U.S. Supreme Court: Post-Nino Edition

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That's 2 takes on the Justice Roberts Order

curmudgeon, Monday, 15 May 2017 16:03 (seven years ago) link

Yeah, ideally I'd like the court to uphold the decision so it applies nationwide, but given the current court I think that's a very good result, and in time for 2018.

Hopefully the SC won't get to this Texas case till after 2018

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2017/05/15/despite-todays-supreme-court-ruling-the-future-looks-grim-for-voting-rights/?hpid=hp_no-name_opinion-card-a%3Ahomepage%2Fstory&utm_term=.f4809980a334

The case to keep an eye on is the one coming from Texas, which in 2011 enacted one of the most absurdly discriminatory voting laws in the country. It required ID at the polls, but specified that certain kinds of ID more likely to be carried by Republicans (such as hunting licenses) would be considered valid, while kinds of ID more likely to be carried by Democrats (such as student IDs from state schools) wouldn’t. An estimated 600,000 legitimate Texas voters lack the kind of ID the law mandates, and so would be prohibited from voting.

The Texas law has been struck down by a district court, whose ruling was then upheld by an appeals court (which sent it back down for more fact-finding). In January, the Supreme Court rejected an appeal by the state, saying that they wouldn’t hear the case yet while the district court was still rehearing it. Then in April, the district court struck it down again. The Obama Justice Department had supported the plaintiffs, but the Trump Justice Department dropped that position.

That can all be a little confusing, but here’s what matters: With the conservatives on the Supreme Court now at full strength, they will probably hear the Texas case, and none of them have given any indication that they have a problem with the kind of restrictions Texas has in mind. If they uphold that law, it won’t just be Texans who are affected.

That’s because any such ruling would be a handbook for Republican legislatures everywhere, saying in essence, “Here’s how you can go about restricting the votes of racial minorities and young people. Do these things, avoid these other things, and your law will be upheld.”

curmudgeon, Monday, 15 May 2017 18:59 (seven years ago) link

Yeah, ideally I'd like the court to uphold the decision so it applies nationwide, but given the current court I think that's a very good result, and in time for 2018.

― the last famous person you were surprised to discover was actually (man alive), 15. maj 2017 19:29 (two hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

They still have to redraw and do special elections in 17, right?

Frederik B, Monday, 15 May 2017 20:10 (seven years ago) link

omg sad lol @ those valid ID distinctions

a hunting license wtf

Οὖτις, Monday, 15 May 2017 20:21 (seven years ago) link

whoa!

he Supreme Court ruled Monday that racial considerations pervaded the way North Carolina lawmakers drew congressional maps after the 2010 Census in order to maximize Republicans' advantage.

The 5-3 ruling, written by Justice Elena Kagan, was the latest in a series of decisions by the justices against the excessive use of race in redistricting, the decennial process of drawing new district lines for Congress and state legislatures.

Justice Samuel Alito dissented in part from the ruling, joined by Chief Justice John Roberts and Justice Anthony Kennedy.

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 22 May 2017 14:18 (six years ago) link

Check out who joined the majority:

Odd breakdown in 15-1262 Cooper v. Harris: Kagan, Thomas, Ginsburg, Breyer, Sotomayor v. Alito, Roberts, Kennedy

— Kimberly Robinson (@KimberlyRobinsn) May 22, 2017

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 22 May 2017 14:19 (six years ago) link

fucking Kennedy.

constitutional crises they fly at u face (will), Monday, 22 May 2017 14:42 (six years ago) link

Is that the name of Bill O'Reilly's next historical fiction novel?

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 22 May 2017 14:44 (six years ago) link

can't wait for Gorsuch to start joining those five-vote majorities

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 22 May 2017 14:47 (six years ago) link

Huh, is he not officially in the mix yet?

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 22 May 2017 14:49 (six years ago) link

Thomas! HOLY SHIT

Οὖτις, Monday, 22 May 2017 14:54 (six years ago) link

the case was heard before Gorsuch joined xpost

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 22 May 2017 14:55 (six years ago) link

Baffled at what Thomas' reasoning could possibly be tbh

Οὖτις, Monday, 22 May 2017 15:01 (six years ago) link

being butthurt over Anita Hill

Charles "Butt" Stanton (Neanderthal), Monday, 22 May 2017 15:03 (six years ago) link

legislative jiggery-pokery!

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 22 May 2017 15:05 (six years ago) link

from SCOTUSblog:

Indeed. Thomas, Breyer, Ginsburg, and Sotomayor joined Kagan in full.

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 22 May 2017 15:06 (six years ago) link

lol:

Excellent literary back and forth bw Kagan & Alito in the footnotes - Alito citing "Hamlet," Kagan "Inherit the Wind."
by David 10:16 AM

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 22 May 2017 15:07 (six years ago) link

Kagan:

Although States enjoy leeway to take race-based
actions reasonably judged necessary under a proper interpretation
of the VRA, that latitude cannot rescue District
1. We by no means “insist that a state legislature, when
redistricting, determine precisely what percent minority
population [§2 of the VRA] demands.” Ibid. But neither
will we approve a racial gerrymander whose necessity is
supported by no evidence and whose raison d’être is a legal mistake.

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 22 May 2017 15:07 (six years ago) link

Analysis:

There is a lot of detail but here is my bottom line: This decision by Justice Kagan is a major victory for voting rights plaintiffs, who have succeeded in turning the racial gerrymandering cause of action into an effective tool to go after partisan gerrymanders in Southern states. That Justice Kagan got Justice Thomas not only to vote this way but to sign onto the opinion (giving it precedential value) is a really big deal. Despite what is written in the text of the opinion, Justice Kagan, in a couple of footnotes (footnotes 1 and 7), attempts to solve the race or party problem by moving the Court much closer to the position of treating race and party as proxies for one another in the American South. Points 8 -10 below explains this in detail.

Justice Alito, in his partial dissent for himself, the Chief Justice, and Justice Kennedy, is incensed at the decision, seeing it as inconsistent with the Court’s earlier decision in Easley v. Cromartie. He begins his dissent with: “A precedent of this Court should not be treated like a disposable household item—say, a paper plate or napkin—to be used once and then tossed in the trash. But that is what the Court does today in its decision regarding NorthCarolina’s 12th Congressional District: The Court junks a rule adopted in a prior, remarkably similar challenge to this very same congressional district.”

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 22 May 2017 15:30 (six years ago) link

it's very strange that this is the same court (mostly) that invalidated the Voting Rights Act, but now is consistently concerned about racial disenfranchisement. Huh, if only Congress could pass some law to address that very thing hmmm

Οὖτις, Monday, 22 May 2017 16:21 (six years ago) link

GOP abuse of 1992 amendments to the Voting Rights Act is how we got into this mess (structural disadvantage to Dems, Tea Party control over GOP).

it's just locker room treason (Sanpaku), Monday, 22 May 2017 16:57 (six years ago) link

Kagan (or her clerks most likely) writes rather good legal prose. Her opinion's a model of clarity.

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 22 May 2017 17:01 (six years ago) link

Circuit court nomination issue-- Republicans are gonna get rid of the blue slip rule

Leaders are considering a change to the Senate’s “blue slip” practice, which holds that judicial nominations will not proceed unless the nominee’s home-state senators signal their consent to the Senate Judiciary Committee....Removing the blue-slip obstacle would make it much easier for Trump’s choices to be confirmed. Although Trump and Senate Republicans have clashed early in his presidency, they agree on the importance of putting conservatives on the federal bench.

...Were Republicans snickering in private for six years because Democrats continued to be Boy Scouts during the Obama presidency, respecting the blue-slip rule despite blanket Republican opposition of the kind that Republicans now say will prompt them to kill it? Probably. Was it the right thing to do anyway? I guess I'm still unsure. But it sure doesn't look like it....

...both Bill Clinton and Barack Obama simply gave up nominating judges in states where there were any Republican senators. They would object as a matter of course and their objections would be honored. George Bush, by contrast, continued nominating judges everywhere. Democratic senators sometimes objected, but not always—and Republicans often ignored their objections anyway when they controlled the Senate.

http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2017/05/blue-slip-rule-its-last-legs

quoting
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/courts_law/senate-republicans-consider-changing-custom-that-allows-democrats-to-block-judicial-choices/2017/05/25/d49ea61a-40b1-11e7-9869-bac8b446820a_story.html?utm_term=.1ab864b5fdf2

curmudgeon, Friday, 26 May 2017 16:44 (six years ago) link

they'll probably do it and regret it in a few years, same as with the SC filibuster

Οὖτις, Friday, 26 May 2017 16:54 (six years ago) link

I think the calculation is that federal judges hold lifetime appointments, and they will stuff the courts with young conservatives who'll rule for a generation, enough to suppress any later regrets.

A is for (Aimless), Friday, 26 May 2017 19:36 (six years ago) link

yeah I hate to break it to them but people die all the time

Οὖτις, Friday, 26 May 2017 19:37 (six years ago) link

They have the presidency for four years and control of nominations for that long. There's a shit ton of unfilled judgeships as of today due to their earlier foot dragging and obstructionism. The long term is not of interest to them. Trump may not have much interest or success in nominating to fill administrative political appointments, but the Federalist Society will feed him judge nominees as fast as he can send them to the Senate.

A is for (Aimless), Friday, 26 May 2017 19:42 (six years ago) link

The long term is not of interest to them.

right. Like I said, they'll come to regret it in a few years.

Οὖτις, Friday, 26 May 2017 19:46 (six years ago) link

As recently as a month ago I worried, especially reading a New Yorker article about the vehemence of the Federalist Society funnel, that Trump would comply, but he doesn't seem to give a shit either! If I were a Republican, this is the development that would most astound and infuriate me.

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 26 May 2017 19:49 (six years ago) link

xp In a few years? They probably figure they can come up with a new set of tactics under the new rules, something just as unconscionable as their last set of tactics, but about as effective. Maybe poisoning Democratic nominees?

A is for (Aimless), Friday, 26 May 2017 19:50 (six years ago) link

yeah Trump clearly hates making appointments/doing job interviews

xp

Οὖτις, Friday, 26 May 2017 19:51 (six years ago) link

Maybe poisoning Democratic nominees?

maybe their new buddies at the Kremlin could give them some tips

Οὖτις, Friday, 26 May 2017 19:51 (six years ago) link

Trump clearly hates making appointments/doing job interviews

And yet he loved doing a reality show based around hiring / firing...

leprechaundriac (Ye Mad Puffin), Friday, 26 May 2017 20:02 (six years ago) link

I'm sure it was always the firing people that attracted him. First, it's a stark assertion of power in a way that hiring is not. Second, good hiring requires a working understanding of other humans, but firing only requires a simplistic dissatisfaction, for any reason or for no reason.

A is for (Aimless), Friday, 26 May 2017 20:07 (six years ago) link

The Senate acted Thursday on Trump’s first appeals-court nomination, elevating U.S. District Judge Amul Thapar of Kentucky to the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 6th Circuit, which covers Kentucky, Michigan, Ohio and Tennessee. Thapar was confirmed 52 to 44 on a party-line vote, with four Democrats not voting. Thapar’s nomination did not raise blue-slip concerns, because both of Kentucky’s senators are Republican and Thapar is a favorite of Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.).

They got this one through, and they're gonna get a lot more through I think. Trump doesn't have to interview every one of them.

curmudgeon, Friday, 26 May 2017 20:14 (six years ago) link

no but he does have to actually nominate them

Οὖτις, Friday, 26 May 2017 20:15 (six years ago) link

Posted this on June 17 Trump thread , but might be more relevant here

We're doomed--Despite federal job positions sitting vacant, 45 is moving faster on judicial nominations

https://newrepublic.com/article/143227/trumps-judicial-picks-keeping-republicans-happyand-quiet

David Dayen article and his tweet-- Trump nominating judges at 3x the rate of Obama at this point in 1st term

The right-wing Federalist Society had a list all ready for Trump and he has basically outsourced vetting to them. Obama took a long time in 2009 selecting and vetting names without having a liberal equivalent of the federalist Society he was willing to use and trust. Plus Obama was hurt by Senatorial blue-slip rules (allowing republicans to block possible nominees) and Obama's own desire to be centrist

Federalist Society executive vice-president Leonard Leo has effectively chosen the last three Republican Supreme Court nominees. And the group was essential in constructing lists of acceptable judges for Trump to choose from, along with the stalwart think tank, the Heritage Foundation. Other groups, like the Judicial Crisis Network, focus heavily on judges as well.

This architecture is much more brittle on the left. While the American Constitutional Society was created specifically as a counterweight to the Federalist Society, the network hasn’t gained nearly the same influence. Additional funding of liberal judicial groups might help,

curmudgeon, Saturday, 10 June 2017 18:02 (six years ago) link

The Supreme Court declared Monday that it will consider whether gerrymandered election maps favoring one political party over another violate the Constitution, a potentially fundamental change in the way American elections are conducted.

The justices regularly are called to invalidate state electoral maps that have been illegally drawn to reduce the influence of racial minorities by depressing the impact of their votes.

But the Supreme Court has never found a plan unconstitutional because of partisan gerrymandering. If it does, it would have a revolutionary impact on the reapportionment that comes after the 2020 election and could come at the expense of Republicans, who control the process in the majority of states.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/courts_law/supreme-court-to-hear-potentially-landmark-case-on-partisan-gerrymandering/2017/06/19/d525237e-5435-11e7-b38e-35fd8e0c288f_story.html?utm_term=.64f7c4fa4332

Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Monday, 19 June 2017 15:58 (six years ago) link

don't worry gorsuch will save us all

marcos, Monday, 19 June 2017 15:59 (six years ago) link

this one is gonna be interesting

Οὖτις, Monday, 19 June 2017 15:59 (six years ago) link

of course, there's nothing in the Constitution about parties so

Οὖτις, Monday, 19 June 2017 15:59 (six years ago) link

Founders did not know how to party

Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Monday, 19 June 2017 16:01 (six years ago) link

Chris Hayes alluded to this on Twitter yesterday. ugh.

http://thehill.com/homenews/news/339314-kennedy-considering-retiring-from-supreme-court-reports

constitutional crises they fly at u face (will), Saturday, 24 June 2017 17:16 (six years ago) link

This has been swirling for a few weeks. Certainly could happen.

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 24 June 2017 17:18 (six years ago) link

welp bye bye Roe i guess

constitutional crises they fly at u face (will), Saturday, 24 June 2017 17:19 (six years ago) link

Eh maybe

Οὖτις, Saturday, 24 June 2017 17:34 (six years ago) link

maybe democrats should just pull the tried and true GOP-in-2016 move and refuse to confirm anyone. after all, it's practically time for the mid-terms and once we reach that point, you gotta round up to 2020. let the people speak.

Karl Malone, Saturday, 24 June 2017 19:16 (six years ago) link


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