Ryan Adams (musician): One night I was hanging with the Strokes guys and Ryan [Gentles, the band’s manager]. We were really stoned because we were basically always smoking pot.
Ryan Adams: I didn’t do drugs socially, and I don’t remember doing drugs with Albert ever
― chr1sb3singer, Monday, 15 May 2017 20:49 (six years ago) link
i listened to the ryan adams maron episode and man, he is irritating.
― tylerw, Monday, 15 May 2017 21:06 (six years ago) link
all of these people seem like dumbbells
― Οὖτις, Monday, 15 May 2017 21:09 (six years ago) link
I saw the Strokes around 2006 at a *Heineken Sponsored Event* in NYC hosted by Paul Shaffer. All around great time, not sad or weird at all.
― orifex, Monday, 15 May 2017 21:09 (six years ago) link
So that means you like The Strokes, Mr.Sinkah? :)― Omar, Wednesday, 25 July 2001 01:00 (fifteen years ago) Bookmark Flag Post PermalinkNevah heard a note, Omah!! Doubtless they are toss.― mark s, Wednesday, 25 July 2001 01:00 (fifteen years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Nevah heard a note, Omah!! Doubtless they are toss.― mark s, Wednesday, 25 July 2001 01:00 (fifteen years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
So wise, wonder if he ever heard them.
― Dan Worsley, Monday, 15 May 2017 21:12 (six years ago) link
that whole era of fashion spread version of junkie '70s rock is pretty dull. i liked the strokes' debut well enough, but in the same way i liked Poison's debut in '86. in other words, they're no Def Leppard.
― nomar, Monday, 15 May 2017 21:21 (six years ago) link
It's a pretty good excerpt, mostly for the way everyone involved seems to know that things didn't go the way they were supposed to. You could do the same thing about Franz Ferdinand I bet - and people would be talking about how Pete Doherty was much better at being a real rock star - just this band that all of a sudden got amazingly big, and then nobody really knew what to do, and then they disappeared. The idea of either Strokes or Franz Ferdinand doing a 'London Calling'... Or even just a '13' or an 'In Utero'. Or, you know, a 'Be Here Now', a big crazy god awful boondoggle. Somehow it seems a completely ridiculous idea.
― Frederik B, Monday, 15 May 2017 21:22 (six years ago) link
I think bands like the Strokes and the Cars who don't really 'evolve' and basically kept making the same album over and over again are fine, idk why anyone would particularly want them to make a 13 or In Utero
― soref, Monday, 15 May 2017 21:41 (six years ago) link
For all the speculating that article does, the most obvious answer to "why didn't the Strokes stay popular" is that thier other albums didn't have any hits
― Evan R, Monday, 15 May 2017 21:47 (six years ago) link
Like, it wouldn't have mattered if this or that follow-up album was too similar to or too different from the previous albums, if any of those albums had had a solid hit on them
― Evan R, Monday, 15 May 2017 21:48 (six years ago) link
i loved the first Strokes album so much. still dig it out from time to time.
nothing else from that scene really caught my ear. i liked The Rapture (early 20s in punk clubs dancing to "House of Jealous Lovers") and some DFA stuff but that's about it. LCD bores me to tears and i imagine they will take up the most page space in this book.
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Monday, 15 May 2017 21:49 (six years ago) link
The Cars changed a lot between albums 2 and 3. (And Franz Ferdinand's third album, Tonight, was a big shift, too, and their best work IMO.)
― Malcolm X, Martin Luther King, Jr, and Violent J (誤訳侮辱), Monday, 15 May 2017 21:59 (six years ago) link
did the strokes ever do a big ballad kinda thing? it'd probably be terrible, but i can see them having a hit with a slow jam.
― tylerw, Monday, 15 May 2017 21:59 (six years ago) link
The whole neo-garage thing got squeezed down into a compartment big enough for one star, and that was Jack White...someone whose celebrity outweighed the chart success the White Stripes ever had.
So much of this smacked of, you know, you get the press behind these bands, and there's major label muscle too, but you see there's this new thing called conglomerate radio that finally taken hold, and all that other stuff doesn't amount to a hill of beans because none of these bands sell adspace like, I dunno, Godsmack or somebody.
― to fly across the city and find Aerosmith's car (C. Grisso/McCain), Monday, 15 May 2017 22:14 (six years ago) link
Panorama doesn't really sound all that different from the first two albums imo
― soref, Monday, 15 May 2017 22:20 (six years ago) link
yeah there was one on the second record that i think i liked. i feel like they may have done a couple of slow numbers here and there but were def not single material
― constitutional crises they fly at u face (will), Monday, 15 May 2017 22:30 (six years ago) link
Casablancas made the big weird mess of an album the others in the band didn't want to make with Tyranny a few years ago.
― ufo, Monday, 15 May 2017 22:37 (six years ago) link
So much of this smacked of,
interesting word choice
― the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 15 May 2017 22:37 (six years ago) link
I like how everyone except maybe Greenwald bemoans how the Strokes destroyed their own chances of being great when anyone who heard those two albums heard nothing but minor band with the dregs of major label money behind it. They were like Lone Justice or something.
― the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 15 May 2017 22:38 (six years ago) link
and as usual the Vulture headliners still believe in last-great-rock-band cliches.
― the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 15 May 2017 22:39 (six years ago) link
I started falling asleep before the end of that excerpt, not sure what kind of torture an entire book would be.
― El Tuomasbot (milo z), Tuesday, 16 May 2017 07:57 (six years ago) link
I've never even heard of the band they describe as following the Strokes - Longwave?
― El Tuomasbot (milo z), Tuesday, 16 May 2017 07:58 (six years ago) link
Goodman follows the meteoric rise of the artists that revolutionised the cultural landscape and made Brooklyn the hipster capital of cool—including The Strokes, The Yeah Yeah Yeahs, LCD Soundsystem, Interpol, and Vampire Weekend.
full disclosure: i'm not a new yorker, never been to brooklyn
but something about crediting these folks with making brooklyn 'the hipster capital of cool' seems... off to me? am i wrong?
― The Patricia Routledge Meatspin Gif Has Made You Gay (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 16 May 2017 08:31 (six years ago) link
Ryan Adams: That’s so sad, because Albert and I were friends. If anything, I really felt like I had an eye on him in a way that they never did. I was around and we actually spent time together. He would show me his songs. It was like, “No one ever listens to my music, but do you want to hear it?” I would be like, “Fuck yeah!” I loved him so deeply. I would never ever have given him a bag of heroin. I remember being incredibly worried about him, even after I continued to do speedballs.
boy ryan adams does not come across well in this article does he
― The Patricia Routledge Meatspin Gif Has Made You Gay (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 16 May 2017 08:39 (six years ago) link
http://pixel.nymag.com/imgs/daily/vulture/2017/05/10/strokes/8-2.nocrop.w1024.h2147483647.jpg
nice canadian tuxedo ryan
― The Patricia Routledge Meatspin Gif Has Made You Gay (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 16 May 2017 08:41 (six years ago) link
something about crediting these folks with making brooklyn 'the hipster capital of cool' seems... off to me? am i wrong?
i am pretty sure they all lived in manhattan. at least that's mostly where they hung out, did gigs etc
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 16 May 2017 08:51 (six years ago) link
that oral history is a delightful hate-read - thank you itnernet!
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 16 May 2017 09:07 (six years ago) link
and lol at not a single word about the actual music
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 16 May 2017 09:39 (six years ago) link
http://pixel.nymag.com/imgs/daily/vulture/2017/05/10/strokes/8-2.nocrop.w1024.h2147483647.jpgnice canadian tuxedo ryan
what's this, the the Blue Jean Committee?
― evol j, Tuesday, 16 May 2017 13:40 (six years ago) link
ugh why didn't the Strokes discredit Heineken forever
― the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 16 May 2017 14:07 (six years ago) link
is that jack white, beck, a guy from the strokes and ryan adams (+ 2 women, one of which seems to be beck's gf/wife) ?
― AlXTC from Paris, Tuesday, 16 May 2017 14:19 (six years ago) link
one of those women is amanda de cadenet, who i'd totally forgotten was peripherally involved in this scene
― The Patricia Routledge Meatspin Gif Has Made You Gay (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 16 May 2017 14:20 (six years ago) link
hum. ok, I didn't who she was but after checking, it is her. she was like 10y older than he strokes guy (which she married apparently).
― AlXTC from Paris, Tuesday, 16 May 2017 14:29 (six years ago) link
You could do the same thing about Franz Ferdinand I bet
Don't think FF belong in the same discussion at all. They seem like smart dudes who have their shit together. And they've put out some of their finest music in just the last year or 3.
― andrew m., Tuesday, 16 May 2017 14:37 (six years ago) link
also a highly respected british broadcaster xp
― The Patricia Routledge Meatspin Gif Has Made You Gay (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 16 May 2017 14:37 (six years ago) link
They seem like smart dudes who have their shit together.
also alex kapranos was 53 when ff started having hits, so they were better prepared for it
― The Patricia Routledge Meatspin Gif Has Made You Gay (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 16 May 2017 14:38 (six years ago) link
and I don't think you can compare the media storm/hype the strokes got with FF's.actually has there been another new rock band with such a hype/success since the strokes ?
― AlXTC from Paris, Tuesday, 16 May 2017 14:42 (six years ago) link
actually, I suppose the White Stripes, were much bigger, right after...
― AlXTC from Paris, Tuesday, 16 May 2017 14:44 (six years ago) link
The rock press isn't set up anymore, financially or otherwise, to create such hype. Besides, clickbait rules demand celebrity journalism.
― the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 16 May 2017 14:45 (six years ago) link
actually has there been another new rock band with such a hype/success since the strokes
maroon 5 iirc
― The Patricia Routledge Meatspin Gif Has Made You Gay (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 16 May 2017 14:46 (six years ago) link
are there a rock band anymore or are they Adam & the Levines?
― the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 16 May 2017 14:47 (six years ago) link
they're hard as fuck and as real as they come, 100% bad-boy rock and roll attitude 4eva
― The Patricia Routledge Meatspin Gif Has Made You Gay (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 16 May 2017 14:48 (six years ago) link
https://www.doyouyoga.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/adam-levine-yoga.jpg
― the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 16 May 2017 14:50 (six years ago) link
His timeline is off; I was a fan of Longwave and their first album predated the Strokes' by a year or so. I saw them a bunch around then and liked the album quite a bit but I never associated them with the scene around the Strokes -- I haven't listened to the album in years but I remember the influences being more like shoegaze/dreampop/mid-late '80s UK guitar bands. They did get picked up by RCA after the Strokes but I didn't care for much they put out after. Regardless they're a weird example as even among my show-going friends I did't know anyone who listened to them, and if anything their sound on the RCA albums (in hazy memory) was even further from what the Strokes and others were doing.
re: making brooklyn 'the hipster capital of cool' like Tracer Hand says I associated most of those bands with (and saw them primarily in) Manhattan. Generally speaking though I don't think it's a stretch to say that various music scenes played a large part in Brooklyn's developing reputation.
― early rejecter, Tuesday, 16 May 2017 14:51 (six years ago) link
ahah. I don't think I know any maroon5 song except "this love"...I have no idea how they are so famous !
― AlXTC from Paris, Tuesday, 16 May 2017 14:57 (six years ago) link
talent will always win through
― The Patricia Routledge Meatspin Gif Has Made You Gay (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 16 May 2017 14:59 (six years ago) link
obviously I don't know them enough but doesn't Adam Levine have a Sting thing going ? He seems to follow the same kind of career path...
― AlXTC from Paris, Tuesday, 16 May 2017 15:03 (six years ago) link
actually has there been another new rock band with such a hype/success since the strokes ?
― AlXTC from Paris, Tuesday, May 16, 2017 2:42 PM (forty-two minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Arcade Fire's first album? Bright Eyes? The Shins?
― Mr. Snrub, Tuesday, 16 May 2017 15:27 (six years ago) link
that whole era of fashion spread version of junkie '70s rock is pretty dull.
This is otm and the reason the idea of an oral history of the scene also seems so boring. "Please Kill Me" is partly great because so much of the actual music that came out of that scene was actually great, but also because for better and worse a lot of the behavior in it is really spectacular in its decadence and depravity. Lots and lots of people died! Lots of people were legit crazy. "Ryan Adams got me into heroin for a while" is not interesting or even particularly sad.
― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Tuesday, 16 May 2017 15:45 (six years ago) link
pretty funny tho
― The Patricia Routledge Meatspin Gif Has Made You Gay (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 16 May 2017 15:45 (six years ago) link