday, 19 May 2009 16:37 (5 years ago) Permalink

i am the country's elite intelligentsia all by myself

velko, Tuesday, 19 May 2009 16:39 (5 years ago) Permalink

mostly this guy seems like a boob who leveraged his personal failings into a book deal, which seems to be a popular strategy nowadays

dmr, Tuesday, 19 May 2009 17:39 (5 years ago) Permalink

raise your hand if you have financial problems and no book deal?

arguing about whether this guy is upper/middle/lower/ruling(???) class is retarded - we already know exactly how much money he makes, where he lives and what his expenses are. we don't have to define him by some vague term. he is a dude who makes 100k and lives a certain lifestyle in a certain part of the country - whether or not he's 'upper middle class' won't reveal anything we don't already know. the ilx version of arguing about whether joy division are goth.

iatee, Tuesday, 19 May 2009 18:06 (5 years ago) Permalink

Like we don't do that too.

But not someone who should be dead anyway (Laurel), Tuesday, 19 May 2009 18:14 (5 years ago) Permalink

a boob who leveraged his personal failings into a book deal, which seems to be a popular strategy nowadays

plus ça change...

butt-rock miyagi (rogermexico.), Tuesday, 19 May 2009 20:35 (5 years ago) Permalink

Locals joke that the only slimming down this town knows is liposuction

die

indescribably adjustable dwarfism (Matt P), Tuesday, 19 May 2009 21:45 (5 years ago) Permalink

miss u l.a., don't miss ny times articles about u

indescribably adjustable dwarfism (Matt P), Tuesday, 19 May 2009 21:46 (5 years ago) Permalink

just because people in other cities are ugly doesn't mean u have to take it out on los angeles, nytimes

indescribably adjustable dwarfism (Matt P), Tuesday, 19 May 2009 21:57 (5 years ago) Permalink

Here's basically what I think about this. I don't mean to seem like I care about material things, like social status. I just want four walls and adobe slabs for my girls.

dulce est desipere in loco (Euler), Tuesday, 19 May 2009 23:07 (5 years ago) Permalink

McArdle again:

At the end of his book's harrowing account of mortgage mistakes and credit card crises, Edmund Andrews writes: "While our misadventure had certainly been more extreme than those of many other Americans, our situation was not all that unusual." And indeed the book reads like the story of an American Everyman, easily sucked in to the alluring world of easy credit as he struggled to blend a new family. The terrifying implication is that it could happen to you--to anyone who leads with their heart and not their head.

But en route to that moral, it turns out the story has been tidied up a little. Patty Barreiro, Andrews' wife, has declared bankruptcy twice. The second time was while they were married, a detail that didn't make it into either the book or the excerpt that ran in last Sunday's New York Times Magazine.

It continues from there.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 21 May 2009 18:51 (5 years ago) Permalink

That seems to be a pretty big omission.

Hatfail of Hollow (Nicole), Thursday, 21 May 2009 19:12 (5 years ago) Permalink

Whatever else you want to say about this guy, he was at least polite and diplomatic enough to be nice and vague about his situation, and not call his book Alimony for the Ex-Wife and Bankruptcy for the New One: I Blame Them and Should Have Been a Bachelor

nabisco, Thursday, 21 May 2009 20:55 (5 years ago) Permalink

what i'm taking away from all this is that the financial crisis was exacerbated, if not caused by, dimbulbs and women

Tracer Hand, Thursday, 21 May 2009 21:44 (5 years ago) Permalink

if not and perhaps even

Tracer Hand, Thursday, 21 May 2009 21:44 (5 years ago) Permalink

Edwards responds and McArdle responds back.

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 23 May 2009 14:12 (5 years ago) Permalink

McArdle otm. "All that happened in 1998, and it obviously had nothing to do with the story in Busted. It never even occurred to me to mention it" doesn't pass my smell test, for what that's worth.

resistance is feudal (WmC), Saturday, 23 May 2009 14:26 (5 years ago) Permalink

Wowowow is she working hard to report this evenhanded. His roundabout response is pretty douchey (and evasive).

all yoga attacks are fire based (rogermexico.), Saturday, 23 May 2009 14:35 (5 years ago) Permalink

er, evenhandedly

all yoga attacks are fire based (rogermexico.), Saturday, 23 May 2009 14:35 (5 years ago) Permalink

The more she presents about this all the more I'm kinda astounded.

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 23 May 2009 14:42 (5 years ago) Permalink

2 weeks pass...

williamsburg: full of entitled assholes!!

rip dom passantino 3/5/09 never forget (max), Tuesday, 9 June 2009 17:22 (5 years ago) Permalink

i always used 'trustafarian' to refer to white kids with dreads and subsidized weed habits (nyu lol)

roman knockwell (elmo argonaut), Tuesday, 9 June 2009 17:25 (5 years ago) Permalink

"trust fund babies/bitches" works okay.

But not someone who should be dead anyway (Laurel), Tuesday, 9 June 2009 17:27 (5 years ago) Permalink

actually a lot of that article rang kind of false to me--are there really a lot of people like this?

“They say, ‘You want me to work eight hours?’ ” Mr. Illades said. “There is a bubble bursting.”

rip dom passantino 3/5/09 never forget (max), Tuesday, 9 June 2009 17:30 (5 years ago) Permalink

i just like to lol at all the landlord and developers who conspired to build like a dozen new condo buildings within two years, half of which have become abandoned construction.

ian, Tuesday, 9 June 2009 17:51 (5 years ago) Permalink

that sounds like an onion article

casual racism fridays (bug), Tuesday, 9 June 2009 17:56 (5 years ago) Permalink

Area Man LOLs at Developers

s1ocki, Tuesday, 9 June 2009 18:22 (5 years ago) Permalink

biggest lol: "my parents have money and support me financially -- no one must know my secret shame"

gotta maintain that cred, right?

roman knockwell (elmo argonaut), Tuesday, 9 June 2009 18:30 (5 years ago) Permalink

hardly a new phenomenon, I know, I just enjoy how the article lays it out there in this anthropological fashion -- "tribal custom dictates you don't talk about daddy's money"

roman knockwell (elmo argonaut), Tuesday, 9 June 2009 18:41 (5 years ago) Permalink

obviously the stigma's not that bad if the NYT can get people on record about it.

sussing out the Slick Hustler (I DIED), Tuesday, 9 June 2009 18:44 (5 years ago) Permalink


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