Sea Devils And Die: GeroniMoffat's Doctor Who In The 2010s

Predictions and "Oh well you never know" from highly-placed sources have been a fixture since JNT, I understand.

i can't recall jodie whittaker's name coming up anywhere, so good job bbc if they really did keep a lid on this the whole time. hoping all the outraged ~mmmmmeeeeeennnnnn~ can stop crying long enough to think about the capable actor and potentially incredible doctor we're looking at here.

from three months ago

In a letter to a ‘concerned’ fan — picked up by The Sun — a BBC complaints officer ‘assured’ there are “currently no plans” for a female Timelord.

“We appreciate that you’re a big Doctor Who fan and you have concerns that the programme would change should there be a female doctor,” wrote Joanne Coyne.

"Be assured there are currently no plans to have a female Doctor Who.”

​Coyne reportedly added that the worries — which included how children would be confused if the role swapped genders — would be passed onto the programme’s makers, “including the Doctor Who team”.

Can't believe nobody's making "Time Lorde" jokes yet? As far as I can tell

Hie thee to Twitter, Tombo, and bear the new hashtag in yer name.

sorry tombot

fuck it

https://www.google.com.au/search?q=jodie+whittaker+";time+lorde"&oq=jodie+whittaker+"time+lorde"

look you just have to believe me, a google search for "jodie whittaker" "time lorde" yields results is what i'm trying to say

ten pounds says the outrage movement who can't handle female doctors will call her "nurse who"

Haha I literally lasted less than ten minutes, opened safari without realising I'd left the BBC news site open and without me even refreshing it popped up a BREAKING NEWS JODIE WHITTAKER.

But hey if I didn't know then I'd be missing out on all these broflake lols.

Whittaker was really good in Marchlands. Am excited for this development--already suggests Chibnall might be more interesting than I had expected.

Part of me is all "this means they could do some really interesting science-fictional spins on identity and gender and (grand)parenthood", and part of me is "maybe not of Gatiss is still writing scripts".

We should petition to have Mycroft get his own spinoff series.

Part of me is all "this means they could do some really interesting science-fictional spins on identity and gender and (grand)parenthood"

god i hope they don't get bogged down in "she's a woman! we can do all these women things" type scripts. being a man never gave the doctor man-type things to do (pending sic fact check)

btw i really really really hope an old doctor actor doesn't publicly moan about this

if, say, tom baker speaks to the press and goes "you never had a female robin hood!! this is beyond the pale", a whole seven years of this show will suddenly have a giant MRA shadow cast over it

colin's happy

Change my dears and not a moment too soon - she IS the Doctor whether you like it or not!

— Colin Baker (@SawbonesHex) July 16, 2017

fantastic! and what a marvellous quote

"she's a woman! we can do all these women things" type scripts

this is definitely NOT what I want or mean

xp And his followup:

And to those making 'parking the Tardis' jokes - name me one make Doctor that was unfailingly good at that! 🙄

— Colin Baker (@SawbonesHex) July 16, 2017

xp sorry james

i was only posting off the back of your post, not trying to put words in your mouth

btw i really really really hope an old doctor actor doesn't publicly moan about this

the ghost of William Hartnell will manifest to make clear his displeasure

haha that was my first thought too

I still wanted an entire season of Joanna Lumley.

One of Australia's most unpleasant, racist, greedy, shitbag, posturing pseudoChristian politicians is a big Doctor Who fan, having somehow missed every message the show has sent for decades; can't wait to see him lose his shit over this

sooooo many people said we were wrong, no way, they won't cast a woman, too soon etc

― blink truther (Autumn Almanac), Monday, July 17, 2017 8:24 AM (two hours ago)

Weren't there predictions of a female Doctor prior to Capaldi's casting, as well?

― Dippin' Sauce on my Nice New Slacks (Old Lunch), Monday, July 17, 2017 8:27 AM (two hours ago)

probably, can't remember back that far tbh! sic will know

― blink truther (Autumn Almanac), Monday, July 17, 2017 8:33 AM (two hours ago)

I didn’t see any “no way too soon” stuff this year, only back before Smith and especially Capaldi

Predictions and "Oh well you never know" from highly-placed sources have been a fixture since JNT, I understand.

― Andrew Farrell, Monday, July 17, 2017 8:40 AM (two hours ago)

Remember, JNT went on and on to the press in 1981 and 1984 about how “the new Doctor could be anyone – even a woman!”

― Doubtless they are toss. (sic), Friday, July 7, 2017 1:17 PM (one week ago)

Part of me is all "this means they could do some really interesting science-fictional spins on identity and gender and (grand)parenthood", and part of me is "maybe not of Gatiss is still writing scripts".

― Mince Pramthwart (James Morrison), Monday, July 17, 2017 9:15 AM (one hour ago)

Chibnall is by all accounts going to be head-writing the entire season with the help of a Broadchurch-graduate US-style writer’s room.

― Doubtless they are toss. (sic), Friday, July 7, 2017 1:17 PM (one week ago)

and Gatiss is one of two writers from this series who have explicitly said they haven’t been asked back due to Chibnall’s all-new team-writing squad.

lol @ L3v1n3 losing his rag btw, hope a newspaper has sent a photographer around again

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/imageserver/image/methode%2Ftimes%2Fprodmigration%2Fweb%2Fbin%2Fb5ef3067-457b-321d-81a1-f67e98ed0c16.jpg

I didn’t see any “no way too soon” stuff this year

two weeks ago i had lunch with some massive dorks who were "nope, no way, won't happen, don't be ridiculous". i mentioned missy and the doctor-bill conversation about time lord gender swapping and they were "sure but it won't happen, you are being ridiculous, stop being ridiculous"

obv I wasn’t saying that no crybaby idiots weren’t saying it, just that it definitely happened back then - and less so now IME, which is nice

yep understood.

this will be incredible for young girls who feel they can be the hero for once. i just hope chibnall doesn't fuck it up ghostbusters-2016-style and leave dickheads saying "see?????? told you a female doctor would be stupid" when it was never about the casting choice in the first place.

What are all these people going to do if their country ever gets ruled by a lady-king or king-woman (or whatever the name will be if such an abomination ever happens)?

God save us all from such a fate.

Lol

seeing a lot of honestly fucked-up "i'm not sexist but wahhhhh" type comments all over the place. it's not "politically correct" or "sjw", they've simply cast someone who will apparently be really fucking good in the role. i mean it's science fiction, it's a fucking alien that regenerates at cellular level, this is fine. if these god damned sooks really need their maaaaaaan doctor, there are 839 episodes for them to enjoy.

Wonder if the character will get to be black at some point. Do remember that being talked about possibly before Smith.
Also wonder how much longer the character will be around. Is it going to be as long as there's a related medium. Or more finite. So there are still countless alternatives of personal quirks possible.

I watched the Black Mirror yesterday mainly not being familiar with Whittaker. Can't see from that what she'd apply to the role so wish the new series was more imminent.
Is it autumn or spring next year?

and Gatiss is one of two writers from this series who have explicitly said they haven’t been asked back due to Chibnall’s all-new team-writing squad

Oh thank fuck for that.

That's phrased like Gatiss is likely to end up at PSG or something

or Shanghai Shenua

Moffatt wasn't aware that the next doctor was a woman was he?
JUst wondering to what extent what are now seen as foreshadowing that were coincidences.
I've heard here that him and Chibnall are friends but did he find out earlier than anybody else did, at least exactly who the actress was going to be.
Could see it coming up in what if conversations, but anything more concrete?

First I saw of Whittaker was as the cynical young docu-maker in the THIS LIFE reunion.

THere's at least one petition around trying to get the BBC to return to the actor portraying the Doctor being male.
What a lovely forward thinking world this is.
I was surprised taht the Daily Mail were expressing an opinion a couple fo days back. Thought it was all lefty immigrant nonsdense to them anyway. Thought the idea of an elite known as Time Lords might have some appeal?

But God, do wonder what tehy think they're going to achieve by such a petition.

Would teh same thing have happened if the Doctor's skin colour changed too?

Most of this shit is insincere trolling rather than motivated by genuine belief. The Mail are actually framing it as evidence of a backlash against male heroes on TV such is their world beating worst take/best possible wind-up algorithm.

i don't personally know any man-babies, so the scattered complaining i've seen has been a little more subdued. who fandom has a long history of outraged parochialism whenever anything new happens - there's a hilarious "WORST. EPISODE. EVER." review by jean-marc lofficier of "the deadly assassin" from when it came out. one of my friends is all "why does doctor who _have_ to be a woman?", which as far as i'm concerned is totally sexist, because it assumes, against compelling evidence to the contrary, that whittaker was cast solely because of her gender, but fuck me if i'm going to argue the point with my friend too strongly. i'm not the Feminist Police.

one of my other friends posted "imagine if they'd cast a female LGBTQ person of color in the role!", and i'm thinking well OK I guess there's no reason you _can't_ have both lead characters be queer black women...

one of my friends is all "why does doctor who _have_ to be a woman?", which as far as i'm concerned is totally sexist, because it assumes, against compelling evidence to the contrary, that whittaker was cast solely because of her gender

fucking otm. sometimes casting decisions are made on the basis of how good someone is, not whether they're going to ~ruffle feathers~. the bbc is hardly going to cheap-trick its number one sci-fi property out of existence.

in a way i'm sort of glad this manbaby shit is playing out so early, because once it's out of their systems they'll reduce to a dull roar while the rest of us evaluate the show on things that matter, e.g. whether it's good. i know i won't give two shits about any of this by the time the christmas special rolls in.

and if ian levine wants a bag of dicks he can have one.

The first episode will be set on a misandrist utopian planet where all the men have been killed.

"xir, all our cycles are in sync! what will we do?"

"all the men are dead, you don't need to do anything!"

<much rejoicing and hoovering>

-- END SERIES --

i just… it's not the 1950s any more, obviously a woman can do normal doctor who normally, missy fucking managed it all right

(i know we all agree, just venting)

I just found out there's something I hate more than Doctor Who, and it's Doctor Who misogynists

Life's funny like that: If something's annoying you, there's always something that can annoy you more.