Ellen Allien - "Thrills"

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i still cannot get into this at ALL.

mark p (Mark P), Wednesday, 6 April 2005 16:07 (nineteen years ago) link

that's too bad. i'm really into it. but i got into it really quickly (much more quickly than berlinette for some reason). which means maybe its TOO immediate, too surface. however i doubt that b/c i think its just very bare bones goodness; as in what is there is there, true .... and with more listening you won't find much more, but the quality of the sounds is so good, it will sustain for a long time. i think the sounds are "classic" in that sense. maybe i'm making too much of it. time will tell

Susan Douglas (Susan Douglas), Wednesday, 6 April 2005 16:55 (nineteen years ago) link

the timbre of that sound (which i assume is the arp) in the opening track is absolutely wonderful. beyond that, i don't even feel like there's much ear candy here. i'm still trying, though, i'm still trying.

mark p (Mark P), Wednesday, 6 April 2005 16:58 (nineteen years ago) link

Wow, some of you guys seem really excited about this. I was anticipating it like a mofo, and finally had a listen to it last night, and a couple of times today... It's good, but I can't seem to get at where the 'thrill' is. Berlinette blew my mind, whereas this I'm kind of ambiguous toward. The singing on 'the brain is lost' really bugs me.

Jena (JenaP), Wednesday, 6 April 2005 17:04 (nineteen years ago) link

hmmm maybe its just not for you. i'm guessing a lot of people who've liked her previous stuff may not like this - its the same and its very different.

Susan Douglas (Susan Douglas), Wednesday, 6 April 2005 17:05 (nineteen years ago) link

This album is much more like her live sets than anything she's done on record before - a few weeks before I heard this for the first time I'd seen her at Fabric and had been blown away, and the kind of sounds and textures she was playing with there are pretty much the same as on Thrills - that amazing, lush ARP sound, but at the same time pounding hardcore beats. It's definitely a dancefloor album.

I'm surprised no one else has mentioned 'Washing Machine Is Speaking' yet - that tune is just HUGE.

The Lex (The Lex), Wednesday, 6 April 2005 17:48 (nineteen years ago) link

Still digesting a little but, it's total ear-candy to me (whether thats all the ARP or not I'm unsure). I haven't heard such an original-unlikely-fuzzy-different set of sounds brought together to make a 'dance' record since 'In-Sides', 'Second Toughest...', 'Immer'?? I haven't actually tested those thoughts by listening & comparing, just something that seemed to strike me.

Agree it is kind of more 'immediate' than Berlinette. It's almost too giving at times, almost ever track having some 'peak' ridiculously intense dissolving-into-bliss moment. I think 'epic' is the word indeed. It's still very grounded though, pushing at the machines really hard. In some ways more brutal than Berlinette, less controlled. I'm reckoning I'll probably end up playing this as much as 'Stadtkind' or 'Remix Collection' but not everyday. It's a bit too exhausting for that.

I'm sure some of the dissapointment here is due to the lack of more typically song-like material. I think it's closer to the aims of the more moving vocal-free parts of Stadtkind, or 'Dresden'. Listening to the samples before I'd quite expected 'She Is With Me' to spin off into something with more content (and to have spanked anything on Berlinette, in fact I'd be happy if this was the last track on 'Thrills' I adore it still). I'm still trying to throw off one or two other early-listening presumptions... mostly because they (I realise now) were all retro-active and coloured by expectations this would still be (in full) more like her previous work.

I'm suspecting this may sound a bit clearer/better mixed when the CD/Vinyl arrives too. I ran encspot over the tracks and got fhg/fastenc at flat 192kbps. My hearing isn't usually that sensitive but these leaks are probably a step down quality wise from LAME VBR and I certainly always put on the original of 'Berlinette' when I had the chance, it made a huge difference to my enjoyment.

I dunno, I'm getting sick of thinking about it now and feel like I'm repeating myself. I've lost the will to polish up the track-by-track review thang I started (I'm not even a journo, i just get a lot out of her music & wish I was better at translating why into print (last bit goes for all the music I like too). It's a fantastic record, very complete & holding up to repeat listens but not exactly an easy 'follow-up' and in some ways flawed, anticlimatic even ('Magma' is okay but no 'Open' by comparison in the best-album-closer-ever stakes) also my expectations had been unattainably high. I mean she basically had me for life at Berlinette!

fandango (fandango), Wednesday, 6 April 2005 18:49 (nineteen years ago) link

xpost - what Lex said. I saw her play Leeds and she messed with my brain :-)


first part was all jump-up bpitch crowd-rockers a'la 'My Parade', last hour(?) was a smooth glide of weird, dark and interesting (but not cold) electro that just seemed almost magical. 'Cloudy City' could easily have been slotted in there.

fandango (fandango), Wednesday, 6 April 2005 19:01 (nineteen years ago) link

Another one for the "not feeling it" camp. I liked some tracks off Berlinette, never got the whole thing.

But Thrills, it's a bit IDM isn't it? But not exactly really emotive, for me, yet, either.

Ronan (Ronan), Wednesday, 6 April 2005 19:10 (nineteen years ago) link

yeah its not emotive like berlinette was - not warm or human sounding etc. but its still emotive or atleast sentient - IMO thats the amazing thing about her; she can make for instance the sound that a city might make - and you can recognize it from a human perspective. i think that is what is so magical and futuristic about her music. and its weird too.

Susan Douglas (Susan Douglas), Wednesday, 6 April 2005 19:38 (nineteen years ago) link

i think i just embarrassed myself

Susan Douglas (Susan Douglas), Wednesday, 6 April 2005 19:41 (nineteen years ago) link

I find it's not really hitting either side for me, or both at once, like it's not deep or melancholy but nor is it really hard and dancey, I guess another few listens might help.

x-post don't be silly!

Ronan (Ronan), Wednesday, 6 April 2005 19:42 (nineteen years ago) link

I get that too Susan. OTM!

But would have needed 1000 words to get my point across.

As far as IDM goes... really? It seems like the least IDM thing she's done recently. For me 'Berlinette' dragged everything I like about that side of electronic music and gave it back heart, soul & a (4/4) pulse, returned it to techno nicely & without compromise. I still think it's incredibly under-appreciated on that level alone. The closest thing I can think of hearing since in a similar vein might be that Robag Whrume album. Which isn't close at all.

'Under-appreciated' to me probably = I won't be happy till I see her records in Virgin Megastore though ;-)

I guess she has recognition in all the places she wants to. And I'd rather see her cross-over on her own terms eventually.

I suspect that she's taken the IDM-ish direction as far as she felt possible for the time being. I didn't feel like the 'Astral' e.p. was as inspired, even as a dancefloor record & 'Bang Bang' was clearly moving further into the realm of things = more complicated/less danceable. Whereas 'Berlinette' got it absolutely spot on.

fandango (fandango), Wednesday, 6 April 2005 20:17 (nineteen years ago) link

so there's no "open" equiv here? i think that was the only 'nette track that REALLY grabbed me

jermaine (jnoble), Wednesday, 6 April 2005 20:25 (nineteen years ago) link

yeah me too and "alles sehen"

Ronan (Ronan), Wednesday, 6 April 2005 20:29 (nineteen years ago) link

xpost - I think 'She Is With Me' might be the closest equivalent. It has a similar stretched-out euphoricness about it (and treated vocal effects). I think I might have said similar upthread here.

fandango (fandango), Wednesday, 6 April 2005 20:32 (nineteen years ago) link

yeah its not emotive like berlinette was - not warm or human sounding etc. but its still emotive or atleast sentient - IMO thats the amazing thing about her; she can make for instance the sound that a city might make - and you can recognize it from a human perspective. i think that is what is so magical and futuristic about her music. and its weird too.

brilliantly otm.

Ronan, how do you find Thrills more IDM-y than Berlinette? It seems like a much more straightforwardly dance album to me, whereas Berlinette veered from maximalist bangers to glitchy experiments which could never have been meant for the dancefloor (or, fandango otm).

The Lex (The Lex), Wednesday, 6 April 2005 21:20 (nineteen years ago) link

Fandango and The Lex - thx for the back up. that came from a very vulnerable place! its just interesting- her music is really evocative of the vague energy/imprints people and time make on places. i think the last time i felt that way and was fascinated by it was when little and first hearing some Steeley Dan - which obviously achieves this in a totally different way stylistically - but still similar effect: like the voices, lyrics or storyline just provides a ref point to the main issue - which is the world in which its all happening. with steely you could HEAR the shift in albums as they moved from NY to CA and know those artists were worked off of their surroundings. their music also had a really distilled but humanish, feel kinda like ellens. I'm assuming jazz or probably classical, more likely, goes there alot, but rock/pop? and techno i think was meant for this but I haven't heard many achieve it.

Susan Douglas (Susan Douglas), Thursday, 7 April 2005 00:06 (nineteen years ago) link

two weeks pass...

Man, 'Washing Machine Is Speaking' hit me hard today. What a track.

jergins (jergins), Tuesday, 26 April 2005 02:12 (eighteen years ago) link

can someone pls repost this on YSI? thanks!

supertwerp (supertwerp), Tuesday, 26 April 2005 06:41 (eighteen years ago) link


'Washing Machine Is Speaking':

http://s11.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=1TTA49BNJK1XP2QJEUHCQ4Z8TH

jergins (jergins), Wednesday, 27 April 2005 00:15 (eighteen years ago) link

thx! found the rest of the album too and listening to it now... im a fan of her song names!

supertwerp (supertwerp), Wednesday, 27 April 2005 06:46 (eighteen years ago) link

This is still so rad. I wondered if the initial pleasures might fade but they haven't at all.

Has anyone (non-promo/press/DJ people) been able to get the single yet? I'm not sure if it isn't really out, or just sold out right now. Some of the catalouge is. Frustrating because I was going to order a few other 12"s at the same time (don't know if it makes any difference to the postage cost).

obligatory mailout with small bit of news

OUT NOW
ELLEN ALLIEN – „MAGMA“ (BPC 105)
NEW SINGLE INCL. REMIXES BY THE MFA & MODESELEKTOR

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

COMING SOON
ELLEN ALLIEN – „THRILLS“ (BPC106LP/CD)
NEW ALBUM INCL. BONUS VIDEO „DOWN“

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

„THRILLS“ RECORD RELEASE PARTY
IN ASSOCIATION WITH DESIGNMAI-YOUNGSTERS

ELLEN ALLIEN
JENNIFER CARDINI
THE MFA (LIVE)
LIKE A TIM (LIVE)
MDSLKTR DJ TEAM

MAY 15TH 2005, 11PM

WMF @ KUNSTFABRIK
AM FLUTGRABEN 3
12435 BERLIN

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

ELLEN ALLIEN / THRILLS TOUR

APRIL 22ND 2005 / GB / LONDON / THE POKE
APRIL 23RD 2005 / GB / CAMBER SANDS / ALL TOMORROW PARTIES
APRIL 29TH 2005 / DE / REGENSBURG / SUITE 15
APRIL 30TH / CH / GENEVA / WEETAMIX

MAY 7TH 2005 / ES / FRAGA / FLORIDA 135
MAY 13TH 2005 / DE / STUTTGART / M1
MAY 14TH 2005 / NL / EINDHOVEN / DE STRIJP / ELECTRONOVA
MAY 15TH 2005 / DE / BERLIN / WMF @ KUNSTFABRIK
MAY 20TH 2005 / FR / AIX EN PROVENCE / CLUB 88
MAY 21ST 2005 / FR / NANTES / OLYMPIC
MAY 25TH 2005 / DE / NUERNBERG / HIRSCH
MAY 27TH 2005 / IT / TURIN / BEACHCLUB / XPLOSIVA
MAY 28 TH 2005 / FR / PARIS / REX

JUNE 3RD 2005 / CH / ZÜRICH / TONHALLE
JUNE 4TH 2005 / GB / LONDON / KOKO / EAT YOUR OWN EARS
JUNE 18TH 2005 / ES / BARCELONA / SONAR
JUNE 23RD 2005 / DE / MÜNCHEN / HARRY KLEIN
JUNE 24TH 2005 / GB / GLASTONBURY / FESTIVAL (fuck fuck no ticket fuck fucks).

fandango (fandango), Thursday, 28 April 2005 11:50 (eighteen years ago) link

The single remixes of Magma are decent, I wouldn't twist your neck to get 'em though.

Michael F Gill (Michael F Gill), Thursday, 28 April 2005 18:02 (eighteen years ago) link

washing machine is speaking is luuuvly

rizzx (rizzx), Thursday, 28 April 2005 19:47 (eighteen years ago) link

forgive me ILX, I think I was wrong about this record

Ronan (Ronan), Monday, 2 May 2005 15:34 (eighteen years ago) link

mine copy just arrived! i've listened to the first track and was pretty excited. must go eat some pasta.

blackmail.is.my.life (blackmail.is.my.life), Monday, 2 May 2005 15:41 (eighteen years ago) link

i'm experiencing musical boredom and think I really need to go back to this cd. yeah, the first track IS great. for some reason though never got into washing machine is speaking. love the your body is my body is awesome.

Susan Douglas (Susan Douglas), Monday, 2 May 2005 15:56 (eighteen years ago) link

weird how the vinyl has been on sale for like a week now, but not the CD (yet), single finally available though!

I'm assuming that's what blackmail.is.my.life is listening to?

fandango (fandango), Monday, 2 May 2005 16:26 (eighteen years ago) link

i'm listening to a thrills promo. i've been told to expect a couple 12" in the mail though, and i'm looking forward to them.

blackmail.is.my.life (blackmail.is.my.life), Monday, 2 May 2005 16:28 (eighteen years ago) link

Does the promo have the video on?

I was fairly tempted to fork out for one that got offered on ebay recently... but the thought of it having copy-bleeps on, and possibly not having the vid make me not bother. That and it's not SO long to wait now for a real copy.

fandango (fandango), Monday, 2 May 2005 16:37 (eighteen years ago) link

when someone played this album at a house party the other week I had a total rush-of-excitement squealy reaction to the opening bars of 'Come' and demanded that the obligatory dancing-around-living-room section of the house party begin there and then.

The Lex (The Lex), Monday, 2 May 2005 22:23 (eighteen years ago) link

no video on promo xpost:

i listened to this on a brief walk and have to say that it's a lot of fun. i'm guessing something will happen with this and a few other things at the stypod in the near future.

blackmail.is.my.life (blackmail.is.my.life), Monday, 2 May 2005 23:04 (eighteen years ago) link

i was driving to school today and when the big orchan chimes of the mfa remix of 'magma' came on i was so startled! james holden played this when i saw him dj like 3 weeks ago and i'd been dying to know what it was...sounds great on a big sound system

manuel (manuel), Tuesday, 3 May 2005 02:49 (eighteen years ago) link

I haven't heard any Allien yet, much to my shame- should I start with Thrills or go back to Stadtkind or Berlinette? Or, hell, one of the mix albums?

Telephonething, Tuesday, 3 May 2005 03:26 (eighteen years ago) link

This one! It is so great!

JoB (JoB), Friday, 6 May 2005 19:12 (eighteen years ago) link

I agree - start with this one, then go to Berlinette.

Susan Douglas (Susan Douglas), Friday, 6 May 2005 19:26 (eighteen years ago) link

I agree as well. I'm really feeling "Thrills", whereas "Berlinette" felt indistinguishable from a million other German techno albums (and was blander than most of them).

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Friday, 6 May 2005 19:27 (eighteen years ago) link

ich liebe ellen - and her underarms. i keep on looking at that picture...yowza. berlinette seemed boring to me too - for about a whole month and then i got into it intensely - and more and more into it -- but i had to dig and persist and only b/c Phil S. kept telling how great it was and I didn't have much else at the time. The new one is much more immediate and its pretty different and I don't think she risks losing new listeners on it.

Susan Douglas (Susan Douglas), Friday, 6 May 2005 19:42 (eighteen years ago) link

it's so blissful, it's delicious. i;m in love with this

rizzx (rizzx), Friday, 6 May 2005 21:20 (eighteen years ago) link

This and Berlinette are both great, but very different sonically. I can more easily imagine this one passing people by on a casual listen though. Download both and see which you prefer.

xpost - which German techno albums is Berlinette blander than? (or, request for suggestions plz) Genuinely curious. It hooked me from the word go for literally months and well, I like it and rate it more than I want to say (out of fear of ridicule mostly). I'll see how I feel about it in five years time :-)

xxpost - don't sleep on Stadtkind, all her mix cd's are pretty exceptional, weiss.mix maybe having a slight over the others for badass-ness.

fandango (fandango), Friday, 6 May 2005 21:52 (eighteen years ago) link

they really are very different and depends on what you like normally like to grab at you first. i actually can see someone not getting into thrills immediately, however IMO its a better album in that it seems to have no excess baggage, it seems lean and close to the source - i think maybe she downloaded it from her vein or something. its hard for me to discuss the 2 though - its over my head. thats why i concentrate on her as a sex object.

Susan Douglas (Susan Douglas), Friday, 6 May 2005 22:07 (eighteen years ago) link

weiss.mix maybe having a slight edge. doh.

second thoughts: "a million other German techno albums" maybe only like 10-20 suggestions! I seem to buy a few already and a million would surely bankrupt me for good ;-)

fandango (fandango), Friday, 6 May 2005 22:08 (eighteen years ago) link

xpost - which German techno albums is Berlinette blander than? (or, request for suggestions plz) Genuinely curious.

OK, I exaggerated a bit :) ... but I thought that "Berlinette" tried to cover "minimalism" + "playful melodies", much in the same vein as The Modernist (actually, like most of Jorg Burger's work), Jurgen Paape, and Salz. "Berlinette" is half of a good album but it just didn't hook me for 50 minutes.

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Saturday, 7 May 2005 00:22 (eighteen years ago) link

Okay cool, I'll look into those. Don't really know much about any of those names. Cheers!

fandango (fandango), Saturday, 7 May 2005 00:39 (eighteen years ago) link

That's an odd comparison (Burger vs Allien.) Surely Burger has had his hand in pop productions ("Everybody's Kissing," a couple of tracks on "Kangmei," his "Teil 1" compilation,) but none of his full-lengths as The Modernist or even Triola are as pop-based as those. I'd even say his Modernist albums are kind of hard to listen through in one sitting. His tracks always work better individually to me (see "Apple Electronics," "Abi 99," or "Waldorf Hysteria".) "Berlinette" also has about as much idm/glitch elements as Burger has used in his entire career.

Michael F Gill (Michael F Gill), Saturday, 7 May 2005 01:01 (eighteen years ago) link

I can sort of hear where MindInRewind is coming from. As much as you can hear anything from 30 second realplayer clips off Amazon that is :-/

*eyes cheapish Modernist album suspiciously* I do NOT need more German electronic music this month >_< This stuff is like crack.

fandango (fandango), Saturday, 7 May 2005 01:10 (eighteen years ago) link

four weeks pass...
Really excellent front cover feature in DJ mag (UK) this month.

Also a free CD ... but it's boring as hell, despite a trendy label selection [wave music, rz, get physical, kailash, traum, mood music, mental groove, 2020 vision, sexonwax, more music, superfred].

fandango (fandango), Monday, 6 June 2005 18:59 (eighteen years ago) link

Oh, the video for 'Down' is hilarious btw :D

fandango (fandango), Monday, 6 June 2005 19:03 (eighteen years ago) link


I have no big pro/anti Pitchfork sentiments, but does it seem weird that Thrills didn't get a top-level review (or whatever you call it) today?

jergins (jergins), Friday, 17 June 2005 19:16 (eighteen years ago) link


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