Sea Devils And Die: GeroniMoffat's Doctor Who In The 2010s

sooooo many people said we were wrong, no way, they won't cast a woman, too soon etc

― blink truther (Autumn Almanac), Monday, July 17, 2017 8:24 AM (two hours ago)

Weren't there predictions of a female Doctor prior to Capaldi's casting, as well?

― Dippin' Sauce on my Nice New Slacks (Old Lunch), Monday, July 17, 2017 8:27 AM (two hours ago)

probably, can't remember back that far tbh! sic will know

― blink truther (Autumn Almanac), Monday, July 17, 2017 8:33 AM (two hours ago)

I didn’t see any “no way too soon” stuff this year, only back before Smith and especially Capaldi

Predictions and "Oh well you never know" from highly-placed sources have been a fixture since JNT, I understand.

― Andrew Farrell, Monday, July 17, 2017 8:40 AM (two hours ago)

Remember, JNT went on and on to the press in 1981 and 1984 about how “the new Doctor could be anyone – even a woman!”

― Doubtless they are toss. (sic), Friday, July 7, 2017 1:17 PM (one week ago)

Part of me is all "this means they could do some really interesting science-fictional spins on identity and gender and (grand)parenthood", and part of me is "maybe not of Gatiss is still writing scripts".

― Mince Pramthwart (James Morrison), Monday, July 17, 2017 9:15 AM (one hour ago)

Chibnall is by all accounts going to be head-writing the entire season with the help of a Broadchurch-graduate US-style writer’s room.

― Doubtless they are toss. (sic), Friday, July 7, 2017 1:17 PM (one week ago)

and Gatiss is one of two writers from this series who have explicitly said they haven’t been asked back due to Chibnall’s all-new team-writing squad.

lol @ L3v1n3 losing his rag btw, hope a newspaper has sent a photographer around again

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/imageserver/image/methode%2Ftimes%2Fprodmigration%2Fweb%2Fbin%2Fb5ef3067-457b-321d-81a1-f67e98ed0c16.jpg

I didn’t see any “no way too soon” stuff this year

two weeks ago i had lunch with some massive dorks who were "nope, no way, won't happen, don't be ridiculous". i mentioned missy and the doctor-bill conversation about time lord gender swapping and they were "sure but it won't happen, you are being ridiculous, stop being ridiculous"

obv I wasn’t saying that no crybaby idiots weren’t saying it, just that it definitely happened back then - and less so now IME, which is nice

yep understood.

this will be incredible for young girls who feel they can be the hero for once. i just hope chibnall doesn't fuck it up ghostbusters-2016-style and leave dickheads saying "see?????? told you a female doctor would be stupid" when it was never about the casting choice in the first place.

What are all these people going to do if their country ever gets ruled by a lady-king or king-woman (or whatever the name will be if such an abomination ever happens)?

God save us all from such a fate.

Lol

seeing a lot of honestly fucked-up "i'm not sexist but wahhhhh" type comments all over the place. it's not "politically correct" or "sjw", they've simply cast someone who will apparently be really fucking good in the role. i mean it's science fiction, it's a fucking alien that regenerates at cellular level, this is fine. if these god damned sooks really need their maaaaaaan doctor, there are 839 episodes for them to enjoy.

Wonder if the character will get to be black at some point. Do remember that being talked about possibly before Smith.
Also wonder how much longer the character will be around. Is it going to be as long as there's a related medium. Or more finite. So there are still countless alternatives of personal quirks possible.

I watched the Black Mirror yesterday mainly not being familiar with Whittaker. Can't see from that what she'd apply to the role so wish the new series was more imminent.
Is it autumn or spring next year?

and Gatiss is one of two writers from this series who have explicitly said they haven’t been asked back due to Chibnall’s all-new team-writing squad

Oh thank fuck for that.

That's phrased like Gatiss is likely to end up at PSG or something

or Shanghai Shenua

Moffatt wasn't aware that the next doctor was a woman was he?
JUst wondering to what extent what are now seen as foreshadowing that were coincidences.
I've heard here that him and Chibnall are friends but did he find out earlier than anybody else did, at least exactly who the actress was going to be.
Could see it coming up in what if conversations, but anything more concrete?

First I saw of Whittaker was as the cynical young docu-maker in the THIS LIFE reunion.

THere's at least one petition around trying to get the BBC to return to the actor portraying the Doctor being male.
What a lovely forward thinking world this is.
I was surprised taht the Daily Mail were expressing an opinion a couple fo days back. Thought it was all lefty immigrant nonsdense to them anyway. Thought the idea of an elite known as Time Lords might have some appeal?

But God, do wonder what tehy think they're going to achieve by such a petition.

Would teh same thing have happened if the Doctor's skin colour changed too?

Most of this shit is insincere trolling rather than motivated by genuine belief. The Mail are actually framing it as evidence of a backlash against male heroes on TV such is their world beating worst take/best possible wind-up algorithm.

i don't personally know any man-babies, so the scattered complaining i've seen has been a little more subdued. who fandom has a long history of outraged parochialism whenever anything new happens - there's a hilarious "WORST. EPISODE. EVER." review by jean-marc lofficier of "the deadly assassin" from when it came out. one of my friends is all "why does doctor who _have_ to be a woman?", which as far as i'm concerned is totally sexist, because it assumes, against compelling evidence to the contrary, that whittaker was cast solely because of her gender, but fuck me if i'm going to argue the point with my friend too strongly. i'm not the Feminist Police.

one of my other friends posted "imagine if they'd cast a female LGBTQ person of color in the role!", and i'm thinking well OK I guess there's no reason you _can't_ have both lead characters be queer black women...

one of my friends is all "why does doctor who _have_ to be a woman?", which as far as i'm concerned is totally sexist, because it assumes, against compelling evidence to the contrary, that whittaker was cast solely because of her gender

fucking otm. sometimes casting decisions are made on the basis of how good someone is, not whether they're going to ~ruffle feathers~. the bbc is hardly going to cheap-trick its number one sci-fi property out of existence.

in a way i'm sort of glad this manbaby shit is playing out so early, because once it's out of their systems they'll reduce to a dull roar while the rest of us evaluate the show on things that matter, e.g. whether it's good. i know i won't give two shits about any of this by the time the christmas special rolls in.

and if ian levine wants a bag of dicks he can have one.

The first episode will be set on a misandrist utopian planet where all the men have been killed.

"xir, all our cycles are in sync! what will we do?"

"all the men are dead, you don't need to do anything!"

<much rejoicing and hoovering>

-- END SERIES --

i just… it's not the 1950s any more, obviously a woman can do normal doctor who normally, missy fucking managed it all right

(i know we all agree, just venting)

I just found out there's something I hate more than Doctor Who, and it's Doctor Who misogynists

Life's funny like that: If something's annoying you, there's always something that can annoy you more.

'Doctor' has no gender in English.

— Merriam-Webster (@MerriamWebster) July 17, 2017

*arrives out of breath* IT'S... *gasps; tries to catch breath* IT'S TERRANCE DICKS, NOT TERRANCE VAGINAS! *collapses,having owned internet*

— Nick. (@nick_octopus) July 17, 2017

hahahaha

is now a good time to talk about "the prison in space"?

"Prison in Space began as an unproduced serial intended to be part of Season 6 by Dick Sharples. It would have featured a female-dominated planet, previously used in another unproduced serial The Hidden Planet. It would have featured Zoe Heriot starting a sexual revolution, before being brainwashed and then deprogrammed by the Second Doctor, who smacks her on the bottom. It would also have featured Jamie McCrimmon in drag. The story was rewritten when Frazer Hines decided to leave and then again when he decided to stay. Executives were unhappy with it, but Sharples refused to rewrite and it was replaced by TV: The Krotons."

ffs

The Sun and Mail Online have been accused of being “reductive and irresponsible” after publishing nude photographs of Jodie Whittaker in articles covering the announcement that she is the new star of Doctor Who.

Reporting the BBC’s announcement on Sunday that Whittaker would be the first female Doctor, both publications ran articles about Whittaker appearing naked or topless in previous acting work, illustrating the stories with stills.

Equal Representation for Actresses (ERA), a campaign group, said it was surprised and disappointed by the publications’ coverage of Whittaker.

ERA said: “We are delighted by the casting of Jodie Whittaker as the 13th Doctor. However, we are surprised and disappointed by the Daily Mail [Mail Online is owned by the Daily Mail and General Trust] and the Sun’s reductive and irresponsible decision to run a story featuring pictures of Jodie in various nude scenes.”

The Sun published the photographs under the headline “Dalektable” – a reference to the Daleks, an enemy of the Doctor. The article covered pages four and five of the newspaper and described Whittaker’s “saucy screen past”. Mail Online’s article was headlined “Doctor Nude!” and also featured naked and topless photos of previous male Doctors, including Christopher Eccleston, David Tennant and Matt Smith.

Mail Online’s article was headlined “Doctor Nude!” and also featured naked and topless photos of previous male Doctors, including Christopher Eccleston, David Tennant and Matt Smith.

I can't load Mail Online without crashing my browser, but I hope they included this picture:

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/ed/bc/aa/edbcaa91bc683140a331486e2d087a4f--colin-odonoghue-boyfriend.jpg

sorry, that's

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/ed/bc/aa/edbcaa91bc683140a331486e2d087a4f--colin-odonoghue-boyfriend.jpg

I can't load Mail Online without crashing my browser

feature imo

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/07/21/former-doctor-peter-davison-says-female-choice-role-means-loss/

former Doctor Who actor has hit out at the BBC’s decision to cast Jodie Whittaker in the role, saying that the decision meant there is “a loss of a role model for boys”

though the actual direct quotes seem a bit more measured than "hit out" might suggest, so possibly the Telegraph is distorting things a little in the pursuit of clicks.

Davison being massacred on twitter rn, he's even being zinged by Ed Miliband, the indignity

In which Dr Who travels back in time to meet the views of the 1950s. Jodie Whittaker is a great model for my two boys thanks. https://t.co/TOCXP92JoU

— Ed Miliband (@Ed_Miliband) July 21, 2017

:(

dammit Peter

you had to figure that w/ however many of those dudes that are kicking around, one was bound to be a bit of a prick about it

Did it have to be the one who played my favorite Doctor, though?

PD has form for saying this sort of thing, which is especially weird given his family connections. But he's a 74 year old man! Of course he's a bit of a prick. Being zinged by real-life Innocent Smoothie label Ed Miliband should be punishment enough, let's forget it.

he's only 66!

Ha yeah it's Colin Baker who's 74. Fine! He's more of a prick then.

If you're an old prick, you're still a prick. It may not be surprising, but it's still disappointing.

Ha yeah it's Colin Baker who's 74. Fine! He's more of a prick then.

but he supports whittaker's appointment, so that doesn't work either. pricks are just pricks.

Trailer for the Christmas special is out because every sf/f thing is getting a trailer this Comic-con weekend.

I am against this ageist prick-judice from two days ago

ahhh, the colin baker/peter davison feud is one of my favorite things of 2017. here's colin throwing shade on his predecessor for being "eye candy" at sdcc:

http://www.digitalspy.com/tv/doctor-who/news/a833641/colin-baker-doctor-who-fans-not-kind-peter-capaldi/

colin's comments are even funnier if you hit the page up button.

xmas trailer

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YCkDXegqjR0

glad that bill is back. I'm going to assume she sticks around now

Nope