Trump, May 2017: 100 days of [unintelligible]

the same oddly reassuring thought has occurred to me about my proximity to a nuclear submarine base here in bonny scotland

Not waiting to hear the CBO assessment of the outcome of that bill being passed isn't going to effect the supposed legitimacy of that bill passing is it? Is that too much of a dream?
I'm assuming that there will be mass protest this weekend though not sure if that's too soon to organise marches or anything. Or were such things already pencilled in as worst case scenario.

even on edgy fyre-festival-style islands far from the blast centre those packs of feral yet patient dogs/pigs will be swift enough i think

xp

id say we'll be fine in the hollow beneath minaun

Really the GOP crowing was all about "we didn't embarrass ourselves quite as badly this time by moving forward without sufficient votes." Unfortunately that's not the way it's been spun and reported - it's reported and spun as MAJOR VICTORY FOR TRUMP. As noted, many low-info folks will hear the fireworks and take it to mean "Trump repealed Obamacare."

Obviously the CBO will skewer the House bill, the Senate will write its own thing, they'll go into conference and bicker back and forth. I wish it weren't even possible for something signable to come out of this process, but it seems 75% likely that something eventually will. It certainly won't be what the Freedom Friers wanted, but it will still be plenty bad enough.

fake CBO

what's gonna happen is that the senate is gonna gut the bill and what comes out of it will be similar enough to obamacare (worse, but not in the stupidly obvious ways the house bill was). the trumpkins will remember these headlines and all of of a sudden have a much higher opinion of their health insurance than before, even though they're getting the same insurance as before (if not worse).

in other news

hoo boy https://t.co/OV81LXFJuS pic.twitter.com/jdbAnV6zwz

— Jamelle Bouie (@jbouie) May 5, 2017

can we poll these:

A Michigan woman:

“Obama is more like your best friend who has parties and has Beyoncé over, and then Trump is like your dad. He's going to come whoop your ass because you didn't do what you were supposed to do and get it done, yeah.”

Trump needs "Daddy Lessons."

so sick of my best friends having beyonce over

xpost

https://media.giphy.com/media/KZw668D6xlXI4/giphy.gif

xp I get how that sounds, but if the median Republican's viewpoint on race were that of "Wisconsin woman" we would be a hell of a lot better off than we are.

The word "socialist" doesn't stir Cold War reflexes among most Millennials. Perhaps once half of that cohort passes 40 (around 2025), we can have a healthcare safety net. Or it may take till half the Boomers are dead (around 2035).

"Socialist" doesn't scare Millennials, but in my totally anecdotal experience there is at least as much enthusiasm for "Libertarian." Growing up steeped in post-Reagan gubmint-is-the-problem rhetoric has had a lasting effect. I find a lot of suspicion of government in general there, a lot of sympathy for the idea that there are "too many rules" (e.g., why do I have to comply with these annoying fire regulations when I'm building the microbrewery of my dreams).

"Thats another thing I dont get. You cant just go to any doc you like, and then any chemists you like?

― Stoop Crone (Trayce),"

If you have insurance, you do best to go to a doctor who is in your insurance plan. If you don't have insurance, you go to whoever will see you if you can pay for their services. Pharmacies: you can go to pretty much any one you want to. Prescriptions in the US need to be filed by doctors though, you can't just go to the pharmacy for a prescription medication and have them do it like you can in Europe (or maybe Australia)

that's pretty anecdotal xp. you live in colorado or something? literally everyone i know/associate with is in the bernie/warren wing or leftier

you don't have to get prescriptions from doctors in europe?!?

man

free pills, sexy commercials, a new kind of money that they named after themselves

they've really got it all

There are certain medications that have to be ordered through certain pharmacies e.g. Express Scripts

ok i'm back off europe

Growing up steeped in post-Reagan gubmint-is-the-problem rhetoric has had a lasting effect. I find a lot of suspicion of government in general there, a lot of sympathy for the idea that there are "too many rules" (e.g., why do I have to comply with these annoying fire regulations when I'm building the microbrewery of my dreams)

i'd agree with this -- i think there's a strong streak of libertarianism running through people who might otherwise self-identify as "liberal" or "progressive," even

that's pretty anecdotal xp. you live in colorado or something? literally everyone i know/associate with is in the bernie/warren wing or leftier

― global tetrahedron, Friday, May 5, 2017 6:15 AM (twenty-three minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

anecdotally nevada and colorado are super libertarian, though this last election millennials in nevada under that description tended to align with sanders

again that's all very anecdotal

I've seen a lot of self-described libertarians in my age group support Sanders and what that tells me it's less important for these people to have a coherent political ideology than it is to be anti-establishment and/or "different"

well that's libertarian ethos for you

millennial libertarianism among people you'd hope would be more ideologically left is also a product of just general privilege, and i think also of having a lot of the defining political causes they grew up with be, or be presented as, effectively devoid of class analysis. government trying to censor your video games, government trying to impose the ten commandments, government trying to block same-sex marriage. lots of space for middle-class teenaged white kids with their hearts in the right place to despise the government. i think i was one of them for a long time until suddenly i wasn't. not sure if it was reading the reagan-trashing sleepwalking through history in high school or what.

it's less important for these people to have a coherent political ideology than it is to be anti-establishment and/or "different"

then why is their music so shit

different in a way that people will think that they're special, not different in a way that would actually change anything

I was required to read Ayn Rand's Anthem in ninth grade

We're talking about EDM right

"libertarianism is astrology for men" is one of the more eternal tweets I have read

Yeah what Dr. Casino is saying is in line w/what I've encountered (I'm in a red state, which I'm sure is part of it). Plenty of 20-somethings who support gay rights and health care for all but at the same time say things like "I'm not political" (becz political is bad) and don't seem to have any real grounding in history or grasp of how, say, Social Security works. Which doesn't mean there isn't some fertile ground there from a left perspective, I just wouldn't take it for granted.

i usually really value you folks' insight on most other things but your assessment of 'the kids' is so off base i'm second guessing myself

tbh: I actually don't know how Social Security works

i usually really value you folks' insight on most other things but your assessment of 'the kids' is so off base i'm second guessing myself

― global tetrahedron, Friday, May 5, 2017 7:21 AM (forty seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

idk i grew up in nevada and visit often, i've met a LOT of young libertarians. but if i'm wrong and they're all hardcore leftists then i guess fine

fwiw in France the pharmacies require that the drugs be prescribed by a doctor, unless you're wearing a beret and can mime the prescription. then it's free pills.

i suppose i'm skewed too because i'm a young person living in minneapolis

Is there a thread about healthcare around the world?

one of the benefits of living in Washington DC means that my family and I will not have to put up with the post-apocalypse at all.

I'll be a permanent part of it
Noo Yawk Nooooooooo Yawk

Very few of the under-40 people I know who call themselves libertarians really support libertarian economics - they strike me mostly as Clinton Democrats who are more pro-drugs/guns and use libertarian to express a dissatisfaction with a seemingly non-responsive political system.

Libertarian economics are the domain of straight-ticket Republicans IME

Are there really places where prescriptions don't need to be filled by a doctor, regardless of who's paying?? I mean, I gather that you can get prescriptions without this in India if you're friends with the pharmacist or slip them enough rupees but I just put that down to the way everything customarily works.

In Mexico (even in upscale parts of Puerto Vallarta) the farmacias freely sell most meds (including Xanax), though they required a prescription for Adderall. Don't know if they're doing something illegal or in a gray area.

"people I know" is never a good barometer for anything because there are a lot of people with very different values and experiences than me that I never interact with

true

they strike me mostly as Clinton Democrats who are more pro-drugs/guns and use libertarian to express a dissatisfaction with a seemingly non-responsive political system

also true in my experience

and they don't like taxes despite not paying any

and few have a stake in the system yet

in France you need a prescrip from a doctor but it can be filled anywhere

Very few of the under-40 people I know who call themselves libertarians really support libertarian economics - they strike me mostly as Clinton Democrats who are more pro-drugs/guns and use libertarian to express a dissatisfaction with a seemingly non-responsive political system.

Libertarian economics are the domain of straight-ticket Republicans IME

― El Tuomasbot (milo z), Friday, May 5, 2017 9:31 AM (fourteen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

That's also my experience here in Texas, although I do see a grasp of economics that begins and ends with "Taxation Is Theft". These people really got into Bitcoin.

An exception is this woman I work with. She recently very nearly finished grad school in economics, identifies as Libertarian, but in the two years I've known her went from one who was 'too smart' for politics and claimed to have never voted ("...and never will!") to actively hateing Sanders and getting seriously in the tank for Johnson.

i think i was one of them for a long time until suddenly i wasn't.

same

crut otm re "ppl i know" not being the best barometer. like you, global, i was a young person living in minneapolis and to judge from my friend group it would have been easy to think everyone in the world was a queer hardcore lefty

but having grown up in rural minnesota, and also lived as a young person in colorado, montana, and new hampshire, i can tell you that youth=left doesn't always work

It is sometimes fun to imagine a country where all the young people are like the student body at the New England liberal arts college from which I am typing.