"An iconic era where NYC musicians once again thought they were they only thing that mattered."
― Ned Raggett, Monday, 15 May 2017 19:21 (six years ago) link
It was a silly scene for sure and I think the excerpt acknowledges that, the fact that these guys really didn't sell a whole lot of records. Doesn't detract from how great the debut was though (and yeah, Room on Fire was very strong as well).
― evol j, Monday, 15 May 2017 19:23 (six years ago) link
saw some excerpts here it reads like the most delicious parody ever, but then it gets kind of sad.
still a damn fine band there for a minute though
― constitutional crises they fly at u face (will), Monday, 15 May 2017 19:51 (six years ago) link
weird how them turning down a Heineken ad is considered "dumb", i mean smart move i'd say.
― piscesx, Monday, 15 May 2017 20:11 (six years ago) link
weird time to release a book about the 2000s rock revival, since that scene has virtually no lasting significance, at least not right now
Like, the bands profiled in Our Band Could Be Your Life, another book about a burst-and-boom scene, mattered even after their commercial window closed. Much harder to make that argument about most of the 2000s bands
― Evan R, Monday, 15 May 2017 20:14 (six years ago) link
If nothing else the excerpt proves that Ryan Adams is without a doubt, a total ding-dong
― chr1sb3singer, Monday, 15 May 2017 20:19 (six years ago) link
sorta interested in the claims of them being an amazing live band -- were they really that good? Casablancas always struck me as a pretty uninspiring frontman, and the rest of 'em seem dull as well. maybe i just haven't seen the right clips.
― tylerw, Monday, 15 May 2017 20:29 (six years ago) link
I saw them once in a very small room right when the first album came out. They were fine. Def could have been three out of four on a wknd night in Mpls.
― chr1sb3singer, Monday, 15 May 2017 20:30 (six years ago) link
lol Ned otm
― Οὖτις, Monday, 15 May 2017 20:34 (six years ago) link
One reason I hoped I would live to see 2017 is that I thought people would finally be done talking about The Strokes by now.
― PJD PDJ DPJ (DJP), Monday, 15 May 2017 20:36 (six years ago) link
Nah, nostalgia cycle at work. Makes sense. If everyone's been muttering about a nu-metal revival for the past couple of years, this might as well follow. (In that respect, Ja Rule returning to public attention does too.)
― Ned Raggett, Monday, 15 May 2017 20:42 (six years ago) link
On this we can all agree.
― Ned Raggett, Monday, 15 May 2017 20:43 (six years ago) link
lol yeah, this part is greatWhen he shows you a song, he doesn’t stop for hours. You’re like, “Oh, that reminds me of a song I wrote.” And you play a G chord and he’s like, “I know what you’re talking about,” and he grabs the guitar back. There’s no way to play music with him. It’s the Ryan show, always.
― tylerw, Monday, 15 May 2017 20:45 (six years ago) link
I mean, that whole Ryan Adams/John Mayer douche crew thing. Imagine being stuck in THAT room.
― Ned Raggett, Monday, 15 May 2017 20:46 (six years ago) link
"You two have inspired me to form a band consisting of nothing but evil industrial noises and anti-heterosexual lyrics."
YOUR BODY IS A DEATHTRAP/I'LL USE MY TONGS*
* I don't know any Ryan Adams songs, completely by choice, so I can't parody them as effectively
― PJD PDJ DPJ (DJP), Monday, 15 May 2017 20:48 (six years ago) link
Ryan Adams (musician): One night I was hanging with the Strokes guys and Ryan [Gentles, the band’s manager]. We were really stoned because we were basically always smoking pot.
Ryan Adams: I didn’t do drugs socially, and I don’t remember doing drugs with Albert ever
― chr1sb3singer, Monday, 15 May 2017 20:49 (six years ago) link
i listened to the ryan adams maron episode and man, he is irritating.
― tylerw, Monday, 15 May 2017 21:06 (six years ago) link
all of these people seem like dumbbells
― Οὖτις, Monday, 15 May 2017 21:09 (six years ago) link
I saw the Strokes around 2006 at a *Heineken Sponsored Event* in NYC hosted by Paul Shaffer. All around great time, not sad or weird at all.
― orifex, Monday, 15 May 2017 21:09 (six years ago) link
So that means you like The Strokes, Mr.Sinkah? :)― Omar, Wednesday, 25 July 2001 01:00 (fifteen years ago) Bookmark Flag Post PermalinkNevah heard a note, Omah!! Doubtless they are toss.― mark s, Wednesday, 25 July 2001 01:00 (fifteen years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Nevah heard a note, Omah!! Doubtless they are toss.― mark s, Wednesday, 25 July 2001 01:00 (fifteen years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
So wise, wonder if he ever heard them.
― Dan Worsley, Monday, 15 May 2017 21:12 (six years ago) link
that whole era of fashion spread version of junkie '70s rock is pretty dull. i liked the strokes' debut well enough, but in the same way i liked Poison's debut in '86. in other words, they're no Def Leppard.
― nomar, Monday, 15 May 2017 21:21 (six years ago) link
It's a pretty good excerpt, mostly for the way everyone involved seems to know that things didn't go the way they were supposed to. You could do the same thing about Franz Ferdinand I bet - and people would be talking about how Pete Doherty was much better at being a real rock star - just this band that all of a sudden got amazingly big, and then nobody really knew what to do, and then they disappeared. The idea of either Strokes or Franz Ferdinand doing a 'London Calling'... Or even just a '13' or an 'In Utero'. Or, you know, a 'Be Here Now', a big crazy god awful boondoggle. Somehow it seems a completely ridiculous idea.
― Frederik B, Monday, 15 May 2017 21:22 (six years ago) link
I think bands like the Strokes and the Cars who don't really 'evolve' and basically kept making the same album over and over again are fine, idk why anyone would particularly want them to make a 13 or In Utero
― soref, Monday, 15 May 2017 21:41 (six years ago) link
For all the speculating that article does, the most obvious answer to "why didn't the Strokes stay popular" is that thier other albums didn't have any hits
― Evan R, Monday, 15 May 2017 21:47 (six years ago) link
Like, it wouldn't have mattered if this or that follow-up album was too similar to or too different from the previous albums, if any of those albums had had a solid hit on them
― Evan R, Monday, 15 May 2017 21:48 (six years ago) link
i loved the first Strokes album so much. still dig it out from time to time.
nothing else from that scene really caught my ear. i liked The Rapture (early 20s in punk clubs dancing to "House of Jealous Lovers") and some DFA stuff but that's about it. LCD bores me to tears and i imagine they will take up the most page space in this book.
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Monday, 15 May 2017 21:49 (six years ago) link
The Cars changed a lot between albums 2 and 3. (And Franz Ferdinand's third album, Tonight, was a big shift, too, and their best work IMO.)
― Malcolm X, Martin Luther King, Jr, and Violent J (誤訳侮辱), Monday, 15 May 2017 21:59 (six years ago) link
did the strokes ever do a big ballad kinda thing? it'd probably be terrible, but i can see them having a hit with a slow jam.
― tylerw, Monday, 15 May 2017 21:59 (six years ago) link
The whole neo-garage thing got squeezed down into a compartment big enough for one star, and that was Jack White...someone whose celebrity outweighed the chart success the White Stripes ever had.
So much of this smacked of, you know, you get the press behind these bands, and there's major label muscle too, but you see there's this new thing called conglomerate radio that finally taken hold, and all that other stuff doesn't amount to a hill of beans because none of these bands sell adspace like, I dunno, Godsmack or somebody.
― to fly across the city and find Aerosmith's car (C. Grisso/McCain), Monday, 15 May 2017 22:14 (six years ago) link
Panorama doesn't really sound all that different from the first two albums imo
― soref, Monday, 15 May 2017 22:20 (six years ago) link
yeah there was one on the second record that i think i liked. i feel like they may have done a couple of slow numbers here and there but were def not single material
― constitutional crises they fly at u face (will), Monday, 15 May 2017 22:30 (six years ago) link
Casablancas made the big weird mess of an album the others in the band didn't want to make with Tyranny a few years ago.
― ufo, Monday, 15 May 2017 22:37 (six years ago) link
So much of this smacked of,
interesting word choice
― the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 15 May 2017 22:37 (six years ago) link
I like how everyone except maybe Greenwald bemoans how the Strokes destroyed their own chances of being great when anyone who heard those two albums heard nothing but minor band with the dregs of major label money behind it. They were like Lone Justice or something.
― the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 15 May 2017 22:38 (six years ago) link
and as usual the Vulture headliners still believe in last-great-rock-band cliches.
― the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 15 May 2017 22:39 (six years ago) link
I started falling asleep before the end of that excerpt, not sure what kind of torture an entire book would be.
― El Tuomasbot (milo z), Tuesday, 16 May 2017 07:57 (six years ago) link
I've never even heard of the band they describe as following the Strokes - Longwave?
― El Tuomasbot (milo z), Tuesday, 16 May 2017 07:58 (six years ago) link
Goodman follows the meteoric rise of the artists that revolutionised the cultural landscape and made Brooklyn the hipster capital of cool—including The Strokes, The Yeah Yeah Yeahs, LCD Soundsystem, Interpol, and Vampire Weekend.
full disclosure: i'm not a new yorker, never been to brooklyn
but something about crediting these folks with making brooklyn 'the hipster capital of cool' seems... off to me? am i wrong?
― The Patricia Routledge Meatspin Gif Has Made You Gay (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 16 May 2017 08:31 (six years ago) link
Ryan Adams: That’s so sad, because Albert and I were friends. If anything, I really felt like I had an eye on him in a way that they never did. I was around and we actually spent time together. He would show me his songs. It was like, “No one ever listens to my music, but do you want to hear it?” I would be like, “Fuck yeah!” I loved him so deeply. I would never ever have given him a bag of heroin. I remember being incredibly worried about him, even after I continued to do speedballs.
boy ryan adams does not come across well in this article does he
― The Patricia Routledge Meatspin Gif Has Made You Gay (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 16 May 2017 08:39 (six years ago) link
http://pixel.nymag.com/imgs/daily/vulture/2017/05/10/strokes/8-2.nocrop.w1024.h2147483647.jpg
nice canadian tuxedo ryan
― The Patricia Routledge Meatspin Gif Has Made You Gay (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 16 May 2017 08:41 (six years ago) link
something about crediting these folks with making brooklyn 'the hipster capital of cool' seems... off to me? am i wrong?
i am pretty sure they all lived in manhattan. at least that's mostly where they hung out, did gigs etc
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 16 May 2017 08:51 (six years ago) link
that oral history is a delightful hate-read - thank you itnernet!
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 16 May 2017 09:07 (six years ago) link
and lol at not a single word about the actual music
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 16 May 2017 09:39 (six years ago) link
http://pixel.nymag.com/imgs/daily/vulture/2017/05/10/strokes/8-2.nocrop.w1024.h2147483647.jpgnice canadian tuxedo ryan
what's this, the the Blue Jean Committee?
― evol j, Tuesday, 16 May 2017 13:40 (six years ago) link
ugh why didn't the Strokes discredit Heineken forever
― the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 16 May 2017 14:07 (six years ago) link
is that jack white, beck, a guy from the strokes and ryan adams (+ 2 women, one of which seems to be beck's gf/wife) ?
― AlXTC from Paris, Tuesday, 16 May 2017 14:19 (six years ago) link
one of those women is amanda de cadenet, who i'd totally forgotten was peripherally involved in this scene
― The Patricia Routledge Meatspin Gif Has Made You Gay (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 16 May 2017 14:20 (six years ago) link
hum. ok, I didn't who she was but after checking, it is her. she was like 10y older than he strokes guy (which she married apparently).
― AlXTC from Paris, Tuesday, 16 May 2017 14:29 (six years ago) link
You could do the same thing about Franz Ferdinand I bet
Don't think FF belong in the same discussion at all. They seem like smart dudes who have their shit together. And they've put out some of their finest music in just the last year or 3.
― andrew m., Tuesday, 16 May 2017 14:37 (six years ago) link