At what point did Jimmy Page realize his band was now on a downward arc?

Riff, you say.

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Dudes, don't worry too much about Page getting overshadowed by Eddie. He got out on the frontier again a few years later when he started The Firm, thus providing the blueprint for shitty post-DLR Van Halen albums.

radioactive is a great jawn

Dudes, don't worry too much about Page getting overshadowed by Eddie. He got out on the frontier again a few years later when he started The Firm, thus providing the blueprint for shitty post-DLR Van Halen albums.

ultimately i wonder if the answer to the thread's title question isn't the year that very photo was taken, 1993

The year that The Complete Studio Recordings was released? Maybe.

Correct answer: never because every Zep record rules

hell yeah

xpost exactly. thread over.

now back to riffs vs. licks

hell. yes.

If you need a date-based answer, Ecomium was released in 1995.

I am not so sure that the glue to that band was John Paul Jones, he probably has been involved in the most interesting music after the band. His solo record 'Zooma' is quite good, the record with Galas is pretty good, he did string arrangements on REM's "Drive" and produced the Butthole Surfers.

Was reading an interview w/Paul Leary the other day where he said JPJ was a horrible drunk during the Wormhole sessions, wonder if that might be why Jimmy and Plant didn't invite him on No Quarter?

Weird, I remember jpj claiming the opposite - that Gibby was too drunk to perform the vocal on "Alcohol" ("so that was kind of poetic")

hahaha well I for one have a hard time believing Gibby Haynes of the popular straight edge band Butthole Surfers was wasted in the mid 90s, likely story JPJ

obvs any butthole is an unreliable narrator, but the way leary phrased it this was by jpj's own admission, tho also not hard to believe plant/page assholically snubbing the man who made ittod listenable for no quarter

Thought that stood for In Their Time of Dying at first.

Gibby:

When the “Independent Worm Saloon LP” was released in 1993 after Nirvana broke, it was produced by John Paul Jones, how did that work for you guys?

Oh, yeah, he was like a horrible drunk when we were doing that record, but we were loaded too. We spent so much money on that record! We basically spent a fortune to hang out with some guy from Led Zeppelin!

That reminds me of some anecdote I read a long time ago about a band in the late '90s that approached JPJ to do some orchestral arrangements, and he quoted them a fee that was "...equivalent to the combined budgets for the first couple Zep albums..." and the band balked. This was funny because this was a pretty huge band* and probably could have easily afforded it.

*Whom I don't remember...I wanna saw it was the Chili Peps, but didn't Jones work them earlier?

https://www.theguardian.com/music/2018/dec/19/robbie-williams-wins-pool-planning-victory-over-jimmy-page