Trump, May 2017: 100 days of [unintelligible]

we already know what the line is and it's the edwin edwards boundary

i mean *trump* might resign just because he's having so very much not-fun. but pence and ryan and sessions have *plans*

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DgzssDOTMXs

Bill Bennett finally finding common ground with Christopher Hitchens.

Nobody, anywhere, not in the US, not in France, not in Austria, nowhere, should play 4d chess. Just go out there and fight the right-wingers as much as you can. If you fell Trump, good. Oh, fuck, now you got Pence? Then fight him.

Defeating Trump is good, just as defeating Le Pen was good, just as defeating Fillon was good...

If you defeated Le Pen only to have the VP of the National Front take office that wouldn't be a win.

With an added bonus that the VP is actually more competent and evil.

people won't get mad and grow sick of the system in the same way under Pence or Ryan, sorry, just not gonna happen

also the notion that either of those chucklefucks would nominate less awful people to the supreme court is bizarre to me

No one thinks that. The difference is Trump is going to get us all killed.

He is a fucking lunatic.

Simon pretty much otm. unless Trump starts a war. everything else is the same or very possibly worse under Pence or especially Ryan.

president pence preferable if congress flips

So him being in office does not put us in a better position to fight the Republican agenda. It puts our nation in a protracted state of emergency in which politics becomes impossible.

That's absurd. He might get us into a war... just like Pence or any other establishment Republican would. The big knock on Trump from the Never Trump crew is, if anything, he's not enough of a warmonger.

Can Trump in his senility single-handedly order a nuclear strike, without any other authorization? (I'm seriously asking.)

Yes. The only way it could be blocked is if someone on the inside violates the law to stop it.

a protracted state of emergency in which politics becomes impossible.

This is good imo, this is where it should have been during the drone campaigns and/or Iraq

politics becomes impossible

cool w me at least for the next 1.5 years, assuming we can flip congress. which even now isn't a sure thing. that senate map looks like hell.

president pence preferable if congress flips

― Mordy, Tuesday, May 16, 2017

yes srsly. I've been saying this forever. Why the fuck are y'all so afraid of him? He signs legislation the GOP wants and they lose it all.

Yeah, I'm with milo on this one. Trump is an unhinged lunatic. Pence is a garden-variety establishment troll. I disagree with him philosophically, and I abhor some of his positions. But to ascribe 'evil motives' to him compared with an actual lunatic is putting a cart before a toupéed horse.

Markets now trading at 43% that Trump reaches 2020 as POTUS and 27% gone by end of year. Lowest point of presidency https://t.co/wXhI7b3lv4

— David Rothschild (@DavMicRot) May 16, 2017

both are evil lunatics, one knows how not to step on his own dick every 15 minutes

The paradox of governance this century, which the Dems learned in 2010, is you pay a price for passing legislation. Hence why Congress passes few bills these days no matter who rules.

dudes, stop. Pence is evil and would be a horrible president who'd fuck people's lives, but he's an imbecile in over his head as much as Trump. He was an unpopular, mocked governor of Indiana.

christ i can't keep track of this shit anymore, i'm just going to listen to '70s motown records until things start to make sense again if that's okay with y'all. and even if it's not, man, _floy joy_ is so good!

Simon OTM. Trump undermines GOP effectiveness in a way that Pence wouldn't, especially as the media would hail him as the Savior of the Honor of the Republic.

the only benefit that I can see to getting rid of Trump (besides y'know nukes) is potentially alienating the part of the base that was attached specifically to him

only benefit? might want to think that through.

Several people in this thread need a drink.

Also: Trump isn't getting impeached anytime soon. It won't happen until the GOP loses some seats.

Alfred no he is getting impeached I just reassured my mom.

hahaha

Did anybody really vote for Pence? It seems to me that alot of the MAGA crowd evaporates with DJT should he be removed

did you vote for John Nance Garner?

Also: Trump isn't getting impeached anytime soon. It won't happen until the GOP loses some seats.

On this we can agree

Did anybody really vote for Pence? It seems to me that alot of the MAGA crowd evaporates with DJT should he be removed

No, but they voted *against* the dems

This thread moves fast, so I'm just going to respond to milo's first answer.

If you defeated Le Pen only to have the VP of the National Front take office that wouldn't be a win.

― El Tuomasbot (milo z), 17. maj 2017 02:00 (fourteen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Yes it would. And the National Front would consider it a massive loss, there's a reason they had Le Pen as their main candidate. Also, defeat the first one, and it becomes easier to defeat the second one.

Defeat Trump and Pence gets hit as well. Just go for it. Don't hold back, don't think up bad excuses for holding back.

media would hail him as the Savior of the Honor of the Republic.

yep (unless he's implicated in anything). and they definitely can't wait to recalibrate their narrative to "Brave GOP Heroes Choose Country Over Party"

maybe we should take this moment to process the election again

Destroying Trump is like killing Palpatine: the Empire lost its will to live, led to Rebel triumph.

But war continued.

re upthread - I presume Chaffetz would subpoena the memo from current FBI/DOJ staff, not from Comey himself (who as an ex-employee probably should not have retained any files or documents).

did you vote for John Nance Garner?

― the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn)

i voted for "cactus jack" because i thought i was voting for mick foley :(

Destroying Trump is like killing Palpatine: the Empire lost its will to live, led to Rebel triumph.

But war continued.

Nah, more like blowing up those Death Stars only to have that other world-blowing-up-thing show up in the dumb sequel.

fuck I extended the star wars analogy I'm so sorry everyone

the best case scenario is Trump serves the full term imo

the usa would not have any allies left by 2020

Did anybody really vote for Pence?

evangelicals did

Also, defeat the first one, and it becomes easier to defeat the second one.

If only removal from office initiated a new election. Which it doesn't.

Huckabee: funny politico, or _funniest_ politico?

NY Times now reports that anonymous source saw @realDonaldTrump on grassy knoll in Dallas on Nov 22, 1963. Cong Adam Shifty says impeach!

— Gov. Mike Huckabee (@GovMikeHuckabee) May 16, 2017

Huckabee done lost his mind

Better Star Wars analogy is killing Darth Vader and leaving Palpatine in power.