but if the other candidate for most promising young american author is just john grisham, then...― Philip Nunez,
― Philip Nunez,
I met John Grisham a few weeks ago and he was extremely nice.
― New Jersey (treeship 2), Thursday, 30 November 2017 01:56 (six years ago) link
Just friendly, genuine, and normal. I’ve found that many writers are like this and it does make me feel annoyed with the ones who are not.
― New Jersey (treeship 2), Thursday, 30 November 2017 01:58 (six years ago) link
Like tao lin, who is passive aggressive and manipulative. Defending the tyrant guy is clearly bullshit. I think it’s impossible to mount a defense of tao lin based on what e says or does — it’s the books themselves that are interesting
― New Jersey (treeship 2), Thursday, 30 November 2017 02:01 (six years ago) link
its unpacking the word 'interesting' that is needed from tao lin proponents, imo
instead of being like, it has this general worthiness that should be appreciated
― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Thursday, 30 November 2017 02:10 (six years ago) link
I actually think this is a cool idea to potentially get more unheard voices published that wouldn't otherwise be published but the guy that runs NY Tyrant is a huge cokehead and I can't trust anyone on cocaine
this post sounds like it was written on cocaine
― sciatica, Thursday, 30 November 2017 03:10 (six years ago) link
If you've ever had to wade through a slush pile you might think it less of a cool idea. The ratio of unpublishable to publishable is about 1000:1
― Zelda Zonk, Thursday, 30 November 2017 03:27 (six years ago) link
The ratio of unpublishable to publishable is about 1000:1
This makes you complicit in the great "we control the canon" conspiracy. It would be even worse if you identify as a dead white man.
― A is for (Aimless), Thursday, 30 November 2017 03:32 (six years ago) link
this is not why tao lin became well known!
I see you are under the impression that tao lin became well known.
― A is for (Aimless), Thursday, 30 November 2017 03:34 (six years ago) link
well known enough for an ilx thread? your arguments are embarrassing and bad
― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Thursday, 30 November 2017 04:09 (six years ago) link
sorry for resorting to the objective lol but
― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Thursday, 30 November 2017 04:10 (six years ago) link
― A is for (Aimless), Wednesday, November 29, 2017 9:32 PM (fifty-two minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
it makes me angry how stupid this post is. like ffs
― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Thursday, 30 November 2017 04:26 (six years ago) link
the sins of dead white men are many and great, beside which I count their setting up canons of literature they admired as being on the order of pinching the cheeks of children as a misguided gesture of fondness. get angry about slavery and colonial wars, deej. not about Homer, Horace and Virgil.
― A is for (Aimless), Thursday, 30 November 2017 04:32 (six years ago) link
your arguments are embarrassing and bad
which is only to say that they do not sway you, while phrasing it in a bad and embarrassing way.
― A is for (Aimless), Thursday, 30 November 2017 04:36 (six years ago) link
lol yeah definitely don't get mad about the systematic exclusion of non-euro voices from the academic/literary canon. who needs em?
― reggae mike love (polyphonic), Thursday, 30 November 2017 04:40 (six years ago) link
You are giving that academic/literary canon far more power than it ever had in real life. It is mostly an illusion. You seem to accept that this is a massive injustice, rather than a middling minor one. The prestige of the canon you're so mad about has been waning as fast as Latin classes in high school.
At this moment in history you have rapid access to a vast wealth of non-euro voices, more than you could read in the decades left to you. Bitching because kiddies aren't being spoon fed them accomplishes nothing. Just go read them if you want to. You are free to browse the pastures of literature as whim or interest guides you, and all those kiddies have the internet, and they can wander hither and thither, too, if you can pry them away from the porn.
― A is for (Aimless), Thursday, 30 November 2017 04:53 (six years ago) link
the era of infinite accessibility means cultural gatekeepers matter more, not less, and academic/literary canons are no longer so easily separable from internet/twitter/porn culture, it seems.
― Philip Nunez, Thursday, 30 November 2017 05:37 (six years ago) link
― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Wednesday, November 29, 2017 9:10 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
why
no one owes you anything
this isn't a tribunal
there are no "art crimes"
and i despise cocaine and cokeheads
― flappy bird, Thursday, 30 November 2017 05:39 (six years ago) link
Feel free not to post in the thread for an author whose work other people like
― flappy bird, Thursday, 30 November 2017 05:40 (six years ago) link
i just saw 20 minutes of bad mom's xmas and disagree heartily that there are no art crimes.
― Philip Nunez, Thursday, 30 November 2017 05:50 (six years ago) link
― flappy bird, Wednesday, November 29, 2017 11:39 PM (twelve minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
i meant if they want this conversation to extend past 'well hes a shithead so i dont care about him'
― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Thursday, 30 November 2017 05:52 (six years ago) link
― A is for (Aimless), Wednesday, November 29, 2017 10:53 PM (fifty-nine minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
are you really this bad at comprehending the argument in front of you? this isnt just about the literary canon, its about every fucking thing
― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Thursday, 30 November 2017 05:53 (six years ago) link
I don't feel strongly enough about Tao Lin or Taipei anymore to unpack why I find it interesting, beyond what I've already said here recently and what I probably said 4 years ago
― flappy bird, Thursday, 30 November 2017 05:55 (six years ago) link
Who would be Tao Lin's successor?
― Philip Nunez, Thursday, 30 November 2017 05:59 (six years ago) link
OTTESSA MOSHFEGH
― flappy bird, Thursday, 30 November 2017 06:00 (six years ago) link
― flappy bird, Wednesday, November 29, 2017 11:55 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
ok then what are you even arguing about?
― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Thursday, 30 November 2017 06:04 (six years ago) link
― Philip Nunez, Thursday, November 30, 2017 12:59 AM (nine minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― flappy bird, Thursday, November 30, 2017 1:00 AM (seven minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
dude wtf
― flopson, Thursday, 30 November 2017 06:09 (six years ago) link
why u slime otessa like that
― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Wednesday, November 29, 2017 11:04 PM (five minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
https://youtu.be/V_3JMIF5rVI?t=18m7s
― sleepingbag, Thursday, 30 November 2017 06:10 (six years ago) link
― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Thursday, November 30, 2017 1:04 AM (five minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
haha i'm not arguing anything! i didnt bump the thread, we veered into a general discussion about art and if it is inextricable from its creator, and then briefly back to Taipei
flopson do you not like Ottessa Moshfegh?
― flappy bird, Thursday, 30 November 2017 06:12 (six years ago) link
xp ah, no i only meant she's the most promising young american author at the moment imo
― flappy bird, Thursday, 30 November 2017 06:13 (six years ago) link
― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Thursday, 30 November 2017 06:04 (two hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Dude
― moyesery loves kompany (darraghmac), Thursday, 30 November 2017 09:00 (six years ago) link
why are you 'dude'-ing me? he's the one who wants to defend the right to defend tao lin, which hes not interested in doing
― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Thursday, 30 November 2017 09:14 (six years ago) link
Read that again, out if character if u can (please god d-40 is a character u assume on ilx, for your sake)
― moyesery loves kompany (darraghmac), Thursday, 30 November 2017 09:18 (six years ago) link
no i wrote that exactly how i meant it bud
― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Thursday, 30 November 2017 09:23 (six years ago) link
maybe you need to read it again
― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Thursday, 30 November 2017 09:24 (six years ago) link
Once was enough ........pal
― moyesery loves kompany (darraghmac), Thursday, 30 November 2017 09:27 (six years ago) link
whats your issue with me exactly?
hes passionately defending his right to defend tao lin, who he has no interest in defending. its pointless
― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Thursday, 30 November 2017 09:29 (six years ago) link
these kinds of abstract head game unrealities are the kinds of weird pseudo politics all you dudes traffic in in these arguments anyway, as long as it can be presented in a tone of smug knowing-ness. its very easy to see thru
― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Thursday, 30 November 2017 09:31 (six years ago) link
Why do you think that is hmmm?.....m8
― moyesery loves kompany (darraghmac), Thursday, 30 November 2017 09:45 (six years ago) link
you like jacking each other off is my main theory
― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Thursday, 30 November 2017 09:49 (six years ago) link
Aren't u og jackoff sesh
Anyways Tao Lin defend yr rights itt to d40 or else.....guvnor
― moyesery loves kompany (darraghmac), Thursday, 30 November 2017 09:51 (six years ago) link
...? who asked for that
― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Thursday, 30 November 2017 10:07 (six years ago) link
the same person who asserted that dead white men are the worst, i guess? i.e. a strawman.
― horseshoe, Thursday, 30 November 2017 16:38 (six years ago) link
get angry about slavery and colonial wars, deej. not about Homer, Horace and Virgil.
i lol'd mightily at this last night
― ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Thursday, 30 November 2017 16:42 (six years ago) link
how about "defend the indefensible: tao lin"
― flappy bird, Friday, 1 December 2017 18:32 (six years ago) link
I oppose the Stalinist/Pitchforkian tendency on this board to go back and change thread titles.
― New Jersey (treeship 2), Sunday, 3 December 2017 17:33 (six years ago) link
I don’t care about the thread title actually changing but I agree that a more interesting conversation would probably come from that prompt
― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Sunday, 3 December 2017 19:52 (six years ago) link
But the fact that it had the former & not latter title says a lot !
― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Sunday, 3 December 2017 19:53 (six years ago) link
https://mic.com/articles/186533/the-art-vs-artist-debate-should-end-with-2017?curator=MediaREDEF#.gFGKqFF1u
despite the fact that this essay doesn't really say anything, i find myself mostly agreeing with it
― k3vin k., Monday, 4 December 2017 19:16 (six years ago) link
I oppose the Stalinist/Pitchforkian tendency on this board to go back and change thread titles.― New Jersey (treeship 2), Sunday, December 3, 2017 12:33 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― New Jersey (treeship 2), Sunday, December 3, 2017 12:33 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
yeah i'm not sure how i feel about it, i finally remembered which thread title was changed recently: "Crystal Castles (rule)" or something. I don't have any investment in CC but understand why some people would want to change that thread title. i mean, thread titles don't get changed very often afaik. with this thread, i actually think a defend the indefensible is more fitting and would've been in 2013.
I don’t care about the thread title actually changing but I agree that a more interesting conversation would probably come from that prompt― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Sunday, December 3, 2017 2:52 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Sunday, December 3, 2017 2:52 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
agreed
But the fact that it had the former & not latter title says a lot !― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Sunday, December 3, 2017 2:53 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Sunday, December 3, 2017 2:53 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Not sure what you mean. Again this was 4 years ago, I was psyched on Taipei, not much thought went into the thread title, not a fraction of the angst over it itt atm
― flappy bird, Monday, 4 December 2017 19:23 (six years ago) link