Star Trek: Classic or Dud?

ha they used archive audio?

Archival film footage.

I'm reading the 50th Anniversary oral history, and with so many different people trashing his writing, he comes off as pitiable. (Also, he was almost definitely a sexual predator.)

roddenberry?

Yes.

watch "pretty maids all in a row" and the sexual predator question will get confusing

Maybe predator is the wrong word -- he definitely created a hostile work environment for at least one woman who worked on TOS.

grace lee whitney, who played janice rand, has said that she was sexually assaulted by somebody who worked on the show and she hinted pretty strongly that it was him

& terry farrell quit ds9 because rick berman was sexually harassing her

The oral history (quoted here):

Ande Richardson (assistant to producer Gene L. Coon, who has yet to be hired as of the production of "Mudd's Women," but about whom we will certainly talk frequently later on): "There were certain people who had my respect, and Gene Roddenberry didn't really get in that group. I mean, he came to my wedding and I went to his and Majel's wedding party after they'd gotten married in Japan." "But Gene Roddenberry was a sexist, manipulative person who disregarded women. I didn't value and respect him. He was funny in his own way, but he was paper-thin. He wasn't substantial." "Sure, he may have been the Great Bird, but he wasn't a great person. He would have women walking from Bill Theiss's fitting rooms through to his office in the skimpiest outfit so he could perv them. He was really such a sexist. I remember him telling me something and I thought, 'Why is he telling me this?' Just personal kind of stuff I couldn't really care to know about him. Disregarding people's private space. I remember seeing him with Nichelle in his office, which is when I realized, 'Oh, he's been banging Nichelle.' But he moved Majel into an apartment just down the street so he could go for nooners. I don't know why he had to be lecherous, looking after every woman. He came back from Japan with Majel and he said to me, 'You know, Ande, you can go from the front to the back but you can't go from the back to the front. Majel's got a heck of an infection.' Again, why are you telling me this? But that was him: freaky-deaky dude."

On a different topic, Shatner.

old school liberalism didn't have time to include everybody, guys

I hope you're saying that with irony -- this sort of behavior needs to be acknowledged and then called out, even after the decades after which it took place.

ha, yeah i'm being sarcastic

"Nooners"

Ande Richardson was an interesting figure in that book

Also, 2/3rds of the women quit TNG after the first season

(Which, yeah, we’ve mentioned multiple times upthread no doubt)

Rick Berman comes off as a misogynist, unsurprisingly given the fact that he drove off Terry Farrell. With the way he trashes her, he seems to have taken Genevieve Bujold's very existence personally. And the way he discusses how Seven was initially developed as a character is gross (Brannon Braga too).

"The Offspring" is so good!

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-QL5rX13MLEs/UFRKIb0hcgI/AAAAAAAAC7M/okPcwzTPxyQ/s280/deal-with-it-riker.jpg

Wait, when did jpegs start supporting multiple frames

welcome to the future

it's a mislabeled gif

Did we mention anywhere yet that Tarantino intends to make a Trek movie with the screenwriter from The Revenant

http://www.vulture.com/2017/12/the-revenant-screenwriter-to-write-star-trek-for-tarantino.html

mother of Fortuna and Saint Death! Please finally send an piss icicle of death to that waster, for the good of humanity!

a an

"Say there are 4 lights again!"

https://78.media.tumblr.com/375fd3781d059f8cfddbb85553844a4e/tumblr_p2ghcmMqOr1tp80nvo1_500.jpg

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DVD5kI4XkAE9w0W.jpg

Dr Crusher is only on that axis b/c of the ghost candle episode, isn’t she.

having one's own personal collapsing universe is also pretty goth

i would swap Data and Wesley. Data has that pale skin and always seemed drawn to the more artsy/emotive side of human behavior. Wesley went into academy prep school before turning into space jesus. plus in the first episode of TNG he keeps turning up on the bridge to show off his skills, clearly jock behavior.

no idea why Guinan is far goth. she's one of the most level-headed people in the ship, a personal longtime friend of the captain, and totally fine with serving drinks and mingling w all the crazy people that show up on ship.

It's the hat.

Also Guinan's Victorian outfit in 'Time's Arrow'.
http://www.startrek.com/legacy_media/images/200303/tng-226-guinan-and-data-realiz/320x240.jpg

heh i guess your right. plus i guess she is an immortal with cosmic wisdom, she personally must know thousands of people over the hundreds of years she has lived. outside of Data there aren't too many with that kind of life. i can see a kind of gothic romance in that.

barclay is pure nerd, no?

(this is only based on his VOY appearances, haven't watched TNG yet)

Is it Goth to act like a big swinging dick around fantasy versions of your crewmates?

Or more probably that he turned into a frightening spider-creature once.

goth crusher family
https://i.imgur.com/Q79bc0X.png

it's a tough plotting for wesley and reg -- deepest nerds, but too lame to fit in with the preps or the goths

wes *did* make out with ashley judd tho, even if it stressed the dimensions of the prime universe

Wesley has an episode about that sort of, when he is pressured to go along with his friends and lie or do the right thing and get everyone in trouble. it plays into his need to appease his authority/father figure in Picard. all this is total nerd stuff.

Beverly Crusher on the other hand has that last season show where she has a love affair with the ghost of her grandmother's lover, who lives in a candle. she is in love with a space candle ghost. *SPOILERS* she ends up shooting her possessed grandmother with a phaser. she goth af.

'Time Squared' is Prep Present Picard vs Goth Future Picard.

the Bev Crusher ghost-sex episode is all time. all time, what, i'm not sure, but it's all time something.

lol yes it must be seen to be believed. love when Data & Geordi open her grandma's grave and she rises up and attacks them.

dr crusher grabbed by the ghoulies and space scots is a heady mix alright

https://www.reddit.com/r/DaystromInstitute/wiki/previousdiscussions

Oh man: https://pagesix.com/2018/06/11/star-trek-actor-jon-paul-steuer-died-of-suicide/

(He was Alexander Rozhenko.)

sad

!

https://io9.gizmodo.com/report-a-next-generation-sequel-could-be-included-in-a-1826956945

Variety reports that Kurtzman has inked a $25 million deal with CBS as part of a five-year plan to bring more Trek shows to TV in the wake of Discovery’s success. According to the site, five series are currently in early development:

A teen-oriented series set at Starfleet Academy from Stephanie Savage and Josh Schwartz, the duo behind the recent Dynsasty reboot and Marvel’s Runaways adaptation
A limited series with a currently confidential plot
A limited series based around the beloved character Khan, from the original Star Trek and the classic film The Wrath of Khan—something that’s been rumored for a while as being spearheaded by Wrath of Khan director Nicholas Meyer
An animated series with another currently confidential plot

However, The Hollywood Reporter might have details on at least one of those mysterious limited series. The trade reports that one show in Kurtzman’s new deal could bring back one of Trek’s most beloved characters: Sir Patrick Stewart’s Captain Jean-Luc Picard.

According to THR, both Kurtzman and producer Akiva Goldsman (who departed Discovery after its first season) are attached to the series, which would be lead by Stewart reprising his role as Picard.

I'm a little skeptical about another iteration of rehashing, but also a little happy that it's not ~another~ TOS rehash, and one that involves Picard (yay!).

they should bring picard back to do 30 minute flute lessons filmed like an instructional video

Paramount can have that one for free