At what point did Jimmy Page realize his band was now on a downward arc?

Well the Christian thing was sort of key for Sabbath's dismissal among chief critics at the time no? Lester Bangs was maybe the first one to explicitly call them a Christian band I think. He was a fan though.

lick vs. riff is a debate that the philosophers have debated for ages

Taking sides: Riffs vs Licks

I've got a secret for you guys: Black Sabbath were secretly a Christian rock band.

true, any Satanic band is basically exploring the Christian spiritual hierarchy

yup. all Satanic bands are Christian bands.

moonlight is sunlight

Poop is food

Black Sabbath weren't a satanic band at all, though.

By that logic, Christian bands are all Satanic bands, which means U2 are satanists.

true, any Satanic band is basically exploring the Christian spiritual hierarchy

Well, when you're talking about King Diamond or Slayer or Deicide singing songs about Satan, and arguing that they're playing the Christians' game by even acknowledging their deity as a legit adversary, that's a different thing. I'm straight-up saying Black Sabbath were pro-God and pro-Jesus, and the occult imagery was deployed in a "sinners in the hands of an angry God/behold the torments of Hell and repent your wicked ways" way rather than a "we love the Devil!" way.

otm

yeah that's a legit distinction

also jumping back a bit, even if we restrict the definition of 'riff' to 'lead line', surely paint it black is almost as famous as satisfaction?

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paved the way for such fun like Demon Hunter

By that logic, Christian bands are all Satanic bands, which means U2 are satanists.

satanists are a subsect of Christianity, not the other way around. But yes, I'm sure Bono believes in the devil, probably the same way Antonin Scalia did

xp

the devil is MULTINATIONAL COMMERCE

誤訳侮辱 OTM.

Trying to clarify what I said earlier: a riff is rhythmic and essential to the song's identity, but it's usually not chordal - Paint it Black is definitely a riff, so is Satisfaction, but i maintain that Start Me Up is not a riff.

a lick does not repeat - a lick isn't the core of the song like a riff

also jumping back a bit, even if we restrict the definition of 'riff' to 'lead line', surely paint it black is almost as famous as satisfaction?

Yes, as is 'The Last Time' ...

No, 'Start Me Up' is a riff, flappy, and you're still wrong.

'Ventilator Blues' is far from the Stones most famous song, but christ, what a riff.

Riffs vs Licks
The opening guitar on Tumbling Dice is a good example of a lick. It's just a tasty part of the song. Vs a riff which repeats...

the "isn't chordal" part of flappy's riff definition is the part that seems a bit revisionist to me

yeah, like 'Wild Horses' and 'Jigsaw Puzzle' are made up of separate licks rather than one defining riff

xp i maintain that a riff is not chordal. i wouldn't call Smells Like Teen Spirit a riff. a riff is a lead line in the lower register that repeats/defines the song

*usually in the lower register... At the Drive-In's 'Arcarsenal,' Omar's high part in that is a riff, not a lick. fuck my head hurts

doesn't this argument have its own thread (possibly with "hook" thrown in for good measure?)

and I'm pretty sure it's 'rift'.

The Parts of a Song

Keith Richards thing is dyad and triad riffs, lots of them based off an open G tuning. Dyad riffing would be anything with powerchords from Iron Man to Smoke on the Water.

Jesus H Christ this thread sidetracked

http://www.metal-archives.com/images/2/1/2/212_label.jpg?2453

riffs are killer
licks are tasty

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d/d1/Rollingstonesfortylicks.jpg
think this settles it

This debate about the definition of "riff" seems crazy to me. The term does not originate with rock guitar. Any repeated melodic pattern that forms the basis for a tune, whether it is harmonized or not, can be called a riff, regardless of register.

http://riverwalkjazz.stanford.edu/program/riffs-and-shouts-building-blocks-jazz

also tone is sick

OTM

Unless this whole thing is for the lulz, in which case, good work.

Thanks, Sund4r. Finally some sense in here.

At what point did Jimmy Page realize his tone was so sick

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Yeah, part of me actually hopes flappy bird is trolling, 'cuz I can't believe someone could be this much of an idiot.

xpost well in 1977 everything about Page was sick

killer riffs
tasty licks
sick tone
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ANY QUESTIONS???

da share zone

guys ffs keef is known as the human riff not the human lick

lock thread

he has however been licked by many humans

'Communication Breakdown' ... what a riff!

i admit i partially brought up 'licks' just to provoke this whole last forty posts or so

massive hooks

By that logic, Christian bands are all Satanic bands, which means U2 are satanists.

― The Roger Waters Experience (Turrican)

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MacPhisto!!!!

" a riff is a lead line in the lower register that repeats/defines the song"

This basically eliminates the entire career of Jeff Beck from The Yardbirds to today ffs.

pfft Jeff Beck doesn't riff, what kinda car did he drive in his prime?! not the type of car a RIFF PLAYER drove, that's for sure!