Defend the Indefensible: Cocaine

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it made this guy ubiquitous, for better or for worse:

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― Eisbär (llamasfur), Friday, 21 April 2006 17:40 (eighteen years ago) link

It can be good in moderation. I'll never turn down a bump or two while out drinking. Doing it alone at home is a huge dud, though, as I learned a few weeks ago.

― josh in sf (stfu kthx), Friday, 21 April 2006 17:42 (eighteen years ago) link

are you just talking about ppl wanting to do more, or ppl being vultures, or both?

I suppose I'm just saying the short term craving's incredibly strong, strong enough to override your usual reservations about taking stuff off your mates. If I know there's going to be coke about when I go out, I'll either decide not to do any or try and buy a bit myself. But if you're offered a line unexpectedly, it's quite hard not to get all whiny about wanting another one an hour later.

― chap who would dare to be a nerd, not a geek (chap), Friday, 21 April 2006 17:44 (eighteen years ago) link

Big fancy law firms are FULL of this shit, so I'm not a fan.

― Colin Meeder (Mert), Friday, 21 April 2006 17:46 (eighteen years ago) link

oh ok, I see what you're saying. I will have to say I think the cigarette thing applies still though, it is a bit of not factoring the cost in your head. They gave me one for free earlier -> same cost to give one for free NOW -> oh and now -> oh and now -> Friend is thinking FUCK OFF AND BUY YR OWN ALREADY but probably still giving them to you not not be a douchebag while secretly wishing to hit you. This doesn't happen with drinks because it's pretty hard to justify mooching multiple "large purchases" (ie $5 a pint or whatever) whereas a single cigarette or single bump doesn't seem like a big economic hit.

Plus yeah you just want some!

― Allyzay Rofflesbot (allyzay), Friday, 21 April 2006 17:47 (eighteen years ago) link

i only drink booze, though.

You must be quite dehydrated.

― Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Friday, 21 April 2006 17:48 (eighteen years ago) link

Just curious, has anybody else done so much that they became over-stimulated and fell asleep?

― M. White (Miguelito), Friday, 21 April 2006 17:49 (eighteen years ago) link

haha no comment

― Allyzay Rofflesbot (allyzay), Friday, 21 April 2006 17:50 (eighteen years ago) link

The difference btween coke and cigs is that fags are constantly available for purchase. If you want some coke and the only possible source is your friends, then you've got no other choices than moaning to them or putting up with the craving.

xxxpost

― chap who would dare to be a nerd, not a geek (chap), Friday, 21 April 2006 17:51 (eighteen years ago) link

fags are constantly available for purchase.

I shouldn't have written that with so many Americans present.

― chap who would dare to tell uninteresting celeb spotting stories (chap), Friday, 21 April 2006 17:53 (eighteen years ago) link

I have no problem sleeping on the stuff. It makes me kind of mellow, strangely enough.

― josh in sf (stfu kthx), Friday, 21 April 2006 17:54 (eighteen years ago) link

haha true, generally, or there are generally more sources for bumming. I am coming from a viewpoint of a person who has lived in cities where drug vendors were about as ubiquitous in a bar as cig vendors (actually more so in NY since they got rid of all the smoking indoors, you actually have to leave the bar now to purchase cigs!)

― Allyzay Rofflesbot (allyzay), Friday, 21 April 2006 17:55 (eighteen years ago) link

you actually have to leave the bar now to purchase cigs!

untrue

― JW (ex machina), Friday, 21 April 2006 17:56 (eighteen years ago) link

If you decide to share your drugs with your friends, especially a drug like cocaine that makes people compulsive, you have to be ready to keep sharing or incur a certain amount of resentment. I share cigarettes readily with the homeless and the needy (as I define it) 'cause I have had to bum smokes too. However, my friends that have quit and then decide, drunkenly, that they want to smoke annoy with one exception. If he wants to smoke more than one, he ends up invariably buying a pack, smoking a few, and giving it to me later on.

― M. White (Miguelito), Friday, 21 April 2006 17:56 (eighteen years ago) link

The post-coke embarassment is nothing like post-E embarassment. Talking shit vs. everyone's my best friend ever and oh this carpet feels so good and ooooh need more water... A drug that turns you into an asshole is inherently better than one that turns you into a hippie.

― Big Willy and the Twins (miloaukerman), Friday, 21 April 2006 17:58 (eighteen years ago) link

generally true, JW, unlike in DC and (last I was in) London where it was never true. That being said both those cities doing away with teh smoking so who knows.

― Allyzay Rofflesbot (allyzay), Friday, 21 April 2006 17:59 (eighteen years ago) link

ugh, its hard for me to fall asleep after i've done a lot. which extra sucked when i used to live next to a catholic school, and my little balcony overlooked its playground - so when i would be lying in bed at 8am, i could hear all the little kiddies getting to school and playing tag or basketball, and then i would feel like a bad person. not as bad, i guess, as if i were a pedophile and peeping out the window at the little children, but still.

― phil-two (phil-two), Friday, 21 April 2006 17:59 (eighteen years ago) link

and you know, the coke you're snorting was probably smuggled into the states through some mule's lower intestines and then shit out. all so some fucking hipsters can feel like they had five espressos.

― mike a, Friday, 21 April 2006 18:00 (eighteen years ago) link

I have no tolerance for someone who shows up unprepared. However, if I have a lot of cigs, I figure it's worth bumming them to a person I know is going to feel guilty enough to buy me a few drinks.

― josh in sf (stfu kthx), Friday, 21 April 2006 18:00 (eighteen years ago) link

oh because only "hipsters" do cocaine.

― phil-two (phil-two), Friday, 21 April 2006 18:00 (eighteen years ago) link

A drug that turns you into an asshole is inherently better than one that turns you into a hippie.

That's funny, milo, 'cause my gf turns into the snarkiest bitch alive on E.

― M. White (Miguelito), Friday, 21 April 2006 18:01 (eighteen years ago) link

phil-two, you wouldn't happen to be doing coke right now would you?

― josh in sf (stfu kthx), Friday, 21 April 2006 18:01 (eighteen years ago) link

fyi: never done coke, never want to. i am already nervous, jittery and paranoid enough as it is. why take an addictive substance that will only amplify those feelings?

― mike a, Friday, 21 April 2006 18:01 (eighteen years ago) link

ok, change that to "some fucking people with too much money to burn"

― mike a, Friday, 21 April 2006 18:01 (eighteen years ago) link

don't knock it til you try it. kinda like anal

― phil-two (phil-two), Friday, 21 April 2006 18:02 (eighteen years ago) link

I bum to friends but if they show a notorious habit of being the person who bums basically an entire pack wtf seriously. We still have cigarette machines in bars in DC! Buy one pack!

E turns me into a terrible, paranoid, sickly person. I have a very bad reaction to it and, yes, become pretty bitchy because I get so itchy and ill.

― Allyzay Rofflesbot (allyzay), Friday, 21 April 2006 18:03 (eighteen years ago) link

don't knock it til you try it. kinda like anal

FWIW, I much rather try anal.

― Je4nn3 buttsex (Je4nne Fury), Friday, 21 April 2006 18:04 (eighteen years ago) link

phil-two, you wouldn't happen to be doing coke right now would you?
uh no, why?

― phil-two (phil-two), Friday, 21 April 2006 18:04 (eighteen years ago) link

i know a fair number of people in SF that have beeing doing this like crazy for the past few years and becoming increasingly unlikeable and annoying in the process.

― kyle (akmonday), Friday, 21 April 2006 18:05 (eighteen years ago) link

We still have cigarette machines in bars in DC! Buy one pack!

damn!

― Eisbär (llamasfur), Friday, 21 April 2006 18:05 (eighteen years ago) link

I developed quite the habit of bumming in college. This has been rectified by my not giving a shit and always factoring in a pack of cigs on the way to wherever I am going to drink. Take care of your shit, dumb drunk girl who can't understand that I'm married and don't HAVE to put up with your stupid drunken flirtations!

That said, unless I only have a few, I will usually give one up to some who asks nicely. I certainly have bummed some in the past, and have a good deal of cigarette karma to make up for.

― Big Loud Mountain Ape (Big Loud Mountain Ape), Friday, 21 April 2006 18:06 (eighteen years ago) link

I bum so much from my friend Renee that periodically I just buy her whole packs.

― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 21 April 2006 18:07 (eighteen years ago) link

I'm a coke addict.

This is how I feel about it.

― luna (luna.c), Friday, 21 April 2006 18:07 (eighteen years ago) link

People who bum cigarettes should be boiled in applesauce.

― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Friday, 21 April 2006 18:08 (eighteen years ago) link

E caused me to curl up fetal in the nearest dark corner and obsess about every bad thing I've ever done, and everything bad that's ever happened to me. It's great when you're feeling like that and some jaw-clenching idiot that was your friend a few hours ago comes up and asks you how you're doing, and you know that they need you to act like you're having the time of your life so you don't fuck up their roll.

― josh in sf (stfu kthx), Friday, 21 April 2006 18:08 (eighteen years ago) link

Phil, you've been knocking anal for years.

― Laurel (Laurel), Friday, 21 April 2006 18:10 (eighteen years ago) link

but i've tried it!

― phil-two (phil-two), Friday, 21 April 2006 18:10 (eighteen years ago) link

I developed quite the habit of bumming in college.

O RLY?

― Dan (LOL) Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 21 April 2006 18:11 (eighteen years ago) link

... not that im advocating you all run out and develop coke habits.

― phil-two (phil-two), Friday, 21 April 2006 18:12 (eighteen years ago) link

its ok, i might do it sometimes if its around, which isnt that often. i know its supposed to make people nasty, but i dont really notice that much when i see friends on it (and i am not, which is usually the case), though there was one occasion where i wasnt a very nice person on it. that was kind of weird and strange

its not something i'd want to do very regularly though

― harry galveston (gareth), Friday, 21 April 2006 18:13 (eighteen years ago) link

fyi: never done coke, never want to. i am already nervous, jittery and paranoid enough as it is. why take an addictive substance that will only amplify those feelings?

Because they might not? I usually end(ed) up talking a lot and having fun, but never had an adverse reaction like this (and I'm already pretty ADD). I dunno if it's like ritalin and hyper kids, but it mostly just smoothed me out.

Cheap weed, OTOH, makes me paranoid, dehydrated and miserable.

That leads me to a chemistry question I've always wondered about - is it actually possible for different batches of drugs ('good' LSD vs. 'bad', 'mellow' pot vs schwag, Jager vs. bourbon) to impart different feelings and reactions? LSD is LSD I would think - if you're hallucinating, the chemical composition has to be roughly the same.

― Big Willy and the Twins (miloaukerman), Friday, 21 April 2006 18:13 (eighteen years ago) link

What little cocaine I tried didn't fuck me half as much as too much gin does these days.

― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Friday, 21 April 2006 18:15 (eighteen years ago) link

Fuck off, Perry.

― Big Loud Dan Perry's Face Punching Ape (Big Loud Mountain Ape), Friday, 21 April 2006 18:17 (eighteen years ago) link

I'd say "DING DING DING" but I already did it on this thread.

― Allyzay Rofflesbot (allyzay), Friday, 21 April 2006 18:17 (eighteen years ago) link

Fuck off, Perry.

;_;

― Dan (Y U BRAEK HART) Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 21 April 2006 18:19 (eighteen years ago) link

"Good" LSD vs "Bad" is a matter of what else is in it, how it's made, etc. Sure, the active ingredient is the same, but always occurs in different concentrations (even from one side of the sheet to the next), and all the other shit that can end up in your acid can make it vary a lot. Same with Bourbon and Jager, roughly.

High grade pot and schwag are almost totally different drugs, though.

― Gilbert O'Sullivan (kenan), Friday, 21 April 2006 18:19 (eighteen years ago) link

I developed quite the habit of bumming in college. This has been rectified by my not giving a shit

― -+-+--++, Friday, 21 April 2006 18:21 (eighteen years ago) link

E caused me to curl up fetal in the nearest dark corner and obsess about every bad thing I've ever done, and everything bad that's ever happened to me.

That's exactly what happens to me when I smoke pot! I've taken E a handful of times and never gotten off on it, although a few of those times involved other substances so who knows, really.

I guess one by one, all the drugs I used to take stopped being fun for me and now I just drink beer. I'm pretty content that way, although I wouldn't suggest that anybody else need to adopt my person habits. When it was fun, it was really fun.

― Safety First (pullapartgirl), Friday, 21 April 2006 18:22 (eighteen years ago) link

Alright...sorry, Dan. I'm getting a little punchy with the last 1.5 hours of the week promising to go as slowly as the others did.

― Big Loud Mountain Ape (Big Loud Mountain Ape), Friday, 21 April 2006 18:27 (eighteen years ago) link

That's exactly what happens to me when I smoke pot!

That's what happens to me when I smoke shitty Mexican cornfield pot. But O! Canada!

― Gilbert O'Sullivan (kenan), Friday, 21 April 2006 18:31 (eighteen years ago) link

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