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― "the whale saw her" (gabbneb), Thursday, 14 May 2009 21:35 (4 years ago) Permalink
yeah that song is even better in person
― Mr. Que, Thursday, 14 May 2009 21:36 (4 years ago) Permalink
and yeah Shakey I think it's the that here that makes it so weird.
she thought it was derogatory to refer to Jewish people as "Jews".
lol, i was raised Catholic and I thought the same thing for awhile
― Mr. Que, Thursday, 14 May 2009 21:37 (4 years ago) Permalink
so this "That Jew!" thing with Chuck Schumer (which totally just makes me think of "That Girl!") reminded me of something I wanted to ask my fellow Jews... my wife (Hungarian, raised as a Catholic but now she's pretty much buddhist-pagan-whatever) was talking with me the other day about how, for the longest time, she thought it was derogatory to refer to Jewish people as "Jews". I said no, of course not, people who are Jewish are Jews. As a proper noun, there's nothing wrong with it. Used as a VERB ("he jewed me out of my college fund!") or an ADJECTIVE ("Jew lawyer") then that's anti-semitic, a slur, etc. But then there's this thing with Schumer.... I mean, obviously referring to him as "that Jew" is rude at best... but is it just the "that" in front of it that makes it so? I mean, Schumer IS a Jew, its not like he called him a kike or anything. Is this like when McCain referred to Obama as "that one"?
― High in Openness (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, May 14, 2009 9:32 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
it's the "that" but also calling someone "a" jew seems like it has a bit of a pejorative connotation, just because it makes the jewishness the sole defining quality. like calling someone "a" black.
― s1ocki, Thursday, 14 May 2009 21:40 (4 years ago) Permalink
Yeah, the nasty part wasn't "Jew," it was "that." Like "that woman." Or when McCain called Obama "that guy."
― Mordy, Thursday, 14 May 2009 21:46 (4 years ago) Permalink
I work with a girl who called South Williamsburg "the Jew section" and called Andy Samberg "the young Jew on SNL".
― tokyo rosemary, Thursday, 14 May 2009 21:47 (4 years ago) Permalink
hmmm.... yeah I guess the pejorative thing is key here. This all came up because my wife was asking if one of our friends was Jewish and I think I said "oh yeah, he's a Jew" and she was all "how come you can say that and I can't?" and I said "what the hell are you talking about? He's Jewish! He's a Jew!" etc. you can guess the rest
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― High in Openness (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 14 May 2009 21:49 (4 years ago) Permalink
as a response to "is he jewish" it's ok, but if you're like just generally calling him "a jew" it would be weird
― s1ocki, Thursday, 14 May 2009 21:52 (4 years ago) Permalink
like, "you know that jew i work with? he's really into lost."
b/c of the whole desert thing?
― bnw, Thursday, 14 May 2009 21:53 (4 years ago) Permalink
i think the main thing is that it just seems irrelevant to the context here?
― Ømår Littel (Jordan), Thursday, 14 May 2009 21:54 (4 years ago) Permalink
lol bnw
― rip dom passantino 3/5/09 never forget (max), Thursday, 14 May 2009 21:55 (4 years ago) Permalink
^^^ditto
― High in Openness (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 14 May 2009 21:55 (4 years ago) Permalink
which is basically what slocki said. there's nothing inherently wrong with the phrase "a jew" or even "that jew", but it's reductive and weird in this context.
― Ømår Littel (Jordan), Thursday, 14 May 2009 21:56 (4 years ago) Permalink
What about bringing back "Jewess"?
― But not someone who should be dead anyway (Laurel), Thursday, 14 May 2009 21:56 (4 years ago) Permalink
Also see "Mexican".
― •--• --- --- •--• (Pleasant Plains), Thursday, 14 May 2009 21:57 (4 years ago) Permalink
what about the month of "Jew-n"
― rip dom passantino 3/5/09 never forget (max), Thursday, 14 May 2009 21:57 (4 years ago) Permalink
Jack: It's not because you're a... I'm sorry. What... do you call... yourself ?Elisa: A Puerto Rican.Jack: No, I know you can say that but what do I call you?Elisa: Puerto Rican.Jack: Wow. That does not sound right.
― Ømår Littel (Jordan), Thursday, 14 May 2009 21:57 (4 years ago) Permalink
when i make hamantashen and give them to friends i sometimes refer to them as "jew treats", is that bad
― Ømår Littel (Jordan), Thursday, 14 May 2009 21:58 (4 years ago) Permalink
I would make it clear tho that even if you can call someone Jewish or a Jew, I'd still stay away from calling them a kike.
― Mordy, Thursday, 14 May 2009 21:59 (4 years ago) Permalink
^^^lolz yeah not really a lot of grey area there
― High in Openness (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 14 May 2009 22:02 (4 years ago) Permalink
sheeny mo collier
― velko, Thursday, 14 May 2009 22:03 (4 years ago) Permalink
too bad cankles can't add to this discussion
― velko, Thursday, 14 May 2009 22:06 (4 years ago) Permalink
My gf's mom was telling us about her hairdresser's trip to Moscow or whatever, and I was like, "Oh, is she Russian?" and my gf's mom said "Yes" and then, apropos of nothing, blurted out "She's also Jewish" -- which made it seem like it's all she can think about when she's getting her hair done and she just had to tell someone.
― Bianca Jagger (jaymc), Thursday, 14 May 2009 22:07 (4 years ago) Permalink
heheh
― s1ocki, Thursday, 14 May 2009 22:08 (4 years ago) Permalink
it's the "that" but also calling someone "a" jew seems like it has a bit of a pejorative connotation, just because it makes the jewishness the sole defining quality
the "that" doesn't actually do this - "jew" does alone - but it provides an assist to the othering
― "the whale saw her" (gabbneb), Thursday, 14 May 2009 22:10 (4 years ago) Permalink
ya, that's why i said also - the that just emphasizes it.
― s1ocki, Thursday, 14 May 2009 22:13 (4 years ago) Permalink
I imagine some of this depends on tone/motivation. If you're a Jew, or a Jewophile, and you're like, "AND HE'S JEWISH," that might just mean that you love Jews and you love mentioning it. (My family does this all the time with celebrities. In fact, there are some celebrities that we can't mention in any context without also mentioning they're Jewish.)
― Mordy, Thursday, 14 May 2009 22:24 (4 years ago) Permalink
see also canadian
― s1ocki, Thursday, 14 May 2009 22:33 (4 years ago) Permalink
i mean, i think all jews do that, but canadians do too, and when it's a canadian jew, you better watch out.
― s1ocki, Thursday, 14 May 2009 22:34 (4 years ago) Permalink
SHATNER!
― High in Openness (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 14 May 2009 22:37 (4 years ago) Permalink
trifecta for me - montreal jew
― s1ocki, Thursday, 14 May 2009 22:39 (4 years ago) Permalink
Gay Canadian Jew David Rakoff had a funny bit about this on This American Life years ago:http://www.thislife.org/Radio_Episode.aspx?sched=793
― Bianca Jagger (jaymc), Thursday, 14 May 2009 22:41 (4 years ago) Permalink
all canadians know that episode
― s1ocki, Thursday, 14 May 2009 22:42 (4 years ago) Permalink
I would imagine.
― Bianca Jagger (jaymc), Thursday, 14 May 2009 22:43 (4 years ago) Permalink
weirdly enough, i am going to a book launch for a jewish montreal TAL contributor in an hour.
― s1ocki, Thursday, 14 May 2009 22:45 (4 years ago) Permalink
You can just say Jonathan Goldstein, it's OK.
― Bianca Jagger (jaymc), Thursday, 14 May 2009 23:05 (4 years ago) Permalink
jew.xls
― Nasty British and Short (hmmmm), Friday, 15 May 2009 00:28 (4 years ago) Permalink
Great article calling out N0rm4n P0dh0r3tz:
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/13/books/review/Wieseltier-t.html?_r=2&ref=books&pagewanted=all
― Mordy, Monday, 14 September 2009 05:36 (3 years ago) Permalink
Shana Tova to the tribe!
― quincie, Friday, 18 September 2009 21:06 (3 years ago) Permalink
haa great revive
― goole, Friday, 18 September 2009 21:10 (3 years ago) Permalink
my best friend just texted me this. Shana Tova. And the year we're living in.
― Nathalie (stevienixed), Friday, 18 September 2009 21:10 (3 years ago) Permalink
I am going to services tonight and tomorrow. I am like the best not-Jew ever.
― quincie, Friday, 18 September 2009 21:19 (3 years ago) Permalink
shana tova!
I ain't doin jackshit for Rosh Hashanah this year! well my wife might make some farfel and I will eat it but that's not really significant.
― Hat Trick Swayze (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 18 September 2009 21:21 (3 years ago) Permalink
Podhoretz seems to be living the Vilna Gaon’s adage — maybe he can find it in some encyclopedia — that the best way for a man to preserve his purity is never to leave his house.
damn dude!
― goole, Friday, 18 September 2009 21:27 (3 years ago) Permalink
Shana Tova, dudes!
― Mordy, Friday, 18 September 2009 21:40 (3 years ago) Permalink
quincie why aren't you Jewish
― holosystolic murmur and the thrill (gbx), Friday, 18 September 2009 22:35 (3 years ago) Permalink
tryin to find a shul in this town where you don't need season tickets
― collardio gelatinous, Saturday, 19 September 2009 03:05 (3 years ago) Permalink
apples + honey = A+
― bnw, Saturday, 19 September 2009 05:00 (3 years ago) Permalink
my jewish friend called me up and said: "did you understand my textmessage?" i replied i did. "I wish you a happy new year too! Isn't it fantastic that a goy knows it's new year?" she replied I was turning Jewish. "But of course, I sell JEWELLERY!"
― Nathalie (stevienixed), Sunday, 20 September 2009 21:14 (3 years ago) Permalink