I have had it up to here waiting for the Beatles catalogue to be remastered

Peabo Bryson was the bridge between Hair Metal and Grunge

is the Mono mix in the box set any different from the mastering of the mono mix that they put out in 2009?

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By the time that Slang came out, Cobain was long gone and grunge was in its final stages.

Leppard's greatest hits LP, Vault, was a Top 5 record in the UK, and 'When Love and Hate Collide' was a big hit, peaking at #2. This was in 1995, a year after Cobain died and four years after Nirvana supposedly (in flappy bird's words) "completely decimated" them.

no one remembers that song

yr british right? i'm not speaking abt grunge to you

Haha

I remember it.

...and why? Because the US was dumb enough to buy truckloads of Bush records and we weren't? ;)

yr british right? i'm not speaking abt grunge to you
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I personally thought we Brits were OTM by not buying millions of copies of Ten ...

very much so

Brits had p good taste in grunge and grunge-era American rock iirc - Nirvana, Mudhoney, Sonic Youth, Dinosaur Jr.

Soundgarden's Superunknown and Down On The Upside were both Top 10 LP's here!

And here I thought I could turn this place into the Steve Hoffman Forums - pearls before swine, I tell ya.

Re-watching the 1987 tv documentary It Was Twenty Years Ago Today, and man, it really contextualizes Pepper like nothing else -- certainly, nothing published about the 50th anniversary -- has been able to do. Regardless of one's feelings about the music, this would be my go-to for anyone asking what the big deal was. Allen Ginsberg, Abbie Hoffman, David Crosby, Peter Fonda, a Dutch anarchist, a couple of draft-dodgers, Barry Miles, some California commune-dwellers...they're all here!

(most of it is in youtube in chunks)

Whoops, I was wrong. Crosby's not in it. But Ed Sanders is.

sorry to break up all your grunge talk but could someone tell me if the mono mix and master is the same or no?

guess I'll listen to my pirated copy and decide for myself

It's a new transfer, I believe. Same original master as the mono reissues.

Can you hear Paul go, "Thank you, George & Amanda!" at the end of the reprise? That's all I care about.

The first half of the pings at the end of "Strawberry Fields" on this "Stereo Mix 2015" thing are inaudible. And some of John's gibberish during the scary outro sounds very different. It's unsettling having those familiar elements changed or removed.

xp There's some yelling (Paul I guess, panned to the right) at the end of Reprise that I've never heard before.

When they do the 55th anniversary remix, they should layer the "sugarplum fairy" count off above the outro of Reprise and crank it louder than everything else on the album.

john's backing vox on getting better are so funny

Did anyone else have childhood nightmares about the last 30 seconds of Strawberry Fields?

There's two 'Cranberry Sauce's

Oh, and the guitar tweak noise right at the beginning of "Good Morning" isn't 'like' the original mono...

I listened to the mono Pepper mix for the first time yesterday. kinda interesting. in general the bass just seems way more prominent. otoh this makes certain things rock harder, esp the reprise.

listened to this mono master, not different to my ears from the 2009 one, but still good. I was a bit high and listened to it in bed while drifting off to sleep.

it's still weird to me that the mono mix is considered the 'approved' one because the beatles supervised it. some things are just better in the stereo mix; like the good morning clucks into the guitar squeal. they really spent more time on this splice on the mono than on the stereo? because it sounds very natural in the stereo mix and sloppy in the mono

yeah I definitely noticed that. for a record I know so well it was the obvious changes that stood out and almost all of those had to do with tape editing - the cluck/guitar squeal, the placement of audience sounds, the vocal effect on Lucy.

but yeah idk if it's really "better"

They did.

Because it sounds like an additional sqawk.

They ran the tape slow for a fraction of a second, then sped it up to normal. On purpose.

They didn't do that on the original stereo, the new stereo, I don't know the new mono.

Xpost, obv,

new mono is the same as old mono; it's not a mono remix, it's just a remaster

So, it'll have the squark then.

Australian Broadcasting Corporation just did some good interviews with Geoff Emerick and Richard Lush that are up on Youtube. I think it was the Lush one where he talks about how they did a lot of their mix planning without even knowing they would be doing a stereo mix after, so they had to try to remember how they did certain things when they were asked to do the stereo.

I think both of them much prefer the mono.

Way late to this, but just wanted to chime in with my love for the doc Tarfumes mentioned up thread. I watched the hell out of that as an impressionable 12 year old.

One thing that strikes me watching it now is how upbeat George seems, at least relative to his general glumness through the Anthology. There's nary a hint of any negative feelings about Sgt Pepper, while in Anthology he basically says it was no fun.

Really digging Giles Martin's new mixes *except* for "Penny Lane". Somehow it's lost it's psychedelic powah in this new mix. The outtakes for PL are wonderful, though as are most of the rest (though still don't care much for "Mr Kite" and now really love "Rita").

Re-watching the 1987 tv documentary It Was Twenty Years Ago Today

Is this the one that starts out with the title track, and all the figures on the album cover start rocking back and forth in cutting-edge 1987 cardboard animation?

Yep, that's the one. They later used that same animation in Anthology.

Ha, I'd wondered where that was from!

The 'Good Morning Good Morning' transition into the reprise of the title track is more jarring on the mono version, agreed. You can hear the tape edit, whereas it's smoother on the stereo edition.

xp I agree that George did seem rather upbeat about the era. It's a strange documentary, I didn't really think they actually managed to make any real connection between the Beatles making Sgt. Pepper and the American counterculture other than it being a soundtrack, but it does get loads of good contributions in it, most notably Derek Taylor.

Also love that animation with the cardboard heads. Feels canonically Beatlesy for some reason.

is that documentary on youtube or something ?

*except* for "Penny Lane". Somehow it's lost it's psychedelic powah in this new mix.

I enjoyed the one disc of outtakes, yeah I'd like to hear the other outtakes particularly the SFF take 1 mixed properly, but yeah not for £100

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ARMRFoLcBU

the book looks like some crappy rush job thing. posters look good. not 100 quid's worth of good like.

definitely.
I'm only interested in the rest of the outtakes and the mono remaster. and I can live without these !

is that documentary on youtube or something ?

Parts of it are, yes:

https://youtu.be/HWriMsTALF4?list=PL6208F5F8D1A8868F

The aforementioned animated sequence is missing. The documentary starts with Allen Ginsberg talking briefly about each track, with cutaways relating to said track. The doc on youtube is missing some of these, and opens with one such cutaway to musicologist Wilfred Mellers singing "She's Leaving Home." He appears later in the doc to talk about it more in depth.

xp I agree that George did seem rather upbeat about the era. It's a strange documentary, I didn't really think they actually managed to make any real connection between the Beatles making Sgt. Pepper and the American counterculture other than it being a soundtrack, but it does get loads of good contributions in it, most notably Derek Taylor.

Also love that animation with the cardboard heads. Feels canonically Beatlesy for some reason.

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I remember not liking it much at the time, but mainly because I wanted more "when we did 'Lucy In The Sky,' Ringo put this tea-towel on that drum and then we all got super baked" kind of stuff. Now, I want less of that. We know all the stories, and they're good stories, but what's missing from most of the 50th anniversary retrospective pieces is any measure of contextualization. That is, Abbie Hoffman and Ed Sanders don't talk about Sgt. Pepper much, but they're essential to understanding its significance in its time.

As for George, he hadn't put out a record since 1982 (Cloud Nine was still months away). It had likely been years since he'd done a filmed interview, and he hadn't yet been subject to the endless repetition of the same questions to the degree that Paul had (but Paul never seemed to mind). By the time Anthology rolled around, he'd done tons of interviews and seemed sick of it.

isn't that doc what's in the box set? also PBS is running a doc this weekend; maybe the same one?

re: penny lane remix. I wish he'd been balsy and just put the horn over the ending. it's a remix after all, why not do something different.