2008 Primaries Thread

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WV is a convention format, decided during the day. You won't get the rest until tonight.

Next time instead of a primary the dems should just play Hollywood Squares with their celebrity endorsers.

clinton camp wants more debates, possibly one per week for the rest of the contest:

http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/02/debates_debates_and_more_debat.php

I don't see an "endorsement," but Cockburn has said his favorite candidate would be putting Paul and Huckabee in a blender.

-- Dr Morbius, Tuesday, February 5, 2008 6:48 PM (53 minutes ago)

wtf cockburn

gotten increasingly disenchanted with him over the last few years, but this is mind-boggling.

haha Mackro otm, WA pamphlet is ridiculously lolhueg

because we were all wondering what Dov Charney was thinking - http://www.slate.com/id/2182933/#tshirt

clinton camp wants more debates, possibly one per week for the rest of the contest.

Must mean HRC's camp thinks she won the last one, and it will help HRC today.

If HRC loses the next debate, tho, expect her to oppose further debates.

i think it means the clinton campaign doesn't know how to get any momentum over the next few weeks

"VOTE FOR ME OR I'LL SPANK YOU WITH A KNIFE!"

i think it means the clinton campaign doesn't know how to get any momentum over the next few weeks

I LIKE YOUR THEORY BETTER.

so PP I was wondering what the general take on Ms. R-C is in Little Rock?

People still like her. They got to know her, and Arkansas is a pretty transitional state as it is with retirees and football coaches. I've seen more Hillary! signs in people's yards than Obama.

There is a lot of anti-Huckabee resentment just due to the fact that he was pretty much a Very Blue Dog Democrat. He raised taxes to fix the highways and didn't demonize immigrants. Democrats didn't like him for marching around the capitol on the annual Roe v Wade Day as well as taking handouts from anybody and setting up a "renew our vows" registry up on Target.com.

And everyone knows he was behind Wayne DuMond getting clemency, even though his name isn't officially on the document.

it's a decent chess move, tho

if a standard gambit

i think it means the clinton campaign doesn't know how to get any momentum over the next few weeks

yea i agree with this. others have mentioned that the more time obama has to campaign, the better he does, the more momentum he gets, the more his speeches inspire people to vote for him, etc.

i think obama was fine during the last debate, but i can't help but think that clinton comes off a little better (iraq questions excepted).

If HRC loses the next debate, tho, expect her to oppose further debates.

yep.

isn't the conventional wisdom that the less-favored candidate will always want to debate more, in order to make up ground and get free face-time on the networks?

xxpost

I don't think it's that Hillary beats Obama in the debates; I think they both do ok, and he arguably did better than her in the last one. The real issue is that debates are a contained environment in which they start from equal positions, a tabula rasa, rather than primaries or caucuses in which one candidate has momentum and the other tries to hold on. Also, debates are decided exclusively by the commentators rather than actual voters.

oh yeah, it might also say something about Hillary's January fundraising

same with her attacking Obama on matching funds

oh yeah, it might also say something about Hillary's January fundraising

^^yea definitely. debates are free publicity.

Mark Penn:

"The campaign believes that it’s critically important that we continue the debate," he said, citing the questions of "who offers universal healthcare and who's best prepared to fix the economy."

these are issues that i thought hillary outperformed obama on, at least in last week's debate.

http://politicalwire.com/archives/2008/02/05/obama_crushed_clinton_in_january_fundraising.html

sometimes you can tell what gabbnebb's links will say by reading the URLs

The whining begins:

Today, Romney for President Campaign Manager Beth Myers issued the following statement regarding the outcome of West Virginia's Republican Party convention:
"Unfortunately, this is what Senator McCain's inside Washington ways look like: he cut a backroom deal with the tax-and-spend candidate he thought could best stop Governor Romney's campaign of conservative change.

"Governor Romney had enough respect for the Republican voters of West Virginia to make an appeal to them about the future of the party based on issues. This is why he led on today's first ballot. Sadly, Senator McCain cut a Washington backroom deal in a way that once again underscores his legacy of working against Republicans who are interested in championing conservative policies and rebuilding the party."

haha, i'm for anything that keeps huckabee and romney in the race longer and encourages schism within the GOP

James Dobson -- I Will Never Vote for that Scoundrel, John McCain. Too little, too late, I'm afraid.

^^also rush

love that rush will vote for a candidate he thinks will undoubtedly screw-up the country just so that person doesn't end up being a republican

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/02/05/ny_brooklyn_neigborhood_loves.html

Poor Mittens. I wonder if he is going to be broke after today.

He won't be. Seeing the writing on the wall, he placed very limited ad buys in the Super Tuesday states.

California is his line-in-the-sand. If he doesn't win it, I'm not sure he even stays in the race.

Seeing Romney out before Ron Paul would make me laugh quite a bit.

Oh, and I gather Hewitt finally hedged a bit and said, "Well, um, I'll support McCain in the general, sure!" What a pathetic lickspittle.

I think I have just realized that I really hate the word "lickspittle".

Super Vocab Tuesday

is there anything to like about the word, except for the fact that it is particularly, uh, evocative?

I really like the words "toady" and "sycophant". "Lickspittle" is just gross.

it's got "lick" in it.

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I'd just like to point out that.. Hill's January fundraising was about $13.5 mil which would be on track for a record-breaking quarter, so it's not like her fundraising is drying up, more that Obama just pulled in an unprecedented amount of $$.

lil old ladies be sendin' green stamps

It's also phonetically clumsy with the "-cksp-" in the middle. It just doesn't sound right to me.

"Moistly queefing lickspittle" is probably the worst phrase in the world.

stop quoting Ulysses, Dan.

"And I said ugh I said oof."

Stately plump Rush Limbaugh

haha

"that lickspittle coug, queefing moistly in her jorts"

lazy idle little liberal

(wrong Joyce, but whatever)

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Is the old guy in the middle peeing on the Diebold machine?