Sea Devils And Die: GeroniMoffat's Doctor Who In The 2010s

Is Christmas day a glimpse or a full introduction?
JUst trying to remember from previous regenerations if you get any sight of what they will play the character loike before the first full adventure. Or just see the new actor in the old actor's last costume.

new actor in old costume

except for Tennant, his introductory episode was the Christmas episode

Did Ecclestone bow out very rapidly without filming beyond the end of the season. I know he wasn't happy with what the then current regime was doing with the legacy or marketing or something.
BUt would guess that he was a rare occurrence. Sylvester McCoy even came back to film his regeneration in the film. THough it was him not Colin Baker who did the regeneration into him wasn't it?

well it's certainly the quickest and most effective way of getting me on Team Chibnall
― The Saga of Rodney Stooksbury (rushomancy), Sunday, July 16, 2017 6:44 PM (thirty-five minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Lol and OTM

Just for fun (*) I'm going to remove this bookmark and unsubscribe from a few news feeds and just see whether there's any way I can stay unspoiled on this until Christmas.
(*) It won't be fun, it'll be annoying.
― JimD, Saturday, July 15, 2017 10:14 AM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I wanted to try this too, then realised I'd rather self-spoil than have it ruined by someone's passing Metro newspaper on the tube. I'd say, despite the very wise and welcome choice not to have another male doctor, this is kind of a tepid result. But, you know, WAIT AND SEE. Iirc Whitaker had good comic timing in that dreadful This Life sequel a while back.

This phrase from the BBC press release is very fuck off:

Piers Wenger, Controller BBC Drama, says : "Jodie is not just a talented actor but she has a bold and brilliant vision for her Doctor. She aced it in her audition both technically and with the powerful female life force she brings to the role.

(The "female life force" bit - sweet ugh.)

was thinking back to A L Kennedy's argument from a couple of years ago about why the part shouldn't be played by a woman

Speaking at the Edinburgh international book festival, Kennedy said: “As a heterosexual woman, I have no interest in a female Doctor. He’s kind of got a guy vibe, the Doctor. A hopeless, undomestic, dozy, dreamy guy-type of eccentricity. It’s not a girl-type of eccentricity. I’d be surprised if he changed gender.”

Instead, she made a plea for the creation of characters who were “iconic and marvellous for women. Let’s have faith that you can do that. Make the companions ballsy and wonderful. Let’s make wonderful parts that were designed for women.”

She conceded that it was terrible that there weren’t enough good parts for women. “But I never, as a female, thought I was being robbed because the Doctor’s a bloke.”

https://www.theguardian.com/books/2015/aug/19/doctor-who-should-never-be-played-by-a-woman-says-novelist-al-kennedy

I don't really agree though, I think you can have a female character with a hopeless, undomestic, dozy, dreamy eccentricity, though it's hard to think of many examples, and I think they would generally be perceived as "mannish". The doctor tends to played as affable but also kind of emotionally distant, I can't think of many young female heroes you can say this of? I feel like when ppl imagined a female Dr Who it was generally as batty old lady type

That's an unusually lazy bit of gender-typing for Kennedy, I think.

Just noticed there is a bit of a Tilda-esque alien bouff to Whittaker's hair.

For those wondering about what the rumourmill had been saying, the leading contender in the odds in previous months was Kris Marshall. I hadn't seen anything he'd done, but he looked like an ooglier Davison in photos. There was also a letter a BBC drone sent to a sexist mother that promised her the next Doctor wouldn't be a woman.

Imho Eva Green's character in Penny Dreadful would be an excellent starting point for imagining a female doctor

Minus all the sex and murder etc of course

maybe when she said life force she meant this:

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-Y-rF5P6sKT4/VNu4WTVAAQI/AAAAAAAABX0/AvTsk0M6C9A/s1600/lifeforce-life-force-1985-tobe-hooper-peter-firth-steve-railsback-mathilda-may-movie-film-review-shelf-heroes.jpg

woke up and played the video without spoilers. saw the hand, thought "nah, bloke", saw her face and COULDN'T SHUT MY MOUTH. so so so fucking happy. ian levine's histrionics run a close second.

btw i do believe they're warming us up to a female doctor, with missy being all through this era + the recent doctor/bill chinwag about gender being eh-who-cares on gallifrey.

― Autumn Almanac, Monday, 3 July 2017 22:04 (two weeks ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

sooooo many people said we were wrong, no way, they won't cast a woman, too soon etc

this is the new 21st century bbc, mock the week even had two women the other day

Weren't there predictions of a female Doctor prior to Capaldi's casting, as well?

probably, can't remember back that far tbh! sic will know

first time i saw jodie whittaker (marchlands) i thought she was sarah smart out of at home with the braithwaites until about halfway through

Predictions and "Oh well you never know" from highly-placed sources have been a fixture since JNT, I understand.

i can't recall jodie whittaker's name coming up anywhere, so good job bbc if they really did keep a lid on this the whole time. hoping all the outraged ~mmmmmeeeeeennnnnn~ can stop crying long enough to think about the capable actor and potentially incredible doctor we're looking at here.

from three months ago

In a letter to a ‘concerned’ fan — picked up by The Sun — a BBC complaints officer ‘assured’ there are “currently no plans” for a female Timelord.

“We appreciate that you’re a big Doctor Who fan and you have concerns that the programme would change should there be a female doctor,” wrote Joanne Coyne.

"Be assured there are currently no plans to have a female Doctor Who.”

​Coyne reportedly added that the worries — which included how children would be confused if the role swapped genders — would be passed onto the programme’s makers, “including the Doctor Who team”.

Can't believe nobody's making "Time Lorde" jokes yet? As far as I can tell

Hie thee to Twitter, Tombo, and bear the new hashtag in yer name.

sorry tombot

fuck it

https://www.google.com.au/search?q=jodie+whittaker+";time+lorde"&oq=jodie+whittaker+"time+lorde"

look you just have to believe me, a google search for "jodie whittaker" "time lorde" yields results is what i'm trying to say

ten pounds says the outrage movement who can't handle female doctors will call her "nurse who"

Haha I literally lasted less than ten minutes, opened safari without realising I'd left the BBC news site open and without me even refreshing it popped up a BREAKING NEWS JODIE WHITTAKER.

But hey if I didn't know then I'd be missing out on all these broflake lols.

Whittaker was really good in Marchlands. Am excited for this development--already suggests Chibnall might be more interesting than I had expected.

Part of me is all "this means they could do some really interesting science-fictional spins on identity and gender and (grand)parenthood", and part of me is "maybe not of Gatiss is still writing scripts".

We should petition to have Mycroft get his own spinoff series.

Part of me is all "this means they could do some really interesting science-fictional spins on identity and gender and (grand)parenthood"

god i hope they don't get bogged down in "she's a woman! we can do all these women things" type scripts. being a man never gave the doctor man-type things to do (pending sic fact check)

btw i really really really hope an old doctor actor doesn't publicly moan about this

if, say, tom baker speaks to the press and goes "you never had a female robin hood!! this is beyond the pale", a whole seven years of this show will suddenly have a giant MRA shadow cast over it

colin's happy

Change my dears and not a moment too soon - she IS the Doctor whether you like it or not!

— Colin Baker (@SawbonesHex) July 16, 2017

fantastic! and what a marvellous quote

"she's a woman! we can do all these women things" type scripts

this is definitely NOT what I want or mean

xp And his followup:

And to those making 'parking the Tardis' jokes - name me one make Doctor that was unfailingly good at that! 🙄

— Colin Baker (@SawbonesHex) July 16, 2017

xp sorry james

i was only posting off the back of your post, not trying to put words in your mouth

btw i really really really hope an old doctor actor doesn't publicly moan about this

the ghost of William Hartnell will manifest to make clear his displeasure

haha that was my first thought too

I still wanted an entire season of Joanna Lumley.

One of Australia's most unpleasant, racist, greedy, shitbag, posturing pseudoChristian politicians is a big Doctor Who fan, having somehow missed every message the show has sent for decades; can't wait to see him lose his shit over this

sooooo many people said we were wrong, no way, they won't cast a woman, too soon etc

― blink truther (Autumn Almanac), Monday, July 17, 2017 8:24 AM (two hours ago)

Weren't there predictions of a female Doctor prior to Capaldi's casting, as well?

― Dippin' Sauce on my Nice New Slacks (Old Lunch), Monday, July 17, 2017 8:27 AM (two hours ago)

probably, can't remember back that far tbh! sic will know

― blink truther (Autumn Almanac), Monday, July 17, 2017 8:33 AM (two hours ago)

I didn’t see any “no way too soon” stuff this year, only back before Smith and especially Capaldi

Predictions and "Oh well you never know" from highly-placed sources have been a fixture since JNT, I understand.

― Andrew Farrell, Monday, July 17, 2017 8:40 AM (two hours ago)

Remember, JNT went on and on to the press in 1981 and 1984 about how “the new Doctor could be anyone – even a woman!”

― Doubtless they are toss. (sic), Friday, July 7, 2017 1:17 PM (one week ago)

Part of me is all "this means they could do some really interesting science-fictional spins on identity and gender and (grand)parenthood", and part of me is "maybe not of Gatiss is still writing scripts".

― Mince Pramthwart (James Morrison), Monday, July 17, 2017 9:15 AM (one hour ago)

Chibnall is by all accounts going to be head-writing the entire season with the help of a Broadchurch-graduate US-style writer’s room.

― Doubtless they are toss. (sic), Friday, July 7, 2017 1:17 PM (one week ago)

and Gatiss is one of two writers from this series who have explicitly said they haven’t been asked back due to Chibnall’s all-new team-writing squad.

lol @ L3v1n3 losing his rag btw, hope a newspaper has sent a photographer around again

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/imageserver/image/methode%2Ftimes%2Fprodmigration%2Fweb%2Fbin%2Fb5ef3067-457b-321d-81a1-f67e98ed0c16.jpg

I didn’t see any “no way too soon” stuff this year

two weeks ago i had lunch with some massive dorks who were "nope, no way, won't happen, don't be ridiculous". i mentioned missy and the doctor-bill conversation about time lord gender swapping and they were "sure but it won't happen, you are being ridiculous, stop being ridiculous"

obv I wasn’t saying that no crybaby idiots weren’t saying it, just that it definitely happened back then - and less so now IME, which is nice

yep understood.

this will be incredible for young girls who feel they can be the hero for once. i just hope chibnall doesn't fuck it up ghostbusters-2016-style and leave dickheads saying "see?????? told you a female doctor would be stupid" when it was never about the casting choice in the first place.

What are all these people going to do if their country ever gets ruled by a lady-king or king-woman (or whatever the name will be if such an abomination ever happens)?

God save us all from such a fate.

Lol

seeing a lot of honestly fucked-up "i'm not sexist but wahhhhh" type comments all over the place. it's not "politically correct" or "sjw", they've simply cast someone who will apparently be really fucking good in the role. i mean it's science fiction, it's a fucking alien that regenerates at cellular level, this is fine. if these god damned sooks really need their maaaaaaan doctor, there are 839 episodes for them to enjoy.