C/D--Nine Inch Nails

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Sonically, the biggest difference between Remission and A Broken Frame is the singing. (Wow, I can't believe I just wrote something quasi-positive about A Broken Frame.)

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 28 March 2005 17:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Twitch isn't that pop, agree, I always found stuff like "Stigmata," "So What," "Just One Fix" more immediately accessible than Twitch - they're just noisier.

Obviously it's his intensity more than anything that gets to people.

You know, that could be. My head's nowhere near at the same place it was when I listened to Downward Spiral day in day out, thank goodness. In the interim between that and The Fragile I went and discovered postmodern irony disease and now I can't seem to un-discover it, so I just can't relate to the stuff in the same way - although I still have a lot of empathy & fondness for Reznor and would totally invite him over for a cup of tea. I think my trouble with NIN is that Reznor seems to think good art is always honest, and to equate 100% honesty with a fairly limited scope of feelings and emotions, 99% of which are negative.. But you can be honest and be goofy and funny, and anyway, good art is not necessarily created in a really loud confessional. Maybe I sound like Captain Obvious saying that but it wasn't at all obvious to me when I first got into NIN.

daria g (daria g), Monday, 28 March 2005 21:04 (nineteen years ago) link

I think I would fear a goofy and funny NIN more than outdated-angst NIN.

Jordan (Jordan), Monday, 28 March 2005 21:10 (nineteen years ago) link

I do think Trent should write an album of love songs though.

Jordan (Jordan), Monday, 28 March 2005 21:14 (nineteen years ago) link

I do think Trent should write an album of love songs though.

I think Trent should ditch the whole industrial alternagoth shtick altogether and just write pop music, which is clearly his calling.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 28 March 2005 21:30 (nineteen years ago) link

I suppose goofy could be bad, though there's a kind of humor that could work for them. My point is really.. NIN tends to paint itself into a corner on lyrical content which is unfortunate & I think the music suffers for it. You'd think with a five-year break between albums enough expectations for a followup would be forgotten, that they'd be free to go in just about any direction, but it never seems to work out that way. Sometimes I think most of NIN's stuff is really about hating record companies because record contracts require one to make music, and so you get this standoff for five years and the record is full of guilt and angst again.

Isn't the goth shtick on the way out, though? Perhaps there should be a restraining order taken out against all goths in the vicinity of T-Rez so the rest of us could have some nice pop tunes.

daria g (daria g), Monday, 28 March 2005 21:40 (nineteen years ago) link

My feeling is the goths will be hanging with the cockroaches in the post-apocalyptic dawn. I doubt they're going away any time soon...

VegemiteGrrl (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 28 March 2005 22:15 (nineteen years ago) link

"When the big bomb goes off, all that's going to survive are goths and
cockroaches." -- Nick Cave

daria g (daria g), Monday, 28 March 2005 22:52 (nineteen years ago) link

I swear it wasn't on purpose....

VegemiteGrrl (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 28 March 2005 23:07 (nineteen years ago) link

two months pass...
i really forgot what a good album pretty hate machine was in places. big chunks of it are funny (in an intentional way) (i think) and yes, alex is right that he's an exceptional pop songwriter when he wants to be. what the fuck happened to his sense of humor? or am i just hearing what i want to, as usual?

strng hlkngtn, Saturday, 4 June 2005 21:03 (eighteen years ago) link

Hm, I think it's still there, but, how you say, sublimated...

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 4 June 2005 21:14 (eighteen years ago) link

Ned did you like 'With Teeth' in the end?

Hari A$hur$t (Toaster), Saturday, 4 June 2005 21:23 (eighteen years ago) link

Oh yes, v. much.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 4 June 2005 21:29 (eighteen years ago) link

Me too!

It's one of my favourites this year. I don't understand the hate it got.

Hari A$hur$t (Toaster), Saturday, 4 June 2005 21:39 (eighteen years ago) link

With Teeth is funny! "There is no fucking YOU / there is only me!" Funny!

David R. (popshots75`), Saturday, 4 June 2005 21:40 (eighteen years ago) link

How is With Teeth? The single has grown on me.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Saturday, 4 June 2005 21:41 (eighteen years ago) link

If you like the single then i'd definatly give 'With Teeth' a shot. I think some of it is really strong. There was a period when i couldn't stop listening to it. The second half of the disc is really really good.

Hari A$hur$t (Toaster), Saturday, 4 June 2005 21:44 (eighteen years ago) link

OTM. I'm a little bemused by all the hate myself, since I enjoyed it a lot. The only song that I can't figure out is the title track...the repetition does my head in...but I love the beat, so i'm always torn.

VegemiteGrrl (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 4 June 2005 23:13 (eighteen years ago) link

The only song that I can't figure out is the title track...the repetition does my head in

I like that! I'm into chanted mantras or something.

WITH-A TEETH-A!

Y'know, like Mark E. Smith.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 4 June 2005 23:24 (eighteen years ago) link

With Teeth is often v funny, in a good way, and in general is sooooo much less uptight than the previous two records. The reviews I read were mostly positive, so I don't know what kinda hatorade there was, except a bit of ILM snark..! I still really like it, I suspect this makes me super unfashionable again, but whatever.

Title track was my favorite thing on there for a long while.

daria g (daria g), Saturday, 4 June 2005 23:48 (eighteen years ago) link

I dunno. My natural instinct is to laugh at 'WITH-A TEETH-A'...maybe it'll grow on me?

VegemiteGrrl (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 5 June 2005 01:43 (eighteen years ago) link

i've grown to like the whole album

That One Guy (That One Guy), Sunday, 5 June 2005 02:20 (eighteen years ago) link

"i really forgot what a good album pretty hate machine was in places. big chunks of it are funny (in an intentional way) (i think) and yes, alex is right that he's an exceptional pop songwriter when he wants to be. what the fuck happened to his sense of humor? or am i just hearing what i want to, as usual? "

I think there are elements of humor in his later work too Jess (at least Broken and The Downward Spiral - I haven't actually followed Trent beyond that). I think his hardest and loudest tracks are often also the funniest (intentionally).

...Or, at least, I have to assume that there is something kinda self-knowing about lyrics like:

"Big time, hard luck/bad luck, FIST FUCK!/Don't think you're having all the fun/you know me, I HATE EVERYONE!"

or

"Shove it up INSIDE! SURPRISE! LIES!"

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Sunday, 5 June 2005 02:57 (eighteen years ago) link

starfuckers inc, duh!

latebloomer: Pain Don't Hurt (latebloomer), Sunday, 5 June 2005 02:59 (eighteen years ago) link

Ha ha Jess think of NIN as being a bit like The Blood Brothers!!!

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Sunday, 5 June 2005 03:05 (eighteen years ago) link

i saw em live in atlanta a few weeks ago. they SLAYED.

latebloomer: Pain Don't Hurt (latebloomer), Sunday, 5 June 2005 03:26 (eighteen years ago) link

No I'm not jealous. Bastard.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 5 June 2005 04:27 (eighteen years ago) link

three years pass...

fragile is a fucking dope album

max, Tuesday, 29 July 2008 03:20 (fifteen years ago) link

Reznor can definitely be guilty at times of overusing the same tricks, but that wasn't the problem on the Fragile for me! If anything the problem was that he awkwardly tacked on those 'predictable' pop song structures to songs that didnt work in that way. The best tracks on the Fragile by far are the instrumentals, and it would have been great if he had released an entirely (or almost entirely instrumental) album.

Overall, I still like the Fragile a lot despite its flaws.

-- latebloomer: AKA Sir Teddy Ruxpin, Former Scientologist (latebloomer), Sunday, March 27, 2005 9:20 PM (3 years ago) Bookmark Link

this post features a great summation sentence, its like a book report

max, Tuesday, 29 July 2008 03:21 (fifteen years ago) link

OTM ^

stephen, Tuesday, 29 July 2008 03:56 (fifteen years ago) link

The THX-1138 sample that Downward Spiral leads off with is classic in itself.

Myonga Vön Bontee, Tuesday, 29 July 2008 04:31 (fifteen years ago) link

eight months pass...

http://www.nin.com/strobelight/

Nine Inch Nails - Classic or Dud Funny Or Not?

Zeno, Wednesday, 1 April 2009 19:29 (fifteen years ago) link

i laffed, especially because of the chris cornell dis aspect

The-Steen (some dude), Wednesday, 1 April 2009 19:40 (fifteen years ago) link

I'm beginning to wonder if there's going to be some sort of set piece on the forthcoming tour.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 1 April 2009 20:01 (fifteen years ago) link

ilx needs to make STROBE LIGHT a reality

Beatrix Kiddo, Wednesday, 1 April 2009 20:46 (fifteen years ago) link

I see where you are going with this.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 1 April 2009 20:49 (fifteen years ago) link

who's up for "coffin on the dancefloor"?

baaderonixx, Wednesday, 1 April 2009 21:01 (fifteen years ago) link

Thread for potential further follies:

"ilx needs to make STROBE LIGHT a reality"

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 1 April 2009 21:07 (fifteen years ago) link

strobelight funny, ILX strobelight would not be funny

anyone try putting in their email to see if they get more lols delivered?

IRL Consequences by Godley & Creme (sic), Wednesday, 1 April 2009 22:31 (fifteen years ago) link

especially because of the chris cornell dis aspect

Yes. And especially because I entered my email addy. I got got.

tits akimbo (kenan), Wednesday, 1 April 2009 22:41 (fifteen years ago) link

trent_reznor

I may have to actually write "pussygrinder"! Anybody have Sheryl Crow's #?
12 minutes ago from TweetDeck

prins tuomas (The Reverend), Thursday, 2 April 2009 03:31 (fifteen years ago) link

Okay.. I totally expected this thread bump to be about the Digg Dialog with Trent Reznor thing, but since no one's posted about it here's the link..

http://digg.com/dialogg/Trent_Reznor?FC=UATDTR1

billstevejim, Thursday, 2 April 2009 03:36 (fifteen years ago) link

NIN laughing at chris cornell - is like the kid who got beat up at school is beating up another kid who got beaten up at school.

Zeno, Thursday, 2 April 2009 03:42 (fifteen years ago) link

unlike the chris cornell album, strobeline could theoretically have been pretty good!

iatee, Thursday, 2 April 2009 03:44 (fifteen years ago) link

or strobelight

iatee, Thursday, 2 April 2009 03:45 (fifteen years ago) link

ok, chris cornell sucks...but it's as if NIN's last albums were a masterpieces or something

Zeno, Thursday, 2 April 2009 03:48 (fifteen years ago) link

You clearly have not heard the chris cornell album. The special ed kids are making fun of it.

tits akimbo (kenan), Thursday, 2 April 2009 05:59 (fifteen years ago) link

six months pass...

I suppose it is that old, yes.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 21 October 2009 03:25 (fourteen years ago) link

eight months pass...

http://www.empireonline.com/news/story.asp?NID=28262

Apologies if this has already been discussed, there's a million nin threads.

rhythm fixated member (chap), Sunday, 4 July 2010 21:38 (thirteen years ago) link

two years pass...

Beginning at 4:00. Has anyone noticed the similarity?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LVU00zallHg

Shin Oliva Suzuki, Monday, 3 December 2012 11:09 (eleven years ago) link


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