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Cafeteria is perfectly fine but there are so many beter places to eat in Chelsea. Park is not one of them.

felicity (felicity), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 17:08 (twenty-one years ago) link

I like where Matos wrote "gareth must go." It reminds me of Jade from BBC BB2 (I think 2?).

felicity (felicity), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 17:09 (twenty-one years ago) link

Les Halles is the joint where Anthony Bourdain chefs, I've got a lot of respect for him. I like down home country french cookery.

Ed (dali), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 17:13 (twenty-one years ago) link

New York is terrible for sushi though.

in my experience, this is somewhat true (while not exactly terrible) not only for NYC but for anywhere off the pacific rim. you can only freeze seafood for so long before you sacrifice freshness.

that being said: nobu nyc was really great ALL THINGS CONSIDERED (ie, far lesser than nobu la and on par with nobu vega$). i will be going to the original nobu next month... anyone ever been?

gygax! (gygax!), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 18:19 (twenty-one years ago) link

which is where?

Ed (dali), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 18:26 (twenty-one years ago) link

omotesando/aoyamagakuinchumae, minatoku (tokyo)

gygax! (gygax!), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 18:29 (twenty-one years ago) link

aha

Ed (dali), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 18:29 (twenty-one years ago) link

I've never been to Les Halles and I only live four blocks away! Must make up for that shortly. (I hear it's pretty expensive, though, which is not good if like me yr on something of a budget.)

M Matos (M Matos), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 20:30 (twenty-one years ago) link

gosh i am getting hungry. here is a more specific question. where in nyc should i go to get steak bearnaise mit pommes frites? ("mit" is german bcz that is where i first had bearnaise ;-)

Aaron Grossman (aajjgg), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 20:37 (twenty-one years ago) link

I used to go to Kybher Pass all the time when I was in college. It was pretty good. When I came back from Japan the only sushi I could eat without gagging was at hasaki and zutto. (Nobu is good but fancy not like real Japanese sushi.)

Mary (Mary), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 23:40 (twenty-one years ago) link

Good cheap Dominican food is at El Castillo de Jagua on Rivington.

Mary (Mary), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 00:58 (twenty-one years ago) link

(The sushi chef at NaNa not only used to work at Nobu but he designed the menus at Sushi Samba and Ruby Foo's - never had sushi quite that good before though I'm no expert - the RICE was so good - the widdle wice gwains were totally individual with their own little "pop" when I bit into them)

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 02:35 (twenty-one years ago) link

Lombardi's is extrodinarily overrated.

I will second Serendipity but not the food, the desserts are where it's at.

Ally (mlescaut), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 03:20 (twenty-one years ago) link

Cafeteria is perfectly fine but there are so many beter places to eat in Chelsea. Park is not one of them.

Oh Lord, tell me about it. I worked there for three months and the food is horrific [and really fucking expensive]. Though I have to say, the Brunch isn't that bad if you don't mind terrible service. $17 for 2 courses and a mimosa, in a really nice garden. The place looks prety nice, in the early evening when all the trashy people haven't arrived yet. Anyways, NYC restaurants spend too much money on design and not enough on, like, food.

Lombardi's is the best pizza in New York, but still can't beat pizza in CHICAGO!!

love,
phil

phil-two (phil-two), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 04:09 (twenty-one years ago) link

oo, I forgot about Serendipity. If you go there, make sure to check out Dylan's Candy Bar (a candy store) on the corner of the 3d and 60th. Twee if that's an appropriate word for something owned by Ralph Lauren's daughter. Not very brown though.

Also, must have bagels. Most NY'ers go for the enormous, doughy variety epitomized by H&H Bagels.You can also get this variety at Pick-A-Bagel (and Ess-A-Bagel? which some consider the best). The classic, smaller, crustier kind are probably epitomized by Columbia Bagels (also sold at Zabar's, which is essential in its own right).

I'm pretty sure the pizza place Matos is referring to is Totonno's, on Second Ave between 80th and 81st. It's a branch of the Coney Island original, which is considered one of if not the best in NY, but the branch is supposed to be not quite as good (I've never been).

I miss Ed Debevic's too.

Aspirational: Howard Johnson's Midtown

Intrigued by this description - ? Is this like how you would describe the late Sholl's Colonial Cafeteria in DC?

gabbneb (gabbneb), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 04:27 (twenty-one years ago) link

it's not Totonno's, it's more of a semi-fancy (subdued brown interior, but decent prices) Italian place on First.

M Matos (M Matos), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 07:44 (twenty-one years ago) link

the best pizza i have ever eaten was made in the bronx.

also hoboken, nj.

geeta (geeta), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 08:39 (twenty-one years ago) link

Haha eating from the Khyber Pass, cor blimey.

Tim (Tim), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 08:57 (twenty-one years ago) link

the best pizza I've ever eaten was in Seattle, at Pagliacci's, a great local chain

M Matos (M Matos), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 09:23 (twenty-one years ago) link

Les Halles is definately in the pretty expensive bracket, Bourdain Recommends that the best night to eat out in NYC are tuesady, wednesday, thursday.

Ed (dali), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 09:33 (twenty-one years ago) link

I just finished reading his cook's tour book. I think I need to go to Vietnam. And St John.

chris (chris), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 09:38 (twenty-one years ago) link

Sammy's Roumanian Steakhouse!

Colin Meeder (Mert), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 09:56 (twenty-one years ago) link

Agreed, Vietnam seems to be culinary utopia. (if you have already read his Kitchen Confidential as well)

Ed (dali), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 10:04 (twenty-one years ago) link

I have and in a way prefer Cooks tour in that it gives a better idea of what chefs actually prefer to eat which I always find interesting. The food in Thailand was amazing (and equally ropey at times) but Vietnam seems to be one step further.

chris (chris), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 10:22 (twenty-one years ago) link

Oh, I agree entirely. its much more revalatory into the motivations.

Ed (dali), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 10:26 (twenty-one years ago) link

four months pass...
I'm pretty sure the pizza place Matos is referring to is Totonno's, on Second Ave between 80th and 81st. It's a branch of the Coney Island original, which is considered one of if not the best in NY, but the branch is supposed to be not quite as good (I've never been).

This will be my next C.I. destination, along with Garguilos.

Gareth and I went to Rocking Horse Cafe. I thought it might be more faux-authentic but it was all Chelsea-trendy. Gareth's burritos were good but my enchildas were a bit acidic. However, my watermelon margarita was delicious.

What's the DC place you mention above, gab?

Also, last time Gareth and I went to Ghenet. The food was great, I think it was the best Ethiopian I've had, but the atmosphere a bit obnoxious. And there were no red beets:(

I hate to say it to the PacificRim people, but I doubt the average sushi over there is any different from the average sushi over here. I've only had the SF variety, but it was nothing to write home about. I doubt that Seattle does any better. New York has great sushi -- you just have to go to Hasaki or Zutto if you like freshness, and anywhere else if you like oversized slabs of chokability.

Today I got Gareth bagels and biyalis from Grand St. (he was too hung over to leave the house ahem) and a chocolate donut from Planet Donut, also on Grand.

The other restaurant we went to this time was Liberty Heights Brewery in the Hook. The pizza was really good (once it finally came) and the Red Hook Blonde and IPA beers were nice, but the decor was all Dumbo/Red Hook waterfront yuppie. (Gareth calls it heritization.)

Has anyone eaten at the New Leaf Cafe by the Cloisters?

Mary (Mary), Monday, 14 July 2003 05:47 (twenty years ago) link

(Also, because I'm feeling contrary, I don't understand what the big deal is with Vietnam food. The Vietnam food over here is delicious to be sure, but in Vietnam they just cut open a big fish slap it down on the table and expect you to eat it. I didn't read Kitchen Confidential so I don't know what Bourdain found over there but.....)

((Also: Pakistan Tea House is good, cheap, poetically named [where's the tea?] etc., but it is hardly the high point of Indian cuisine in NY. And college students outnumber cabbies there now by a lot.) )

Mary (Mary), Monday, 14 July 2003 06:00 (twenty years ago) link

burn on gabbneb (literally, in fact). if Pakistan tea house is not the high point, I'd be quite excited to visit the real one.

West coast sushi v. East coast sushi - my parents (them again; living vicariously through your parents - c/d?) consider San Diego's Sushi Ota the best they've ever had.

(wonders whether people know that Red Hook beer comes from Seattle)

The place in DC, per former W. Post restaurant critic (and the first critic to whom I was beholden) Phyllis Richman's last dining guide before retirement...

Your mother doesn't make rice pudding anymore? She buys her biscuits from the refrigerator case and her pies from the freezer? You need SHOLL'S, the venerable cafeteria that starts the morning with fresh doughnuts and brightens the evening with seasonal vegetables and house-made rolls, biscuits, cakes and pies. It's hardly more expensive than cooking for yourself, and while the food is as plain as plain can be, it is all made from scratch.

Maybe you've forgotten old-fashioned chopped steak, flavorful and juicy even though it is worlds away from rare. It's my favorite entree here, with mashed potatoes and the thin brown pan gravy. Chicken is apt to be dry, and fish can go either way; look carefully before you choose. But anything that's braised, stewed or immersed in gravy has a homey goodness. Crab cakes are as creamy as croquettes, and though they may be more filler than crab, they have a powerful charm.

SHOLL's is a crossroads. it serves both old-timers who probably eat all their meals there and busloads of schoolkids on field trips. Pennywise lawyers dine a table away from homeless people on a splurge. it's friendly, wholesome and as reliable as 70 years can promise.

gabbneb (gabbneb), Tuesday, 15 July 2003 02:29 (twenty years ago) link

three months pass...
I am need of a good traditional (East Village) local Italian restaurant. Any recommedations? Establishments further afield are welcome as well. I really enjoyed Locanda Vini in Fort Greene and would like to try Bamonte's in Williamsburg.

Mary (Mary), Monday, 20 October 2003 21:04 (twenty years ago) link

piadina on the corner of 11th & b, gnocco on 10th between a & b, mosto on the corner of 2nd ave & 5th street.

lauren (laurenp), Monday, 20 October 2003 21:45 (twenty years ago) link

There are several very good ones on 2nd and 4th, just away from the F stop on 2nd Ave. The tiramisu at Frutti di Mare was really good but I haven't been there in like a year so I can't vouch for current goodness. They were all good though a year ago, and cheap.

Allyzay, Tuesday, 21 October 2003 02:26 (twenty years ago) link

Locanda Vini is a half block away from my house.

hstencil, Tuesday, 21 October 2003 04:23 (twenty years ago) link

Do you go there?

Mary (Mary), Tuesday, 21 October 2003 04:46 (twenty years ago) link

of course! Although it is a little pricey and I don't have a lot of extra money to spend on eating out these days, I have eaten there.

hstencil, Tuesday, 21 October 2003 04:56 (twenty years ago) link

one month passes...

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this place is fantastic, i totally love this place, HUGE portions, really cheap, and really nice

charltonlido (gareth), Tuesday, 9 December 2003 11:34 (twenty years ago) link

what about that malaysian place off, er, doyers st?

charltonlido (gareth), Tuesday, 9 December 2003 11:52 (twenty years ago) link

is it downstairs? maybe it's malaysia indonesia? i've been there once and liked it, but my favorite is sentosa on allen and canal (right next to another, not as good malaysian restaurant) - AMAZING. also, there's a tiny little shop on (i think) pell and doyers that has sweets/desserts and a few steam table dishes. never had the latter, but the it's a great place to get fun little treats to go (green coconut jelly, custard wrapped in banana leaf, etc).

lauren (laurenp), Tuesday, 9 December 2003 12:48 (twenty years ago) link

its not on doyers i think, but theres like a covered alleyway/precint thing, maybe off elizabeth st.

doyers st is the one with vietnam on isnt it?

charltonlido (gareth), Tuesday, 9 December 2003 13:01 (twenty years ago) link

yeah, vietnam is on doyers.
gah. this is bugging me. i don't think i know what restaurant you mean, but a covered alleway sounds intriguing. there's a small shop on elizabeth that makes malaysian-style beef jerky, but that's just a counter. oh, wait... maybe it's new malaysia in the chinatown arcade? that's between bowery and elizabeth. haven't been there in a few years, but i remember it being excellent.

lauren (laurenp), Tuesday, 9 December 2003 13:39 (twenty years ago) link

between bowery and elizabeth sounds about right i think

charltonlido (gareth), Tuesday, 9 December 2003 13:54 (twenty years ago) link

Monster Sushi
158 West 23rd Street


The Old Town Tavern on 18th
burger/fries/cold beer

kephm, Tuesday, 9 December 2003 17:34 (twenty years ago) link

Is the place they had on NBC still around?

miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Tuesday, 9 December 2003 17:40 (twenty years ago) link

six months pass...
I think I know the answer, but can anyone tell me definitively whether one can find pupusas on the Upper East Side? Is there maybe a Mexican restaurant run by Salvadorans that makes them? Off the menu somewhere?

gabbneb (gabbneb), Sunday, 20 June 2004 14:04 (nineteen years ago) link

you should do a search on chowhound.com. if they can't help you, then you're out of luck. if you feel like a trip to brooklyn, el viejo yayo on 5th avenue between bergen and dean makes very tasty pupusas.

lauren (laurenp), Sunday, 20 June 2004 17:46 (nineteen years ago) link

not that this helps, but there's a great pupasaria (sp?) near Grand and Graham, I think.

hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 21 June 2004 02:12 (nineteen years ago) link

el viejo yayo = the old cocaine??!?!?!? heh.

hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 21 June 2004 02:12 (nineteen years ago) link

el viejo yayo

tony montana's favorite pupusa joint!

Eisbär (llamasfur), Monday, 21 June 2004 02:14 (nineteen years ago) link

XPOST

Eisbär (llamasfur), Monday, 21 June 2004 02:14 (nineteen years ago) link

If I'd had time hstencil I was going to take you for dinner at La Fiesta here in Winnipeg. Their pupusas are friggin' good as are their burrito poderosos, which are burritos the size of your arm.

Bryan (Bryan), Monday, 21 June 2004 02:17 (nineteen years ago) link

I would've liked that, it sounds good. The burritos I got elsewhere in Canada were pretty horrible.

hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 21 June 2004 02:19 (nineteen years ago) link


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