Pearl Jam - No Code

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yeah Binaural was solid but Riot Act was pretty dire.

Al (sitcom), Monday, 14 March 2005 02:19 (nineteen years ago) link

Don't snooze on Riot Act!!!! Matt Cameron songs are not to be denied!

Man, I'm really surprised about the Vitalogy luv, as, from what I recall, there were a few stunt tracks ("Bugs", "foxymophandlefivedollars") that perved the rest of the batch. And "Nothingman" did no damn thang for moi. But, yeah, most of it is nice.

I'm a Yield / Binaural man, myself (w/ Binaural as the better album, but Yield being my fave), & No Code is close behind. Bless you, Al.

David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 14 March 2005 02:31 (nineteen years ago) link

yeah, Riot Act had some moments. the drab filler drags it down, though, in my opinion a lot moreso than the bizarro filler on Vitalogy, which has at least 7 or 8 of their very best songs.

Al (sitcom), Monday, 14 March 2005 02:40 (nineteen years ago) link

I definitely go through phases where Yield is my favorite.

Al (sitcom), Monday, 14 March 2005 02:41 (nineteen years ago) link

The one track on Yield whose intro sounds like "Academy Fight Song" always gives me goosebumps.

David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 14 March 2005 02:50 (nineteen years ago) link

in the five minutes I was listening to the radio tonight walking between the libraries I work at, "Corduroy" came on. EERIE.

miccio (miccio), Monday, 14 March 2005 03:11 (nineteen years ago) link

Bought this in high school when it was new and I was still trying to like Pearl Jam. Realized: Hmm, I'll never like Pearl Jam. Went on with my life.

marc h., Monday, 14 March 2005 03:29 (nineteen years ago) link

No Code is by far their best album, for me anyway. It's them at their most relaxed, their most creative, and it's farthest away from Ten that they got without forcing it. It's hard for me to pick a favorite track, but my least fave is definitely 'I'm Open', which to my mind just feels like a big rip off of 'Deep Kick' by RHCP. I think RHCP came first in 1995, then PJ in 1996...that's not the point, but I heard 'Deep Kick' first and 'I'm Open' just felt hollow to me.

Riot Act is great, but I think the problem with the last couple of albums has been that they're getting into Grateful Dead territory where the live shows surpass the album in terms of importance, and the album is just there to mark the beginning of a new tour. It's in their live shows that the new songs come into their own, and on the album they sound like it's just bare bones. "You Are" is a great song, but the album version pales in comparison to how it sounds live. Then again, maybe it's just that I've become a Deadhead. *weeps*

VegemiteGrrl (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 14 March 2005 06:41 (nineteen years ago) link

yeah, I hear you on that, definitely in the case of Riot Act, it felt like the most minor part of the whole album-tour cycle. and I kinda wish that they didn't always do the cycle in that exact order nowadays, that album in particular would've probably benefitted from road-testing the material first.

Al (sitcom), Monday, 14 March 2005 08:32 (nineteen years ago) link

I always thought "Ten" and "Vs" their worst albums. "Vitalogy" is where the fun really begins.

OTM Vegemite Grrl. I'm far from a fan, but I've seen'em live the last couple of tours. They're one of few acts who draw inspiration by their opening acts; when Sleater Kinney and Sonic Youth opened for them on the last couple of tours PJ were incredible.

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Monday, 14 March 2005 14:50 (nineteen years ago) link

yeah, Ten was my least favorite for a long time (up until Riot Act). Vs. has some really good songs, though.

Al (sitcom), Monday, 14 March 2005 15:07 (nineteen years ago) link

Vs. is wretched for the most part, Ten has a few very good moments. Neither album has dated very well.

I think Binaural is their most underrated album - not a real dud track in the lot.

Simon H. (Simon H.), Monday, 14 March 2005 15:13 (nineteen years ago) link

"No Code" was at least an attempt to do something different. The only Pearl Jam album where all of the songs don't sound alike. They may have failed, but should be honoured for the attempt.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Monday, 14 March 2005 15:16 (nineteen years ago) link

VegemiteGrrl OTM

I remember selling Bi... back as soon as I heard a live record that had most of the songs on it and thinking "wow, maybe I'll just buy the live records as they come out, the songs sound better than on the studio records."

Raymond Cummings (Raymond Cummings), Monday, 14 March 2005 16:10 (nineteen years ago) link

No Code is a great album.

stevie (stevie), Monday, 14 March 2005 16:19 (nineteen years ago) link

Oh, wow, Vs. is very spotty. The music's OK, but Eddie gets in his own way lots of times (except on "Rearviewmirror", maybe) (and "Go"). Of course, you listen to local rock radio around my parts, and they play "Go" & something from Ten and wistfully ask listeners, "gee, remember when Pearl Jam used to ROCK?", which I guess is code for "gee, remember when Pearl Jam sounded totally full of themselves, pompous, and humorless?"

BRING ON THE DOPEY ONE-LINERS HATERS

David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 14 March 2005 16:26 (nineteen years ago) link

yeah, Vs. is way spotty. but it's also maybe the only PJ album where I still like all the radio hits (of which there are many). plus some good thrashy moments like Leash and Blood.

Al (sitcom), Monday, 14 March 2005 16:29 (nineteen years ago) link

Ha - those thrasy moments are exactly what I was thinking of re: Eddie getting in his own (& his band's) way. You don't need to SELL the anthem that hard, EV - the music's doing that bit for you! Just mewl and bellow a smidge, s'all.

I'm tempted to say part of the problem w/ Vs. is the sequencing. Starting w/ "Go", and THEN following w/ "Animal", it's a bit too much. And then jupming from GET OUT OF MY FUCKING FACE to "Indifference" ... meh. Still have a soft spot for "Rats", though, which quotes Michael Jackson's "Ben", doesn't it? Oh, Edward - so pointed, your social commentary.

GOT A GUN
FACT I GOT TWO
THAT'S OK MAN
CAUSE I LOVE GOD
GLORIFIED VERSION OF A PELLET GUN
FEEL SO MANLY
WHEN AAAAAAAAAAAAARMED

David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 14 March 2005 16:51 (nineteen years ago) link

on first listen

"Sometimes": wow, it's been awhile since I've been this up close and personal with the veddster.

"Hail Hail": wow, we produce the fuck out of rock these days. we also don't sound this incomprehensible.

miccio (miccio), Monday, 14 March 2005 16:59 (nineteen years ago) link

is "these days" = 2005, or 1996, or both?

Al (sitcom), Monday, 14 March 2005 17:02 (nineteen years ago) link

"Up Close and Personal with the Veddster" is going to be the subtitle of my 33 1/3 book.

Al (sitcom), Monday, 14 March 2005 17:03 (nineteen years ago) link

these days = 2005. i just listened to the radio on the way home. heard that one song (probably three days grace) where the guy is like YOU WILL HATE ME ARGH YOU WILL KILL YOUR LIFE ARGH.

"Who We Are": I haven't heard this track since it came out ("Smile" and "Hail, Hail" were the radio picks, really). Al was fuckin' right about the drums. WTF. this is so hippie.

miccio (miccio), Monday, 14 March 2005 17:04 (nineteen years ago) link

man both this and "Hail Hail" were way more driftier than I remember them being as a kid. Pop really has made my alt-brain all bugaboo.

miccio (miccio), Monday, 14 March 2005 17:05 (nineteen years ago) link

"In My Tree": more drums, jesus, wtf. This turn for the eastern really did leave the playing field open for the distinctly judeo-christian Creed. I really have no idea what Vedder is going on about so far. Shocker.

miccio (miccio), Monday, 14 March 2005 17:07 (nineteen years ago) link

best part of "Hail Hail" for me is the gradually fading out chug of the drums and the lingering guitar line.

Al (sitcom), Monday, 14 March 2005 17:08 (nineteen years ago) link

"Smile": and the A&R man thanked God that they were still nuts about Neil Young.

miccio (miccio), Monday, 14 March 2005 17:10 (nineteen years ago) link

"In My Tree" and "Lukin" are their best songs evarr! Although "In My Tree" is really just Peral Jam channeling peak-era U2!!!!

nickalicious (nickalicious), Monday, 14 March 2005 17:11 (nineteen years ago) link

The hippy drumming on this album is why this is my favorite Pearl Jam of all! "Release" should've been on this album!

nickalicious (nickalicious), Monday, 14 March 2005 17:12 (nineteen years ago) link

I was wrong before, about what their best songs were, I forgot all about "Release"!

nickalicious (nickalicious), Monday, 14 March 2005 17:13 (nineteen years ago) link

yeah good call, IMT is kinda U2 ish. in a good way.

(xp I am totally smelling what teh nick is cooking)

Al (sitcom), Monday, 14 March 2005 17:13 (nineteen years ago) link

proof that pop-ism isn't good for you: I would turn "Smile" off the radio before I would turn off "Higher." "Higher" more fun.

miccio (miccio), Monday, 14 March 2005 17:13 (nineteen years ago) link

"Smile" got radio spins in your neck of the woods, Anthony, really? that was kind of the album where I stopped hearing alt-rock DJs handpick non-single PJ tracks for heavy rotation, but if anything I heard "Red Mosquito" more.

Al (sitcom), Monday, 14 March 2005 17:14 (nineteen years ago) link

"Higher" by who? Creed?

Al (sitcom), Monday, 14 March 2005 17:14 (nineteen years ago) link

question - what was the real dropoff for pj's popularity and dominance in altradio? when i went overseas, a few months after vs. dropped, they were huge - the atlanta alt rock station had billboards with just 'PEARL JAM. 99x' on them (now they say 'COBAIN LIVES. 99x', no joke), at least 80% of that fucking album was on altradio, ALOT. when i came back, just before yield dropped, there was this since of 'ok, they're coming back, they've stopped fucking around, accepted their lot in life', the atlanta altradio station played ONLY pj the weekend before it came out, and there was this sense of 'ok, altrock's not gonna die, altrock's not gonna die, 94 forever', and then i only heard three traxx from it on the radio (and only within a year of it's release - i can't remember the last time i heard 'given to fly') and none of them anywhere near as much as even fucking 'glorified g'. so, um, was it vitalogy what did it? or no code?

j blount (papa la bas), Monday, 14 March 2005 17:17 (nineteen years ago) link

well our alt-station was pretty die-hard back when this came out. Chavez's "The Guard Attacks" was a Buzz Track! I dunno if I've heard "Red Mosquito" before, will find out soon enough.

Yes, "Higher" by Creed. Mushmouth liberal slack just isn't as amusing on the radio as the anthem of the jesus donkey (neener neener neer).

"Off He Goes": pleasant alt-country, can't focus on the lyrics on first listen but I like it.

(x-post Vitalogy was the one people bought and No Code gave them no reason to bother again - see Monster and New Adventures)

miccio (miccio), Monday, 14 March 2005 17:18 (nineteen years ago) link

the pacing off this album is kinda goofy from a mainstream rock standpoint. drum circles followed by a turgid Neil number followed by six minutes of alt-country. this is not how you keep your arena authority (the point, I know).

"Had It": low-mic'd little rocker. i'd have to be a fan to care.

miccio (miccio), Monday, 14 March 2005 17:21 (nineteen years ago) link

"Red Mosquito": I think part of the reason misanthropic rock made a comeback is that Vedder stopped SAYING anything. I don't like this song. hippie RAWK, no...

miccio (miccio), Monday, 14 March 2005 17:24 (nineteen years ago) link

was "better man" pj's biggest hit (merkin ball doesn't count as it skews) pre-"last kiss"? i know reading pj chart standing in the nineties is tricky. what pj songs broke out of the alt ghetto?

j blount (papa la bas), Monday, 14 March 2005 17:25 (nineteen years ago) link

post-Ten, "Better Man" is definitely their biggest number. Deserves the title, too. Not sure if it was bigger than "Jeremy" though.

seriously, if I don't focus really hard he might as well be the male Liz Fraser on some of this shit.

miccio (miccio), Monday, 14 March 2005 17:26 (nineteen years ago) link

how big did mirrorball actually get anyhow? what made it to altradio, how much did it get played? was it as big in the larger culture as harvest moon? i remember hearing "sleeps with angels" a little bit on altradio just before i shipped out but it had just hit radio - was it a altradio hit?

j blount (papa la bas), Monday, 14 March 2005 17:27 (nineteen years ago) link

I was under the impression Mirror Ball was just a first week deal. Harvest Moon sold like twice as much.

miccio (miccio), Monday, 14 March 2005 17:29 (nineteen years ago) link

"Lukin": uptempo gibberish

"Present Tense": downtempo LIVE IN THE NOW. oh man. a nation of children were waiting for something to believe, and Vedder's going hominahominahominahomina. no wonder Fuck The Bitch and Jesus Saves won big.

miccio (miccio), Monday, 14 March 2005 17:30 (nineteen years ago) link

Mirror Ball had a couple songs that did ok on radio, one with a video (PJ weren't in it, but they taped "Jam" underneath the Pearl logo on the kick drum) and predictably the one that had audible Vedder vocals.

Al (sitcom), Monday, 14 March 2005 17:30 (nineteen years ago) link

yeah see i don't remember hearing anything from ten on alt (or aor making begrudging concessions to grunge) radio, it seems like maybe i heard "daughter" or "elderly woman looking for some mayo in aisle three" on ac radio, maaaaybe even top 40.


xpost - that makes sense. harvest moon got ac AND some country radio, even at alt's height those are bigger ponds (and older audiences that don't mind older artists/wonder who the fuck neil young is).

j blount (papa la bas), Monday, 14 March 2005 17:31 (nineteen years ago) link

OPEN THE FRIDGE, Anthony.

Al (sitcom), Monday, 14 March 2005 17:31 (nineteen years ago) link

anything from ten on anything other than alt... is what i meant

j blount (papa la bas), Monday, 14 March 2005 17:32 (nineteen years ago) link

Checked allmusic. "Downtown" was a top ten mainstream rock hit. but so was, wtf, "War Of Man." "Change Your Mind" scraped the mainstream top 20. No modrock chart listings.

Jeremy was a top ten pop hit.

miccio (miccio), Monday, 14 March 2005 17:32 (nineteen years ago) link

actually it occurs to me - their ticketmaster battle/lack of touring is probably what knocked them down as much as 'more difficult records', yeah?

j blount (papa la bas), Monday, 14 March 2005 17:33 (nineteen years ago) link

it sure didn't help. they were the biggest example of how self-crippling alt-arena was. Hard to be small and big at the same time.

miccio (miccio), Monday, 14 March 2005 17:35 (nineteen years ago) link

"I'm the Ocean" was the Mirrorball tune that justified the $13 (not a bad song either)

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Monday, 14 March 2005 17:36 (nineteen years ago) link


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