Trump, May 2017: 100 days of [unintelligible]

I pointed out the Australian health care analogy a couple hours ago

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The word "socialist" doesn't stir Cold War reflexes among most Millennials. Perhaps once half of that cohort passes 40 (around 2025), we can have a healthcare safety net. Or it may take till half the Boomers are dead (around 2035).

last year i was unable to afford health care with the subsidies provided, so i had to go without care and was fined a hefty $700 added onto my year-end taxes.

to be fair, even our system does this, to an extent. Anyone over 30 who earns more than $88k a year has to pay a medicare levy at tax time, if they havent at least taken out basic hopsital cover. Its to reduce the strain on the public system. Wether it does that or not I dont know, wait times here can be long for certain things (hip replacements, etc) but you know, you wont get sent home to fucking die if you get cancer and dont have a job.

And I wont ever pay more than $30something dollars for any prescription medication, regardless of what it is (theres a tiny amount of exceptions, but theyd be insanely expensive/obscure meds)

The US is kind enough to let the drug companies gouge Americans enough to subsidize the cost for the rest of the world

^^^ allowing this was integral to passing the ACA

Oh the US tried to pull that shit on us, too - thats what the Trans Pacific Partnership would have allowed. Thats the only good thing Trump tore up.

i just am getting over bronchitis and i paid $55 for an inhaler because i haven't hit my deductible yet.

One of my tbi meds is $320 a month, but the maker has a coupon for those with private insurance, no govt stuff, for "$3 per pill." So $90, so grateful. $2k/yr is not nothing. An actual coupon.

does it have that dotted line around it for where you cut

Do you guys have access to generics whenever you ask?

Like basically, yeah. I will check next time. Once you file it, it's online for you for 12 months tho. It wasn't so easy to even learn about it at first. So weird wrong and backwards.

In my experience decent pharmacys will both: 1) offer the generic; 2) let you if there's any coupons; and 3) because I'm in NYC, deliver.

Of course to find a decent pharmacy you need a decent doctor and for a decent doctor you need decent insurance

Thats another thing I dont get. You cant just go to any doc you like, and then any chemists you like?

Sorry this is all rather OT I know.

you can if you're rich. that's america!

when pushing for single payer americans will not be asked if they like "socialism" they will be asked if they like "medicare".

I just remembered the time that Momus said 'Tracer is a Progressive'.

(It's something I like to remember sometimes! :D)

i have no memory of that! was it typed in the withering tone i'm imagining?

We talked about it at a later date, Tracer, and it greatly amused you, which also made me happy!

It was on a thread where people said 'This is my political position' and everyone said something like 'a mixture of anarchism and libertarian socialism', and then someone said 'Y'all are just liberals'.

Then I think Momus went through various posters describing what he thought they were, and he finally said: 'Tracer is a Progressive'. Almost as though you were a member of a Progressive Party from 1905.

that is lovely. lovely enough to compensate for my worry that i am now losing my memories of things i wd quite like to remember :/

dude you don't know the half of it yet :|

To be fair, I'm not sure the ilx archives remember it either. I can't find that thread anymore.

closet conservatives on ilx

^^^here it is

Well done Mark!

Sorry that the 'progressive' does not in fact come with a capital P.

August 2005!

i see north korea is accusing the cia of a plot to kill kim jong-un with 'biochemical subtances'

welp, it's been a pleasure posting with y'all, may you all be killed outright in the initial strikes rather than dying a lingering death from radiation poisoning

Good [unintelligible]!

BG was kinda making a joke there, but I have thought on multiple occasions, while dead sober and with calm acceptance, that one of the benefits of living in Washington DC means that my family and I will not have to put up with the post-apocalypse at all.

the same oddly reassuring thought has occurred to me about my proximity to a nuclear submarine base here in bonny scotland

Not waiting to hear the CBO assessment of the outcome of that bill being passed isn't going to effect the supposed legitimacy of that bill passing is it? Is that too much of a dream?
I'm assuming that there will be mass protest this weekend though not sure if that's too soon to organise marches or anything. Or were such things already pencilled in as worst case scenario.

even on edgy fyre-festival-style islands far from the blast centre those packs of feral yet patient dogs/pigs will be swift enough i think

xp

id say we'll be fine in the hollow beneath minaun

Really the GOP crowing was all about "we didn't embarrass ourselves quite as badly this time by moving forward without sufficient votes." Unfortunately that's not the way it's been spun and reported - it's reported and spun as MAJOR VICTORY FOR TRUMP. As noted, many low-info folks will hear the fireworks and take it to mean "Trump repealed Obamacare."

Obviously the CBO will skewer the House bill, the Senate will write its own thing, they'll go into conference and bicker back and forth. I wish it weren't even possible for something signable to come out of this process, but it seems 75% likely that something eventually will. It certainly won't be what the Freedom Friers wanted, but it will still be plenty bad enough.

fake CBO

what's gonna happen is that the senate is gonna gut the bill and what comes out of it will be similar enough to obamacare (worse, but not in the stupidly obvious ways the house bill was). the trumpkins will remember these headlines and all of of a sudden have a much higher opinion of their health insurance than before, even though they're getting the same insurance as before (if not worse).

in other news

hoo boy https://t.co/OV81LXFJuS pic.twitter.com/jdbAnV6zwz

— Jamelle Bouie (@jbouie) May 5, 2017

can we poll these:

A Michigan woman:

“Obama is more like your best friend who has parties and has Beyoncé over, and then Trump is like your dad. He's going to come whoop your ass because you didn't do what you were supposed to do and get it done, yeah.”

Trump needs "Daddy Lessons."

so sick of my best friends having beyonce over

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xp I get how that sounds, but if the median Republican's viewpoint on race were that of "Wisconsin woman" we would be a hell of a lot better off than we are.

The word "socialist" doesn't stir Cold War reflexes among most Millennials. Perhaps once half of that cohort passes 40 (around 2025), we can have a healthcare safety net. Or it may take till half the Boomers are dead (around 2035).

"Socialist" doesn't scare Millennials, but in my totally anecdotal experience there is at least as much enthusiasm for "Libertarian." Growing up steeped in post-Reagan gubmint-is-the-problem rhetoric has had a lasting effect. I find a lot of suspicion of government in general there, a lot of sympathy for the idea that there are "too many rules" (e.g., why do I have to comply with these annoying fire regulations when I'm building the microbrewery of my dreams).

"Thats another thing I dont get. You cant just go to any doc you like, and then any chemists you like?

― Stoop Crone (Trayce),"

If you have insurance, you do best to go to a doctor who is in your insurance plan. If you don't have insurance, you go to whoever will see you if you can pay for their services. Pharmacies: you can go to pretty much any one you want to. Prescriptions in the US need to be filed by doctors though, you can't just go to the pharmacy for a prescription medication and have them do it like you can in Europe (or maybe Australia)

that's pretty anecdotal xp. you live in colorado or something? literally everyone i know/associate with is in the bernie/warren wing or leftier

you don't have to get prescriptions from doctors in europe?!?

man

free pills, sexy commercials, a new kind of money that they named after themselves

they've really got it all

There are certain medications that have to be ordered through certain pharmacies e.g. Express Scripts

ok i'm back off europe