Trump, May 2017: 100 days of [unintelligible]

tbh: I actually don't know how Social Security works

i usually really value you folks' insight on most other things but your assessment of 'the kids' is so off base i'm second guessing myself

― global tetrahedron, Friday, May 5, 2017 7:21 AM (forty seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

idk i grew up in nevada and visit often, i've met a LOT of young libertarians. but if i'm wrong and they're all hardcore leftists then i guess fine

fwiw in France the pharmacies require that the drugs be prescribed by a doctor, unless you're wearing a beret and can mime the prescription. then it's free pills.

i suppose i'm skewed too because i'm a young person living in minneapolis

Is there a thread about healthcare around the world?

one of the benefits of living in Washington DC means that my family and I will not have to put up with the post-apocalypse at all.

I'll be a permanent part of it
Noo Yawk Nooooooooo Yawk

Very few of the under-40 people I know who call themselves libertarians really support libertarian economics - they strike me mostly as Clinton Democrats who are more pro-drugs/guns and use libertarian to express a dissatisfaction with a seemingly non-responsive political system.

Libertarian economics are the domain of straight-ticket Republicans IME

Are there really places where prescriptions don't need to be filled by a doctor, regardless of who's paying?? I mean, I gather that you can get prescriptions without this in India if you're friends with the pharmacist or slip them enough rupees but I just put that down to the way everything customarily works.

In Mexico (even in upscale parts of Puerto Vallarta) the farmacias freely sell most meds (including Xanax), though they required a prescription for Adderall. Don't know if they're doing something illegal or in a gray area.

"people I know" is never a good barometer for anything because there are a lot of people with very different values and experiences than me that I never interact with

true

they strike me mostly as Clinton Democrats who are more pro-drugs/guns and use libertarian to express a dissatisfaction with a seemingly non-responsive political system

also true in my experience

and they don't like taxes despite not paying any

and few have a stake in the system yet

in France you need a prescrip from a doctor but it can be filled anywhere

Very few of the under-40 people I know who call themselves libertarians really support libertarian economics - they strike me mostly as Clinton Democrats who are more pro-drugs/guns and use libertarian to express a dissatisfaction with a seemingly non-responsive political system.

Libertarian economics are the domain of straight-ticket Republicans IME

― El Tuomasbot (milo z), Friday, May 5, 2017 9:31 AM (fourteen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

That's also my experience here in Texas, although I do see a grasp of economics that begins and ends with "Taxation Is Theft". These people really got into Bitcoin.

An exception is this woman I work with. She recently very nearly finished grad school in economics, identifies as Libertarian, but in the two years I've known her went from one who was 'too smart' for politics and claimed to have never voted ("...and never will!") to actively hateing Sanders and getting seriously in the tank for Johnson.

i think i was one of them for a long time until suddenly i wasn't.

same

crut otm re "ppl i know" not being the best barometer. like you, global, i was a young person living in minneapolis and to judge from my friend group it would have been easy to think everyone in the world was a queer hardcore lefty

but having grown up in rural minnesota, and also lived as a young person in colorado, montana, and new hampshire, i can tell you that youth=left doesn't always work

It is sometimes fun to imagine a country where all the young people are like the student body at the New England liberal arts college from which I am typing.

I take it no one in this thread is familiar with the shorthand "libertarians = Republicans who smoke pot"?

i think i may have posted this here before, but maybe not:

a friend of mine from HS who definitely identifies as a real-deal misesian libertarian (and is under 40) also said in a FB discussion that he would've voted for Sanders in the general election

his rationale was that bernie's ~values~ aligned with his (very christian in a "the meek shall inherit the earth" kinda way) and that ~if~ we are to suffer the violence of taxation, corporations and the very wealthy should be taxed the most. ~if~ we are resigned to government interference in our healthcare system, then it should at least be designed to serve everyone equally and provide everyone access

ANECDOTALLY I see a lot of young people (mostly via the Weird Appalachia group on FB) who were Sanders supporters and have now rallied around the slogan of "cornbread communism" -- as a group they tend to be white, rural, often queer, & more likely to own guns than your average Dem voter. They really like movies and books about labor history. While most outspoken about the need for class analysis, they also seem capable of taking to heart accusations that they are engaged in "class reductionism" or neglecting the "lived experiences" of poc.

xp gbx your friend sounds NUTS

It is sometimes fun to imagine a country where all the young people are like the student body at the New England liberal arts college from which I am typing.

― My Body's Made of Crushed Little Evening Stars (Sund4r), Friday, May 5, 2017 10:05 AM (thirty seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i am also sitting on the campus of a liberal arts college in new england (maybe the same one????) and idk -- if remade in the image of this particular institution (Fartmouth) the world would look....exactly like the community in which it resides

xp he...kinda is?

he was how i first learned about the Rapture...because some of his family believed in it. this was while we were in the basement of his house painting warhammer miniatures and around the time we found his dad's porno stash in the garage

he now has a passel of kids and appears to be raising them in some sort of archery-based offshoot of evangelical christianity (not kidding: he's really into the k1cking b3ar ministry..google it up)

"libertarians = Republicans who smoke pot"?

ie Grandchildren of PJ O'Rourke

archery-based offshoot of evangelical christianity

lol/sob

William F. Buckley had no problem with rich people smoking pot in their yachts in international waters

So glad we've moved away from generalizing endlessly about the disgruntled white working class! We're now instead exploring what lessons we can learn by nailing down the politics of:

1. White rural queers who read a lot about labor history
2. Christian fans of archery and obscure Austrian economists
3. Liberal-arts students in New England
4. Bitcoin-loving Texans
5. Pot-smoking yachtsmen

This line of thinking will surely lead us toward electoral victory

FDA TVs now required to show FOX News all the time.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C_EitMVW0AU7ODZ.jpg

I am looking at Ye Mad Puffin's list and singing "These are the whites I know, I know" KITH-style to myself

based on people I know, all young people are trans queer anarchist software developers who vape weed

also, furries

These are the people in your neighborhood, the people that you meet each day

archery-based offshoot of evangelical christianity

oh man, I have a friend from college who was married to a man who wholesale bought into this and she was enthusiastic until something broke and divorced him before having a zillion kids. I think they made it to three kids before she cracked.

oh wait, you meant _actual archery_ wtf

I assumed it was a quiv3rfull movement ref

i am also sitting on the campus of a liberal arts college in new england (maybe the same one????) and idk -- if remade in the image of this particular institution (Fartmouth) the world would look....exactly like the community in which it resides

Different school/state but... 85% blue then?

Btw, my reference to New England LAC students was meant as a joke about the risks of generalizing on the basis of people in your immediate surroundings.

archery-based offshoot of evangelical christianity

lol I spent my childhood deep in the archery scene (my dad was national champ + olympic coach) and I met a fair number of doomsday cultists

ahhhhhhh my b, sund4r

Bow control is the new gun control

"You can pry this bow from my cold dead hands (and even worse, have you seen my calluses?)"

Jesus strikes me as a crossbow man.

Or one of these
http://www.pyramydair.com/s/m/Benjamin_Pioneer_Airbow/3894

Big win in the House - very exciting! But when everything comes together with the inclusion of Phase 2, we will have truly great healthcare!

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) May 5, 2017

He's calling getting it through the Senate 'Phase 2'? Is Phase 4 when the hyperintelligent ants invade?

so does he get control of the death panels now or what?

Yes, and he will staff them with Omarosa, Gary Busey, and Trace Adkins.

I thought prescription inherently relied on a pre written script from the doctor validating your right to the drugs you needed. Otherwise it would just be commercial sale.
& further to that it indicates a further network of understanding where the sales point was prohibited from selling those medicines and devices without validation from a figure of authority like a medical proffessional. Also that that network ensured to some extent the quality of treatment and medicines allowed to be distributed.

i would be very surprised if you could go to the store and just buy eg antibiotics anywhere in europe. it would be profoundly Bad with very few exceptions

It is sometimes fun to imagine a country where all the young people are like the student body at the New England liberal arts college from which I am typing.

I demand more explicit universe-building in this vein

It is sometimes fun to imagine a country where all the young people are like the student body at the New England liberal arts college from which I am typing.

isn't this the usual thinking of the student body at a New England liberal arts college

Delighted to see my congressman head the NYT's list of most endangered Republicans.