I have had it up to here waiting for the Beatles catalogue to be remastered

lol i see it already got quoted here but if you missed it here is the worst hot take on this album ever written:

http://www.salon.com/2017/05/29/against-sgt-pepper-the-beatles-classic-made-pop-seem-male-nerdy-and-important-and-that-wasnt-a-good-thing/

lol i came here to post that. the funniest part is when she claims grunge was heralded for wiping out girl pop like Madonna and Mariah Carey. they did fine in the 90s! the only thing grunge completely decimated was the most misogynistic strain of rock music in history - hair metal.

In an interview on NPR Giles Martin said they used the original compressors. Abbey Road RS124s I guess? There's no sidechain input for an EQ AFAIK, but if they had enough they could split frequency bands between them.

NPR interview with Giles Martin.

https://n.pr/2qpIdqW

the only thing grunge completely decimated was the most misogynistic strain of rock music in history - hair metal.

― flappy bird, Tuesday, May 30, 2017 5:30 PM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

WRONG. Def Leppard and Bon Jovi continued to do well during and after grunge. The likes of Warrant, Winger and Poison were on their way out anyway.

(because they weren't very good to begin with)

I worked on perhaps the last mag to still get excited by Warrant, Winger and Poison a few years back and it was amazing how they all held grudges against Nirvana and grunge for ending their careers and killing off their genre, even if they actually split first time round in 88 or whatever. Like, grunge did a good job of making this stuff seem uncool, the "The emperor's naked!" it needed or something, but what killed off that scene was cocaine overuse, cynicism, a simple idea worn too thin and hiring Diane Warren to write indentikit ballads*.

(* I actually like Diane Warren ballads but you get what I mean)

guys this has gone on long enough

But yeah, that whole Salon piece is mostly a steaming pile apart from this bit...

It’s no “Dare” by Human League, that’s for sure.

...which is OTM.

oh wait we're literally discussing the same article on two different threads? sorry got confused there

xp

It's just that momentous and thought-provoking.

WRONG. Def Leppard and Bon Jovi continued to do well during and after grunge. The likes of Warrant, Winger and Poison were on their way out anyway.

― The Anti-Climax Blues Band (Turrican), Tuesday, May 30, 2017 2:21 PM (seventeen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Def Leppard went 3X with Adrenalize but that's coming way down off the last one, then Slang was just gold

Bon Jovi did better cuz they were only partially dependent on the metal crowd they had a classic rock/Springsteen/Billy Joel appeal

I was in HS and early college when grunge hit and me and tons of my friends basically all stopped listening to hair metal w/the exception of GnR if that counts and transferred over to grunge/alternative

man check out all the hot grunge action on these charts, no bubblegum pop here nope

http://www.billboard.com/archive/charts/1993/hot-100

or here
http://www.billboard.com/archive/charts/1992/hot-100

Peabo Bryson was the bridge between Hair Metal and Grunge

is the Mono mix in the box set any different from the mastering of the mono mix that they put out in 2009?

xxxpost:

By the time that Slang came out, Cobain was long gone and grunge was in its final stages.

Leppard's greatest hits LP, Vault, was a Top 5 record in the UK, and 'When Love and Hate Collide' was a big hit, peaking at #2. This was in 1995, a year after Cobain died and four years after Nirvana supposedly (in flappy bird's words) "completely decimated" them.

no one remembers that song

yr british right? i'm not speaking abt grunge to you

Haha

I remember it.

...and why? Because the US was dumb enough to buy truckloads of Bush records and we weren't? ;)

yr british right? i'm not speaking abt grunge to you
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I personally thought we Brits were OTM by not buying millions of copies of Ten ...

very much so

Brits had p good taste in grunge and grunge-era American rock iirc - Nirvana, Mudhoney, Sonic Youth, Dinosaur Jr.

Soundgarden's Superunknown and Down On The Upside were both Top 10 LP's here!

And here I thought I could turn this place into the Steve Hoffman Forums - pearls before swine, I tell ya.

Re-watching the 1987 tv documentary It Was Twenty Years Ago Today, and man, it really contextualizes Pepper like nothing else -- certainly, nothing published about the 50th anniversary -- has been able to do. Regardless of one's feelings about the music, this would be my go-to for anyone asking what the big deal was. Allen Ginsberg, Abbie Hoffman, David Crosby, Peter Fonda, a Dutch anarchist, a couple of draft-dodgers, Barry Miles, some California commune-dwellers...they're all here!

(most of it is in youtube in chunks)

Whoops, I was wrong. Crosby's not in it. But Ed Sanders is.

sorry to break up all your grunge talk but could someone tell me if the mono mix and master is the same or no?

guess I'll listen to my pirated copy and decide for myself

It's a new transfer, I believe. Same original master as the mono reissues.

Can you hear Paul go, "Thank you, George & Amanda!" at the end of the reprise? That's all I care about.

The first half of the pings at the end of "Strawberry Fields" on this "Stereo Mix 2015" thing are inaudible. And some of John's gibberish during the scary outro sounds very different. It's unsettling having those familiar elements changed or removed.

xp There's some yelling (Paul I guess, panned to the right) at the end of Reprise that I've never heard before.

When they do the 55th anniversary remix, they should layer the "sugarplum fairy" count off above the outro of Reprise and crank it louder than everything else on the album.

john's backing vox on getting better are so funny

Did anyone else have childhood nightmares about the last 30 seconds of Strawberry Fields?

There's two 'Cranberry Sauce's

Oh, and the guitar tweak noise right at the beginning of "Good Morning" isn't 'like' the original mono...

I listened to the mono Pepper mix for the first time yesterday. kinda interesting. in general the bass just seems way more prominent. otoh this makes certain things rock harder, esp the reprise.

listened to this mono master, not different to my ears from the 2009 one, but still good. I was a bit high and listened to it in bed while drifting off to sleep.

it's still weird to me that the mono mix is considered the 'approved' one because the beatles supervised it. some things are just better in the stereo mix; like the good morning clucks into the guitar squeal. they really spent more time on this splice on the mono than on the stereo? because it sounds very natural in the stereo mix and sloppy in the mono

yeah I definitely noticed that. for a record I know so well it was the obvious changes that stood out and almost all of those had to do with tape editing - the cluck/guitar squeal, the placement of audience sounds, the vocal effect on Lucy.

but yeah idk if it's really "better"

They did.

Because it sounds like an additional sqawk.

They ran the tape slow for a fraction of a second, then sped it up to normal. On purpose.

They didn't do that on the original stereo, the new stereo, I don't know the new mono.

Xpost, obv,

new mono is the same as old mono; it's not a mono remix, it's just a remaster

So, it'll have the squark then.

Australian Broadcasting Corporation just did some good interviews with Geoff Emerick and Richard Lush that are up on Youtube. I think it was the Lush one where he talks about how they did a lot of their mix planning without even knowing they would be doing a stereo mix after, so they had to try to remember how they did certain things when they were asked to do the stereo.

I think both of them much prefer the mono.

Way late to this, but just wanted to chime in with my love for the doc Tarfumes mentioned up thread. I watched the hell out of that as an impressionable 12 year old.

One thing that strikes me watching it now is how upbeat George seems, at least relative to his general glumness through the Anthology. There's nary a hint of any negative feelings about Sgt Pepper, while in Anthology he basically says it was no fun.

Really digging Giles Martin's new mixes *except* for "Penny Lane". Somehow it's lost it's psychedelic powah in this new mix. The outtakes for PL are wonderful, though as are most of the rest (though still don't care much for "Mr Kite" and now really love "Rita").