Juan Atkins has never had a S&D thread...

i might vote for infiniti ... do we need track by track breakdown?

Everyone (except Vahid Mk I) OTM about Deep Space - esp. Mike when he says "I think he managed to nail the "Detroit techno as future jazz" tag on several cuts with this album."

Also I agree with this:

"Now the dust has settled on the first wave of that Detroit techno thing, it's his music that shines the most."

it took a

enigmatic!

oops

it took a while for "deep space" to click with me but it finally did.

still, i really do still think that his "infiniti" work is better than his "model 500" work. there are great model 500 tracks like "starlight" and "i wanna be there" but "game one" lords over them all and i think the infiniti albums are really amazing when taken as whole works, much more so than "mind and body" and with an edge over "deep space".

i should proofread my posts for redundancy

Vahid you didn't respond to my Quentin Harris questions on the Dennis Ferrer thread :-(

I agree with vahid re Infiniti>Model 500, to the extent that when i saw M500 live a few weeks back the enjoyment was stifled by this colossal urge to want to hear 'game one', 'i-94', 'skyway' and 'rebound' alongside 'cosmic cars' etc.

Track down the remix of Annette's Dream 17 and you might change your mind about Derrick. Juan and Derrick are about equal in the 80's. The 90's are a different story...

anyone going to see him tonight?

torn knee ligament here :(

how was juan atkins last night ?

pretty good-- he played a lot more proto-house and house than i expected, but also did some major detroit damage too. well worth it!

he was great! i missed the beginning of his set, but he finished with some disco classics; karen young "hot shot," young & company "i like what youre doing to me," etc. there's a review on this blog: http://bananaspam.blogspot.com/2008/08/juan-atkins-at-bodyheat-part-two.html

What about remixes? I have this vague recollection of Dan Sicko talking about something that JA remixed on a small Detroit label around a decade ago that was supposed to be amazing.

TAKING SIDES

INFINITI

vs

MODEL 500

I actually like Infiniti and cybotron stuff better than M500 overall

don't force me to choose! it will hurt. how about a top 5 tracks instead?
1. Cybotron "Enter"
2. Model 500 "Starlight"
3. Model 500 "Night Drive"
4. Infiniti "Game One'
5. Model 600 "Update"

yeah it is a canonical list but the canon is a canon for a reason. also i haven't heard skynet net, i just have the single.

To understand the marvel that is Deep Space, you need to suck deep on the Devil's weed.

"starlight" remixes on echospace ... gilding the lily, or what?

Mike Huckaby's S Y N T H Mix

^^ ps everyone is creaming themselves whenever they see this after a track name but imo this new huckaby direction is not that great

some of that stuff just sounds like it's sufficiently sophisticated "intelligent" dub techno/house that would be shopping mall music except that it's too depressing.

your comment is trite and lazy

perhaps you think so. just because something is ultra well produced and lush and coming from a very respected stable/part of the world does not make entertaining, that's my point. there's very little to get excited about and a lot of it is completely useless music for djing with. where is the rhythm?

what was your reason for dislike?

"shopping mall music" is a lazy thing to say. but "completely useless for dj'ing" is, i guess, at least arguable

where is the rhythm vahid?

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those would all make good UR track titles

haha

i like "guard against daydreaming"

i listened to this again tonight and i think that compared to a lot of dub techno this set of remixes is actually *unusually* rhythmic, especially compared to the other recent batch of echospace releases

Mike Huckaby's S Y N T H Mix

^^ ps everyone is creaming themselves whenever they see this after a track name but imo this new huckaby direction is not that great

The "Starlight" remix was good, if completely by-the-numbers. So yeah, I agree with you.

"Now the dust has settled on the first wave of that Detroit techno thing, it's his music that shines the most."

Ten years ago, I would have not accepted any answer other than "Derrick May", but now, I'm convinced that the most valuable treasure trove lies in Kevin Saunderson's work. Atkins' complaints in the 1994 Wired interview about commercial radio not accepting techno are a bit baffling, considering that KS had supplied the blueprint for radio-friendly techno years earlier.

"by the numbers" is exactly what i thought

Ten years ago, I would have not accepted any answer other than "Derrick May", but now, I'm convinced that the most valuable treasure trove lies in Kevin Saunderson's work. Atkins' complaints in the 1994 Wired interview about commercial radio not accepting techno are a bit baffling, considering that KS had supplied the blueprint for radio-friendly techno years earlier.

thing is they really do set their own stalls out so well, each one covering an area (not in terms of what their tracks do but in how they sound doing it) the other two tend don't so much (with some exceptions no doubt e.g. when i heard Atkins 'Other Side Of Life' i wished Inner City had sounded a bit more like that)

i don't know if Atkins had in mind the kind of music Saunderson hit with when he said that but yeah if he meant 'why can't we hear 'Game One' or 'Star Dancer' during drive time?' then altho i agree with him that would be 'unrealistic'

"by the numbers" very meaningful. good to see the trite criticisms shot down convincingly with that ray of meaning.

RS: 12 | Guns n' Roses: Chinese Democracy

They had this ranking all gift-wrapped and ready to go by September, didn't they?

whoa, wrong thread, sorry!

"by the numbers" is at least saying something about the music in relation to other musics, whereas "shopping mall music" just tells us about the listener's social prejudices

in relation to the listener's opinion of other musics you mean?

a lot of shopping malls play a sort of house music that you don't hear in clubs too much, which is heavy on melody, eg all those "bargrooves" compilations. I agree with the above poster that dub house/techno in 2008 (esp the Detroit guys like Scott/Huckaby etc) is veering towards this territory, albeit with a great deal more respect given. it's some seriously gloopy shit which is great to listen to but can't imagine dancing to it apart from perhaps way afterhours.

As to whether calling something shopping mall music denotes prejudice, think you're jumping the gun there.

think you're grasping at straws there

great counter argument, ffs, for someone who rebukes so freely you also rebuke pretty lazily.

you honestly think the "starlight" remixes set sounds like bargrooves?

sorry to be lazy, but if that's honestly what you think i'm not going to bother putting in the work

No I honestly think what I said above. Don't bother putting in the work then, for all I know you're actually asleep. The sheer amount of times "this is wrong" is thrown about without any worthwhile discussion on dance threads around here lately is a fucking joke...

you said it's "shopping mall music", i'm telling you it's not, because unlike isolee or lindstrom or michael mayer you're not actually going to hear those in a shopping mall (i heard all three of those in major chain mall stores this year)

you're telling me it's "more melodic" than other dub techno. actually, i disagree. i won't argue that the source material ("starlight" itself) is more melodic than most dub techno, but compared to other recent high-profile releases (like, say, "the coldest season" or the recent mikkel metal album) the remixes of starlight are pretty spaced out.

but even compared to monolake or maurizio tracks ...

I said it's equivalent to shopping mall music...techno with no purpose.

also you've way reduced several other points too, where did I say it was "more melodic than other dub techno"?????

a lot of shopping malls play a sort of house music ... which is heavy on melody ... dub house/techno in 2008 ... is veering towards this territory

maybe if you hate all ambient techno, this really isn't the right thread for u?

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