sweet!
― how's life, Monday, 20 November 2017 19:10 (six years ago) link
Joygoat, buy without hesitation, you will not be disappointed. My 1977 Greco “Super Sounds” is a midrange model from the other major factory and it is one of the best made and nicest sounding guitars I’ve ever played (and I own several nice Fenders etc).
― attention vampire (MatthewK), Monday, 20 November 2017 19:25 (six years ago) link
These are also climbing in value as people realise how good they are. $350 is cheap for a Tokai.
― attention vampire (MatthewK), Monday, 20 November 2017 19:26 (six years ago) link
Unexpectedly...https://youtu.be/_vPK8LVdf5I― Elvis Telecom, Saturday, November 5, 2016 (one year ago)Yeah, Page gravitated toward the Strat towards the end there, which iirc is why Zeppelin had to break up.― Josh in Chicago, Saturday, November 5, 2016 (one year ago)
https://youtu.be/_vPK8LVdf5I
― Elvis Telecom, Saturday, November 5, 2016 (one year ago)
Yeah, Page gravitated toward the Strat towards the end there, which iirc is why Zeppelin had to break up.
― Josh in Chicago, Saturday, November 5, 2016 (one year ago)
I wouldn't go that far. He used a strat specifically for "In the Evening," specifically for the part of the riff you hear at 1:17. Trem required for that one.
― Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Monday, 20 November 2017 19:59 (six years ago) link
btw I prefer a Les Paul with low-output pups and a tele after that, but I've been messing around with the strat again. there really are some things only a strat can do.
― Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Monday, 20 November 2017 20:01 (six years ago) link
I got an American Standard Telecaster this year via a Facebook gear trade/sell group and frankly I can't imagine playing any other guitar now.
― Monster fatberg (Phil D.), Monday, 20 November 2017 20:05 (six years ago) link
Might not need to swap the pickups. Some that era of Tokai,Greco and Ibanez actually had DiMarzio pickups. They were an early customer.
― earlnash, Monday, 20 November 2017 20:24 (six years ago) link
i had a 70s burnt orange strat that was super sweet, but the bandleader encouraged me to trade it in because it wasn't vintage enough for him / the band. it's sort of visible here in the upper left next to david johansen. in subsequent years i learned to make my own decisions.
http://spectatorarchive.library.columbia.edu/cgi-bin/columbia?a=d&d=cs19790322-01.2.13&e=-------en-20--1--txt-txIN------
― Thus Sang Freud, Monday, 20 November 2017 20:53 (six years ago) link
https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7410/10162159956_8a819b170a_o.jpg
― attention vampire (MatthewK), Monday, 20 November 2017 21:36 (six years ago) link
That's pretty.
― you had better come correct (Ye Mad Puffin), Monday, 20 November 2017 21:50 (six years ago) link
TSF you look cool as hell in that pic btw
― Universal LULU Nation (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 20 November 2017 22:58 (six years ago) link
Yeah, if it sounds funky, I would maybe just upgrade the electronics and pots. There are these guys in Winchester KY called RS Guitarworks who are local to me that are wizards with guitar electronics and some of their kits really do make a difference. Don't have to use them, but sometimes playing with the capacitors and/or the pots can really change the sound as much as swapping pickups. If it is an older guitar, it is also an option to just get them re-wound so the pickups are original instead of putting in some new pickup.
― earlnash, Tuesday, 21 November 2017 00:35 (six years ago) link
haha, thx. (xpost) that was taken at cbgb, where i suppose i thought it was the greatest of ironies to wear my columbia shirt, though to be honest most of the people who hung out there were nyu students. i'm paying now for having had all that hair then. my alopecia leaves me without a stitch of it.
browsing through the spectator, i notice that suzanne vega was playing on campus the same night we were, 3/24/79. that was our last gig ever, and maybe one of her first?
http://spectatorarchive.library.columbia.edu/cgi-bin/columbia?a=d&d=cs19790323-01.2.12.2&srpos=2&e=-------en-20--1--txt-txIN-%22suzanne+vega%22+%22postcrypt%22------
― Thus Sang Freud, Tuesday, 21 November 2017 01:56 (six years ago) link
wow yeah I had no idea she was even playing the 70s.....
― Universal LULU Nation (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 21 November 2017 02:31 (six years ago) link
There are constantly MIM ones between $300 and $400 so I was waiting for something odd
I know it's fashionable in some circles to hate on MIMs. I've had two MIM Strats and a MIM Tele. I know they're not rare or cool or odd or sexy. But they are dependable and durable; their quality is pretty consistent over the last 15 years or so. They provide a very accurate and surgical sound that you can color or not, as you choose.
Also I have no fear of gigging with or lending out one of those instruments. If one were stolen or broken I wouldn't weep. I have older, quirkier, and rarer instruments but I generally do not gig with them.
(Not meant as a dis of joygoat or anybody; by all means, you should pursue the guitar of your dreams if that's what you're into.)
― you had better come correct (Ye Mad Puffin), Thursday, 23 November 2017 04:45 (six years ago) link
Strats are the chicken of guitars -- bland but versatile and there are ways of making it delicious.
― IF (Terrorist) Yes, Explain (man alive), Thursday, 23 November 2017 04:53 (six years ago) link
In my experience 70s Japanese Fender copies typically crush MIM Fenders in terms of feel, playability and craftsmanship. I've owned about half a dozen dating from 1973-1978. All fantastic.
― attention vampire (MatthewK), Thursday, 23 November 2017 04:55 (six years ago) link
I’ve got no issue with MIM fenders - I’ve got a Mexican Tele which is probably my “best” guitar as the others are an Indonesian jazzmaster and Chinese epiphones dot. They’re just such a commodity - there are 20 actual fender strats between $250 and $400 on Craigslist within an hour of me right now and I was in no rush so kept waiting for some insane deal or something unusual.I did buy the Tokai and it’s pretty nice - all original, mid line model so not the DiMarzios but the Tokai “greybacks”, was refretted recently and looks better than a lot of new guitars I’ve seen plus I imagine these are bigger than the originals would have been. Neck is super thin and has a 7.25 radius so it feels crazy small to me. Plus it makes all these sounds that I totally recognize from all over but never made myself before. My dream was a white one with a rosewood fingerboard and a 70s headstock which I wasn’t ever going to find for less than $500 so this thing is awesome. And it’s $115 cheaper than the cheapest Silver Star on Reverb right now, not counting $110 to ship it from Japan.
― joygoat, Thursday, 23 November 2017 14:29 (six years ago) link
I've mentioned before that my session playing pals noted in Nashville a real uptick of MIM Teles as most favored guitar.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 23 November 2017 15:29 (six years ago) link
Plus it makes all these sounds that I totally recognize from all over but never made myself before.
― It happens sometimes. People just explode. Natural causes. (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 23 November 2017 17:33 (six years ago) link
As long as we are also including S-500 vs ASAT I am comfortable participating in this discussion.
― jjjusten, Friday, 24 November 2017 02:56 (six years ago) link
Telecaster >>> Stratocaster because the strat volume knob is in exactly the right spot for me to hit it constantly and unintentionally while playing.
― joygoat, Tuesday, 14 July 2020 12:34 (three years ago) link
hah, my peeve is accidentally knocking the pickup selector out of position.
some people like the Stratocaster volume knob placement because it's close enough to manipulate for e.g. pinky volume swells.
I think I'd like a Telecaster with more Strat-style body carves for greater comfort, but at the same time I really like my Thinline Telecaster.
If I could afford a custom Stratocaster it would have one pickup (neck) and one knob, but I know I am out of step with the rest of the universe on this. Most one-pickup guitars have bridge only. Even on the Telecaster I only ever use the neck pickup.
tl;dr: love them both, annoyed by some features of both, can't choose and am glad I don't have to
― Blursday the Vagueteenth of Whenember (Ye Mad Puffin), Tuesday, 14 July 2020 13:25 (three years ago) link
I get the volume swell thing and know some people flip the Tele controls to get something similar but man it just messes me up
― joygoat, Tuesday, 14 July 2020 13:52 (three years ago) link
YMP why not git yo self a 70s Musicmaster - not too pricey, neck-only heaven. The late 70s ones have super meaty necks and of course they’re 24” scale.
― assert (MatthewK), Tuesday, 14 July 2020 13:55 (three years ago) link
Yeah I love where everything is laid out on a Strat
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 14 July 2020 14:21 (three years ago) link
i just took off the knobs on my strat, can still adjust with the pegs
― global tetrahedron, Tuesday, 14 July 2020 14:54 (three years ago) link
Matthewk, on my list! Hohner Jazzica too.
― Blursday the Vagueteenth of Whenember (Ye Mad Puffin), Tuesday, 14 July 2020 14:59 (three years ago) link
um, Hofner
― Blursday the Vagueteenth of Whenember (Ye Mad Puffin), Tuesday, 14 July 2020 15:00 (three years ago) link
I think I'd like a Telecaster with more Strat-style body carves for greater comfort
fender are doing those offset teles again atm:
https://shop.fender.com/en-GB/squier-electric-guitars/other/paranormal-offset-telecaster/0377005521.html
― Boris the Spreader (NickB), Tuesday, 14 July 2020 15:08 (three years ago) link
i had one of those squier duo-sonic reissues for a hot minute a while back. was a seriously great guitar and i loved playing it.
don't have it anymore. still have my tele tho.
and you know why that is?
because teles rule. (source: this poll)
― Totally different head. Totally. (Austin), Tuesday, 14 July 2020 17:17 (three years ago) link
They do. I had a perfectly dece MIM Tele some years ago, and sold it for some inexplicable reason.
My only current Tele is a Squier (classic vibe Thinline) and it is loads of fun! Light, fast, a little goofy. Very flat radius.
― Blursday the Vagueteenth of Whenember (Ye Mad Puffin), Tuesday, 14 July 2020 17:50 (three years ago) link
I used to prefer my Tele (MIM, upgraded pups etc) but now kind of prefer my MIM Strat, which is also upgraded with great pickups but is lighter, too, and super comfortable. And in the end, even more versatile. Tremelo bar, more pickup positions, etc
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 14 July 2020 18:14 (three years ago) link
I grew up a Strat kid, they are still amazing and I wouldn't ever not own one.
But I got an American Tele a couple of years ago for an absolute steal and I generally prefer it over the Strat. I still like the comfort and look of the Strat, but I've been playing my Tele a lot more since I got it.
― Ira Einhorn (dandydonweiner), Tuesday, 14 July 2020 20:18 (three years ago) link
As a music fan. I actually *like* that the Telecaster's lack of versatility seems to have pushed to carve a role electric guitar in an ensemble, arrangement or mix that's specific to the instrument they're playing. It's not a saxophone, it's not an autoharp, it's the punctuation mark at the end of a sentence. I mean, sure, the twang- but the Trve Tele players know how to get a good "zap!" out of it as well. More of that, please, and if you wanna wail get yourself a damn sax #uncoolconservativebeliefs
― Deflatormouse, Wednesday, 15 July 2020 05:33 (three years ago) link
* for the electric guitar Heh
― Deflatormouse, Wednesday, 15 July 2020 05:34 (three years ago) link
Every time I read an online discussion of necks and somebody talks about things getting in the way of their "bends", my eyes roll so hard they fret out on the narrow radius.This is why I like the Telecaster: it's a block of wood with a robust bridge and a precisely fretted neck, two pickups at good locations on the strings, and nothing else. Suitable for chords, riffs, and pickin if you're so inclined.
― assert (MatthewK), Wednesday, 15 July 2020 05:41 (three years ago) link
Also tbf these days there are a reasonable variety of necks to choose from on a Tele so I don't know quite why people get hung up on that.
― Ira Einhorn (dandydonweiner), Wednesday, 15 July 2020 12:53 (three years ago) link
honestly the way people run their guitars through elaborate pedalboards now it's probably best to just buy on the basis of what's most comfortablelike you can really discern the difference between guitars after putting it through 10 boutique pedals and the ampor ppl who insist they can tell the difference between this electric guitar "tonewoods" lol
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 15 July 2020 14:32 (three years ago) link
lol I watched Joe Satriani's rig rundown video once, and if I recall correctly he had a pedal that could simulate different lengths of cord, as if anybody could possibly know the difference. Though I suppose if anybody could it would probably be somebody like him.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 15 July 2020 14:34 (three years ago) link
ok that's amazing
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 15 July 2020 14:41 (three years ago) link
ums is otm about sound - you can do quite a lot to the sound with your feet, so people are sometimes overly precious about completely marginal aspects of their TOANZ.
To get a little philosophical on y'all, I sometimes get weary of having lots of tonal options. I pretty much know by now what I sound like.
We've all been marketed to death about equipment that heralds versatility as its selling point. Personally, of the approximately 372 sounds that could potentially emanate from my amplifier, I use like... five of them. Clean, dirty, weird, clean+weird, dirty+weird.
I sometimes wish more manufacturers would herald stuff that does one thing well. The Tele comes very close.
(Having said that, I love my Strat as well - it's a very elegant and beautiful object, feels very sensual and comfortrable, and it is as focused and precise as a laser beam. But I do sometimes have a sad about the five-position switch of which I only use one position, and about the tremelo that I rarely use. For a while I had it blocked, but then felt bad that I wasn't using a feature that is a main feature of the instrument, so I took the block out - and still rarely use it. It is a quandary.)
― Blursday the Vagueteenth of Whenember (Ye Mad Puffin), Wednesday, 15 July 2020 14:56 (three years ago) link
Make and model of guitar can definitely make a difference depending on the music you're making, though; you would likely not use, say, an SG for country licks. For that matter, I have an SG, and its output is so loud I barely pick it up, though at the same time Bill Frisell used an SG for his stuff for a while, so clearly in the right hands it is capable of a lot more sensitivity. Or think of the Rickenbacker. The Rick is immediately associated with jangle, a la Byrds, REM, Tom Petty, etc. But it was also often the guitar of choice for John Fogerty in CCR, for Guy in Fugazi, for Paul Weller in the Jam, and so on. And some of the best tones are all done in-amp anyway. Like Neil Young's overdriven tone, that's mostly just him cranking his amp to various degrees. Same with someone like Jimmy Page, who didn't even have many pedals at his disposal save a fuzz, wah and Echoplex, which is I assume all Hendrix really had, too.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 15 July 2020 15:21 (three years ago) link
Hendrix famously used the Octavia fuzz/octave pedal
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 15 July 2020 15:26 (three years ago) link
Here's a clip of Wilco with really trad sounding country licks on an SG
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C5QCeSS03RE'
Huh, that's not a bad country sound for an SG!
When did a lot of the most common effects pedals become available? Early to mid 70s? I know late '60s had the wah, fuzz, phaser/univibe ...
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 15 July 2020 15:37 (three years ago) link
jimi had a univibe too on stuff like little wing
― Boris the Spreader (NickB), Wednesday, 15 July 2020 15:39 (three years ago) link
a lot of the certain guitars = certain styles stuff comes down to influence and visual aesthetics rather than sound
― na (NA), Wednesday, 15 July 2020 15:39 (three years ago) link
Sure, but to my mind the main question is whether it's humbuckers or, like, a P-90 in the SG. I can't tell from that Wilco clip.
Country lead parts require twang by tradition, but it's not just twang, is it? Generally there's already a lot of midrange in the mix of a country arrangement, so a single-coil sound is most appropriate because it will cut more surgically, and introduce less extra midrange / bass / overtones.
For a while I had an Epi LP and an Epi 339 with coil-splitting. Even with the split switch on, the tone still sounded way too thick to me, lacking in bite. So I gravitated back to Fenders and will never go back.
― Blursday the Vagueteenth of Whenember (Ye Mad Puffin), Wednesday, 15 July 2020 15:42 (three years ago) link
looks like an sg junior with one p-90 in the bridge
― call all destroyer, Wednesday, 15 July 2020 15:53 (three years ago) link