Hey, let me drunkenly animate your photos in about 25 to 60 days!

thanks for dropping in silby! (i think that was you?) sorry i didn't say hello but since i plan on doing this for another 399 1-hour sessions i'm trying to do it the same way every time, and i didn't want to set the precedent of chatting back with anyone. it is a very lonely twitch experience

but also a lot of fun to do! the bic wite-out is just crappy enough to use that every edit requires a lot of attention (at least for me - i'm terrible at manual things) and the possibility of a major fuckup is always around the corner!

Awesome <3

What music were you playing for this daunting yet exciting task?

it's a new 60-minute version of an old chance-based song i recorded in 2013, not long after i learned about cage and morton feltman and wanted to be a copycat. each page will take me a little under an hour to complete, and i wanted to use original music since i think twitch goes through everyone's old videos and mutes the audio whenever it's copyrighted.

It's great, and fits the introspective character of your endeavor perfectly imho. Funny that you made it in 2013, because by some coincidental cross ilx reading, I saw you really dig the new Alice Coltrane comp - same here - and thought that was what got you in the mood to make this music. The meditative nature of it really reminded me of that.

oh, thank you, that's great! i love alice coltrane, and i'm so glad in some ways that i didn't learn about her ashram recordings until relatively recently, because they're like finding a mountain on top of a mountain.

the original 8-minute version is here: https://soundcloud.com/weinventyou/indeterminate - i might end up switching back to that version at some point because it's probably more suitably meditative to match the project!

i hope i can make it all the way through this book. it's going to take a while. although, even if i die of old age halfway through the process, at least the book would survive and some asshole teenager in the early 22nd century might stumble upon it in the ruins, see the first 1/3 of the pages meticulously dotted with Wite-Out, and be weirded out for a moment before beaming herself back up into whatever bizarre universe exists at the time. that would make it all worth it.

on to pg 2 i go. and possibly even pg 3. big day!

Thanks for the original version, I love it. And you've got the right attitude towards this imho. If you can ditch the 'have to finish it' urge you're on the right path. Terrible cliche but it's about the journey not the destination. It's about sitting down and finding peace of mind to do this. I wonder where your thoughts wander when doing this. And admire it for the zen-like exercise that it is. It should not be about any more than that (though admittedly, the asshole teenager finding would be a bonus).

http://68.media.tumblr.com/71e15b7635682ea2b9bd9ff7165b84e9/tumblr_opnswm3KJG1qdmmiqo1_500.gif
http://68.media.tumblr.com/a16e1108eee19b3ec3c118a3f99a7aa6/tumblr_oq9pr7B6yT1qdmmiqo1_500.gif
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i know this doesn't look like much but i'm really excited about it:

http://i.imgur.com/fFRgMuM.jpg

this is a quick mockup for a projection. it's hard to explain but it'll be sort of like the staircase waterfall projection from a few months back, where there's an ideal viewing angle where everything appears in perspective. the twist with this one is that there will be an outer surface of wood (which the black "rug" and beams are painted onto) to mess with the perspective a bit more. then i'm going to rip off the lightning field and place it in a position where the sunset will change the way it looks throughout the day and by night leave it as just these glowing beams in the room, lighting up the wooden outer surface of it a bit as well. or at least i think that's how it will go at this point. i'm pretty excited try it out. i've been working on a bunch of long-term things recently, but this should be a pretty quick thing to make assuming i can roll my sad ass out the door and pick up the materials

sounds interesting!

yeah, i think it will be!

i'm thinking there will be two versions, both of which look something like this from a certain perspective:

http://i.imgur.com/Vj14VWi.jpg

The first would be 3D with a black box placed on top of the wood surface. The second would be a flat version, painted so that it looks identical to the first when looking at it from a similar perspective. if all goes well i will be timelapsing this shit sometime in june

actually more like this:

https://68.media.tumblr.com/b9c7a63a57631f83daaede8cf5d2370a/tumblr_oqjn9ivoW11qdmmiqo1_500.jpg

i am animating the trenchant fidget spinner meme "modern human" at https://www.twitch.tv/weinventyou if you want to see how i bumble around while making these things. watching someone do dumb things can be strangely inspiring

there was a taco bell commershil!

are you serious?

well i am sponsored by taco bell

also i just realized i accidentally left up my weird autochatbot message to people from my painting zero shit, which tells people that i won't respond to them in the chat channel and other assorted info related to wtf is going on. oops.

u sgh know!

http://12160.info/profiles/blogs/illuminati-sun-symbolism-fast-food-logos

u sgh know!

one of my favorite sigur ros lyrics!

"Plus, he looks like the known pedophile, GHWB."

dastor!

i am really out of it, i think

Kinda like a cloud I was up way up in the sky
And I was feeling some feelings you wouldn't believe
Sometimes I don't believe them myself
And I decided I was never coming down
Just then a tiny little dot caught my eye
It was just about too small to see
But I watched it way too long
That dot was pulling me down
I was up above it
I was up above it
I was up above it
I was up above it
Now I'm down in it
Shut up

silly epilogue to my whiny boing boing image attribution issue upthread: they just used it as the header image again
http://boingboing.net/2017/05/31/fake-news-is-the-enemy.html

i don't even care, i'm glad they like it. it would just be so nice to get an image credit, even though they don't do that (and even though they claim that they usually do, when they never do for anyone)

ok, i guess i do sorta care, lamely. to overshare, i made the switch to doing this shit full time a few months ago and i can't get a commission, a residency, a reply to any email, nothing, just failure after failure as my bank account runs out and i start to wonder if i've actually really truly lost it, if i need help, is this normal behavior, etc. relatives who know about it don't even bring it up because they know it's going to be a fucking awful conversation. these boing boing kind of events are forgettable in isolation but they keep piling up everywhere, these near misses, constantly. like a few hours ago i posted the stupid fidgetspinner guy on my facebook page and for once, some massive facebook group i've never heard of ("space junkies - PAGE") with over 200,000 followers picked up on it and shared it on their own page and lots of those people are resharing it...but they scrubbed my name and link to my facebook page off of it, so clicking the link only takes you to the direct giphy .gif file, with no attribution. it happens frequently enough that you can't even blame the people doing it, it's just how the internet is, everything gets anonymized and you get used to noticing that someone reposted your image on a different platform 3 years later with the description "thanks internet". i'm not even trying to make a fair living off of this, i am trying desperately to scrape by a sub-sub-poverty level of compensation for all this and i'm not even coming close. fuuuuuuuuck.

sorry, had to vent. i'm just really struggling right now, trying to make my "job" line up to any degree whatsoever with my personal interests. i'm not even hoping for good things, just barely acceptable, anything

oh, and can i overshare the most single pathetic feeling?

they scrubbed my name and link to my facebook page off of it, so clicking the link only takes you to the direct giphy .gif file, with no attribution.

it's choosing to comment on this post "Hey, thanks for sharing my GIF! I have lots of other animations on my page if you want to take a look!"

i mean punch me in the fucking face it's just over

i regret posting all that already. i need to get outside. here is a view of outside

http://68.media.tumblr.com/ff2bf3fba22aaadc47aeef861a790be1/tumblr_oqu201Uikh1qdmmiqo1_500.gif

did you create the spinny guy in chains? i just saw that on my friends instagram and wondered if it was ILX's own Karl

er, not in chains, in the spinny thing, whatever it is kids are into these days

I spun that spinner

lol amazing! i guess there is nothing you can do to stop people from sharing that on social media. but fuck boing boing for just straight using your GIF as a header image w no credit.

i feel your pain wrt getting paid for your art though. i used to make music videos freelance and stopped entirely because people were either doing it themselves or doing it for free and i was having a hard time charging anything. i pretty much gave up completely.

i made the switch to doing this shit full time a few months ago

Just seen this - brave move, ZS! I think trying to make money online is probably pointless, but yeah, exhibitions and commissions might do something for you if you can sell yourself somehow. Is there any equivalent to Arts Council funding in the US?

Also, if I ever had any money I would totally commission you to do a gif-based music video.

I'm bummed and sadly not surprised to hear how tough it is to make anything resembling a living making the kind of work you do. The art world and the internet are both pretty brutal markets that too often undervalue the good stuff and reward pablum. My girlfriend sometimes does freelance illustration work (thankfully she has a decent dayjob that allows her to not have to rely on her art but enough free time to have a steady practice) and sending constant cease and desist emails definitely takes an emotional toll on her. She has one piece that has been blatantly ripped off for profit so many times that she just avoids looking in that corner of the internet because it wreaks havoc on her stomach. For whatever it's worth, your difficulties have nothing to do with the quality of your work (which is fucking first class, imo) but everything to do with capitalism being the absolute worst.

xpost TLDR: what emil.y said.

ZSKarl, if you point me to a Patreon I will pay you four dollars a month to keep being you. Also, have you ever considered working for the government?

AT LEAST four dollars a month I should say

i would back a zs patreon. i imagine you could likely get a hundred bucks a month off ilx alone... that's like 10 sandwiches!

I would back a zs patron

thank you. you all are really kind and supportive and i take that for granted way too often. i had kind of a clear moment the other day and realized that i am depressed again and have been for quite a while, and that while i used to be able to append the "functional-" prefix to most of my issues, the sadness and just the weight of being awake has started to overwhelm the ability that i once had to cope and push through it. have about 5 larger projects going and have spent tons of time thinking and working on them all, but i have been unable to make myself finish any of them. there is this big gap between what i know i should do vs what i can make myself do. so, i think a lot of my issues and complaining and general dread of living for the last several months have grown from the same rotten root. i'm going to try to work on it.

tomboto i have to admit i've thought about it before but other than my fear of being one of those patreon accounts with 3 supporters that quietly ends with an apology note after 70 days, i would also want to have something really cool and unique that i could offer to supporters that they couldn't get elsewhere, and i don't know what that is. but also it's just all too plausible to imagine that the only people that would chip in would be my sister and really nice people on ilx, whereas i would actually love to only take money from strangers and do things for friends for free, always. there's some weird hybrid of puritanical self-reliance bullshit in my brain's situation room that makes me turn away from taking physical compensation from friends or family, like it feels painful even though it should just feel supportive. again, like that cognitive gap i mentioned above, i know the thought is wrong and why, but i can't make myself stop believing in it.

bluuuuuurgh! so really i just need to finish a goddamn project and get at least a fucking part time job

Would support.

For those of us working jobs whose creativity is limited, the idea of using some of the money earned to increase the amount of stuff in the world which enriches us outside of work is a no-brainer. I buy my friends' art, I see my friends' movies, I buy my friends' music, let me support your stuff too.

UBI4ZS2017

Your gifs bring me such indescribable joy every time I take mushrooms that it's honestly kinda criminal that I haven't paid you yet.

ha!! that is really funny, thanks for sharing that. hope i never freaked you the fuck out! and MatthewK, that is a good argument. i will think about it. my sense is that successful patreons are usually tied to some sort of specific kind of project or outcome, or at least a nice reward for a certain subscription level. whereas right i'm usually working on a hodgepodge of barely related things - a projection installation, GIFs, a weirdass video short, this motion sensor/raspberry pi/video loop thing i spent forever working on and then haven't touched for weeks, painting every goddamn zero in a book of random of digits. i'd like to think that it would work but i think the only uniting theme in the last few dozen things i've pursued is that at one time or another i've thought "see, the cool thing about this is that it's the complete opposite of what you would expect to succeed!", and the strategy seems to work as well as hitting on 19 does in blackjack. i'd like to be able to do something special and unique for someone who is willing to chip in. maybe i could turn back time to ILX 2008 and offer to make gifs out of people's photos or something?

at any rate, thank you all for picking me up a little bit here and sorry for continuous oversharing and bleakness. i'm gonna try to think of the possibilities here instead of obsessing over all the reasons it won't work.

You need to get on with bloomberg imo

i'm animating laura palmer

or trying to

Sucks having to delete every other frame.. Enjoyed that! You don't talk too much imo :) Great to see the master at work.

btw for reference I'm the guy with a coffee grinder account name

my wife got home and i got really embarrassed and turned the sound off

this turn out the way i intended, but that's pretty much how it always goes!

https://68.media.tumblr.com/75db8f3ba4b551188959ad6a61c56c50/tumblr_or3qx3zyTK1qdmmiqo1_500.gif

dude you're doing your online art thing, it's career development!

lol

maybe i can write all this off on my taxes somehow

this ^did not^ turn out the way i intended, i meant

https://68.media.tumblr.com/858802451511bb3467775853b9250b67/tumblr_orlvym80rW1qdmmiqo2_500.gif
https://68.media.tumblr.com/1b736eefd0cf0ea7e665124c40827474/tumblr_ormgapsgqH1qdmmiqo2_400.gif
https://68.media.tumblr.com/e67df195da3a949748d562eff3e57616/tumblr_ormgddLPBT1qdmmiqo1_500.gif

playing around with photoshop selection lines has been fun because selecting anything creates an 8-frame animation. i kept swinging and missing here but i feel like there's something really neat you could do with it.

calming

^^ really.

KM, have you put any further thought into a Patreon thingy? I cannot tell you how fucking pissed off I still am abt BoingBoing stealing yr gif. You so not deserve to live in a world where most creative things are being compensated, however poorly at times, but images and 'lol gifs' on Teh Internetz seem to be excluded from this ethos entirely.

I would take to the streets demanding credit and $$$ where it's due for talented people like yourself. Please don't give up on your dream.