1939 era of hype competing with Batman-as-Hamlet synergy, LOL
Too much of anything, even ice crӕm, can def be a bad thing.
― Dr Morbius, Tuesday, 26 August 2008 18:26 (fifteen years ago) link
the counter argument is that movies were really new and no one knew how to make them worth shit - creative types labored under a highly restrictive studio system - and actors were all trained for stage and/or silent films
oy vey
― Edward III, Tuesday, 26 August 2008 18:26 (fifteen years ago) link
let's talk more about the free, enlightened, and supportive environment of today's hollywood. I'm glad that restrictive studio system was done away with.
― Edward III, Tuesday, 26 August 2008 18:29 (fifteen years ago) link
I think modern audiences have a hard time relating to Casablanca and GWTW as they're about adults.
― Dr Morbius, Tuesday, 26 August 2008 18:31 (fifteen years ago) link
I read GWTW when I was in . . . 10th? 1th? grade, and it was fine. Saw the movie shortly thereafter and don't see any need to ever see it again. Fuck a Confederacy.
Casablanca I first saw in a film appreciation class in college. I own the DVD and can watch it pretty much anytime. Never gets old.
― Pancakes Hackman, Tuesday, 26 August 2008 18:35 (fifteen years ago) link
"1th" = "11th"
Casablanca I have seen all the way through, twice, and I love it. There are just a lot of little things about GWTW that add up to "no thanks."
― Rock Hardy, Tuesday, 26 August 2008 18:36 (fifteen years ago) link
mostly old movie buffs are pining for a nonexistent time gone by with the wind - these movies are simple and obvious - easy to understand
― ice crӕm, Tuesday, 26 August 2008 18:38 (fifteen years ago) link
When did this thread turn to shit? Is ice craem Leslie Howard?
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Tuesday, 26 August 2008 18:44 (fifteen years ago) link
he could be... Nude Spock?
Some Marxist-blogger thoughts on racism in the film and novel:
http://louisproyect.wordpress.com/2006/08/01/gone-with-the-wind/
― Dr Morbius, Tuesday, 26 August 2008 18:48 (fifteen years ago) link
he does have a point though, let's get back to the hegelian complexity that is tropic thunder
― Edward III, Tuesday, 26 August 2008 18:49 (fifteen years ago) link
shouldnt this thread be in ilf lol
― ice crӕm, Tuesday, 26 August 2008 18:53 (fifteen years ago) link
Acting in a lot of modern films is "natural" and bad, thx Actors Studio.
so you saw paranoid park?
― Edward III, Tuesday, 26 August 2008 18:54 (fifteen years ago) link
Before the Devil Knows Albert Finney Asphyxiated P.S. Hoffman is what I was thinking of, first.
― Dr Morbius, Tuesday, 26 August 2008 18:56 (fifteen years ago) link
would you stop posting in it then?
― Edward III, Tuesday, 26 August 2008 18:59 (fifteen years ago) link
i will if you all agree to stay in ilf
― ice crӕm, Tuesday, 26 August 2008 19:00 (fifteen years ago) link
and take all the alexs w/u
― ice crӕm, Tuesday, 26 August 2008 19:01 (fifteen years ago) link
what do you mean by "you people"?
― Edward III, Tuesday, 26 August 2008 19:02 (fifteen years ago) link
he means, he's the foreman at Tara.
― Dr Morbius, Tuesday, 26 August 2008 19:04 (fifteen years ago) link
Dud because Olivia de Havilland just *won't die* and is ruining the success of my ILX Dead Pool '08, damnit!
― JTS, Tuesday, 26 August 2008 19:05 (fifteen years ago) link
ODH's only good film was The Heiress.
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Tuesday, 26 August 2008 19:09 (fifteen years ago) link
truth juice all over this thread thanks to ice cream
― special guest stars mark bronson, Tuesday, 26 August 2008 19:11 (fifteen years ago) link
it must've run out of his ear.
― Dr Morbius, Tuesday, 26 August 2008 19:12 (fifteen years ago) link
just what this thread needed, truth juice
― Edward III, Tuesday, 26 August 2008 19:16 (fifteen years ago) link
It's antioxidant.
― Dr Morbius, Tuesday, 26 August 2008 19:17 (fifteen years ago) link
It tastes like ham croquettes.
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Tuesday, 26 August 2008 19:18 (fifteen years ago) link
tmi
― Edward III, Tuesday, 26 August 2008 19:20 (fifteen years ago) link
What do you mean by "you people"?
(/Tropic Thunder)
― Pancakes Hackman, Tuesday, 26 August 2008 19:22 (fifteen years ago) link
For Alfred:
http://artless.lilting.org/caps_gwtw/images/gwtw0175.jpg
― Dr Morbius, Tuesday, 26 August 2008 19:23 (fifteen years ago) link
*rolls eyes at this thread*
― max, Tuesday, 26 August 2008 19:26 (fifteen years ago) link
but max, we were waiting for an "I'd hit it" post re Belle Watling!
― Dr Morbius, Tuesday, 26 August 2008 19:27 (fifteen years ago) link
Remember when CBS would make a big deal out of running Gone With the Wind and Wizard of Oz each year? Before videotape, it was the only way most viewers could see these movies.
― Pleasant Plains, Tuesday, 26 August 2008 19:28 (fifteen years ago) link
the Burnett show's spoof of GWTW was tied to its TV debut -- in 1976.
― Dr Morbius, Tuesday, 26 August 2008 19:29 (fifteen years ago) link
I can't see it, Morbs. If it's a croquette, you're 10 minutes too late.
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Tuesday, 26 August 2008 19:29 (fifteen years ago) link
these spoiled punks today, I remember when culture meant watching a jumpy 8mm print of nosferatu projected on a torn bedsheet
xxp
― Edward III, Tuesday, 26 August 2008 19:31 (fifteen years ago) link
thread now indistinguishable from society is in the gutter
― Edward III, Tuesday, 26 August 2008 19:33 (fifteen years ago) link
is this the most hyped film ever, pre and post release? -- Frogman Henry, Tuesday, August 26, 2008 1:23 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Link
"Titanic" has it beat, I imagine. -- Pashmina, Tuesday, August 26, 2008 1:24 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Link
Naw, Titanic only had, at best, about nine months' worth of pre-release buzz-engineering. GWTW was out there years (years!) before it was released.
― Eric H., Tuesday, 26 August 2008 20:56 (fifteen years ago) link
Star Wars prequels or Lord of the Rings, then.
― Dr Morbius, Tuesday, 26 August 2008 20:59 (fifteen years ago) link
it'd be hard to compete with the hype around the orig release of GWTW, but it was 193fkn9 and culture was a lot less dense then
― goole, Tuesday, 26 August 2008 21:11 (fifteen years ago) link
i mean dense and in dense, not dense as in stupid.
the book was a massive massive hit
Great, now I'm wondering what GWTW viral marketing would have been like.
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 26 August 2008 21:11 (fifteen years ago) link
franklymydear.org
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 26 August 2008 21:12 (fifteen years ago) link
ts: gone with the wind vs birth of a nation vs song of the south
― J.D., Tuesday, 26 August 2008 21:27 (fifteen years ago) link
It knocked "Gold Diggers of Broadway" off the top of then "highest-grossing movie ever" pile IIRC, which it had held since 1929.
This is more often said of The Singing Fool, Al Jolson's 1928 part-talkie follow-up to The Jazz Singer. And it seems as if it beat out Gold Diggers of Broadway just slightly. But according to MGM records, Ben-Hur and The Big Parade (both 1925) outgrossed them both.
That "GDoBW" (which sounds like it was a total blast) only exists in fragmentary form, while you can buy a lavish restored DVD of "GwtW" seems like some kind of cosmic injustice to me.
You can see some of those fragments on the three-disc DVD box of The Jazz Singer released last year which is quite possibly the best DVD set I've ever encountered. Pretty lavish too.
― Kevin John Bozelka, Tuesday, 26 August 2008 22:51 (fifteen years ago) link
KJB necessitates revival of ILF
― Dr Morbius, Wednesday, 27 August 2008 13:52 (fifteen years ago) link
I actually watched "Ben Hur" the other night, by coincidence.
I'd held off getting the "Jazz Singer" set, because they screwed up the Gold Diggers..." excerpts, and included a reel from something like "Show of Shows" instead of the "Tiptoe through the Tulips" section (also held off b/c I think "The Jazz Singer" is a bit of a bloater, and Al Jolson gets on my nerves something rotten). I'll eventually pick it up for the disc with all the vitaphone sound shorts on it. The GDoBW remnants are also going to be on the "Gold Diggers of 1937" disc in the forthcoming second Busby Berkely set apparently.
I'd read in a couple of places that GDoBW was the biggest drawing film of its day, that people would go and see it multiple times etc. I have the horrible feeling that one of the places I read that was Wikipedia, so, er.... In any case, given that it was a massive hit, and and that it was the first in a popular series, it just amazes me that it's mainly lost. Reading the story of how the various surviving bits washed up is pretty far out too, like last year or the year before last someone bought a vintage toy projector off ebay and one of the strips of film included with it was about a minute's worth from one of the earlier reels. Eh, maybe some more of it will be found over the next few years. It would be great.
― Pashmina, Wednesday, 27 August 2008 14:40 (fifteen years ago) link
OMG! I was wondering why I didn't hear "Tiptoe through the Tulips" in, well, the "Tiptoe through the Tulips" section. Still, amaaaaazing box set if only for the Vitaphone shorts. Spat into the wind here:
If you dig American vaudeville, get thee to the 3-DVD Deluxe Edition of THE JAZZ SINGER (1927)!
Morbs, you're sweet. I'll start posting on ILF.
― Kevin John Bozelka, Thursday, 28 August 2008 01:43 (fifteen years ago) link
I watched this recently on AMC. I haven't watched it since college, where it was campy entertainment for us.
Scarlett O'Hara's curtain couture wasn't THAT different or less ridiculous from Carol Burnett's send-up. I never noticed before how ridiculous Scarlett is. The South is portrayed as some exotic place.
Worth watching for the sets. Surely since this was after the depression, the excess would have invited scorn? Hard to know.
― Threat Assessment Division (I M Losted), Tuesday, 9 December 2014 00:33 (nine years ago) link
My mother was a teenager when this came out and she thought Clark Gable was a dreamboat. When GWTW was rereleased to theaters in the mid-60s she took all of her four children to the Music Box theater downtown (something unprecedented) so we could soak in the glory, just as she had when young. She talked it up a lot before we went.
As a 10 year old (approx.) I thought the first half was fairly snappy but the second half after the intermission was pretty damned boring. Clark's big line of "frankly, my dear..." just wasn't worth all the tedium that swathed it. I expect the movie was true to the book, but I never bothered to read the book.
― oh no! must be the season of the rich (Aimless), Tuesday, 9 December 2014 00:58 (nine years ago) link
Scorn from whom? Surely the masses enjoyed their escape into lavish mansions being burned and looted.
I saw some of it on AMC too, like when Scarlett shoots the rape-intent Yank in the face. I suppose there was a 75th anniv screening in Atlanta, as the premiere was in early December.
de Havilland interview in Garden & Gun:
http://gardenandgun.com/article/interview-olivia-de-havilland
― things lose meaning over time (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 9 December 2014 01:05 (nine years ago) link