Trump's America, March 2017: Using His Inside VOICE

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Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 28 March 2017 22:12 (seven years ago) link

I'm of the opinion that it is a good thing Michael Flynn had to resign given the fact that he's crazy and dangerous to have had directing national security. Trump's people keep getting caught lying about it. Pursuing it is good politics. We can't say "stupid fixation" in light of the tangible results we've seen, handful of conspiracist tweetstorms notwithstanding.

Nerdstrom Poindexter, Tuesday, 28 March 2017 22:13 (seven years ago) link

I'm not sure how we can gauge the overall effect of the hacking however...
https://twitter.com/jesseberney/status/817715635975294977

Nerdstrom Poindexter, Tuesday, 28 March 2017 22:15 (seven years ago) link

It's not like Trump and fam have done anything to distance themselves from the emoluments so no statute of limitations there. Wait until the time is right to pile on.

The idea that we need to focus on finding the one true way to fuck with this administration and stop doing this thing that clearly drives them crazy, that forces recusals and resignations, is stupid

Not the real Tombot (El Tomboto), Tuesday, 28 March 2017 22:25 (seven years ago) link

"This Russia nonsense is causing the GOP to turn on itself. Democrats need to stop harping on it because it gives Putin too much credit."

Not the real Tombot (El Tomboto), Tuesday, 28 March 2017 22:26 (seven years ago) link

this article makes a decent case that buchanan was the worst of the worst:

https://medium.com/everyvote/no-trump-isnt-the-worst-president-ever-c688ddddc8c5

it'd be kinda cool if presidents still made that "one term only!" promise

― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Tuesday, March 28, 2017 5:51 PM (twenty-one minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

this was good, thanks

Nhex, Tuesday, 28 March 2017 22:26 (seven years ago) link

It's not like Trump and fam have done anything to distance themselves from the emoluments so no statute of limitations there. Wait until the time is right to pile on.

this is my thinking, too -- if anything, letting these penny-ante violations go is sorta like giving him an opportunity to try something more brazen. give em enough rope, imo

jason waterfalls (gbx), Tuesday, 28 March 2017 22:30 (seven years ago) link

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/10/us/trump-international-hotel-lawsuit-cork-wine-bar.html?_r=0

The Cork Wine Bar in DC has sued Trump

Mr. Pitts and Ms. Gross claim that the Trump International Hotel, in the Old Post Office building in Washington, and the restaurants within enjoy an illegal advantage in the city’s restaurant market because of their association with Mr. Trump and that Cork has suffered as a result
Ms. Gross and Mr. Pitts are not seeking monetary damages. But the suit, filed in District of Columbia Superior Court, offers a few improbable ways to resolve the issue: The hotel can stop operating; Mr. Trump and his family can fully divest from the business; or Mr. Trump can resign from office.

A White House spokeswoman referred questions to the Trump Organization, which described the lawsuit in a statement as “a wild publicity stunt completely lacking in legal merit.”

curmudgeon, Tuesday, 28 March 2017 22:32 (seven years ago) link

tom there was an article awhile back about fascist leaders and its was pretty persuasive in arguing that sleaze and corruption scandals are some of the only effective avenues to topple them from the outside. so yeah full steam ahead imo. the battle of ideas can be fought elsewhere.

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 28 March 2017 22:34 (seven years ago) link

It's not like Trump and fam have done anything to distance themselves from the emoluments so no statute of limitations there. Wait until the time is right to pile on.

The idea that we need to focus on finding the one true way to fuck with this administration and stop doing this thing that clearly drives them crazy, that forces recusals and resignations, is stupid

― Not the real Tombot (El Tomboto), Tuesday, March 28, 2017 3:25 PM (five minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

OTM

intheblanks, Tuesday, 28 March 2017 22:35 (seven years ago) link

guys we gotta stop pursuing this Russia thing, we're annoying the GOP

Neanderthal, Tuesday, 28 March 2017 22:37 (seven years ago) link

https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2017/03/the-search-for-standing/520467/

perhaps most importantly, the outcome may prove a referendum about the Emoluments Clause itself: If the first-ever attempts to enforce it can’t even reach the courtroom, the 200-year-old law may prove little more than another toothless norm to be shredded by an administration that has already rewritten so many rules of American governance.

curmudgeon, Tuesday, 28 March 2017 22:39 (seven years ago) link

Linked that earlier.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 28 March 2017 22:50 (seven years ago) link

Can't spell "what Ned Raggett said" without Neanderthal

Not the real Tombot (El Tomboto), Tuesday, 28 March 2017 22:51 (seven years ago) link

boom

Not the real Tombot (El Tomboto), Tuesday, 28 March 2017 22:52 (seven years ago) link

Back tomorrow folks - gonna take the rest of the day, comp time

Not the real Tombot (El Tomboto), Tuesday, 28 March 2017 22:53 (seven years ago) link

sorry i'm a few hours behind, missed that one

Neanderthal, Tuesday, 28 March 2017 22:54 (seven years ago) link

Back tomorrow folks - gonna take the rest of the day, comp time

― Not the real Tombot (El Tomboto), Tuesday, March 28, 2017 3:53 PM (forty-eight seconds ago)

^^^ what Devin Nunes said the other night when he suddenly jumped out of an Uber.

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Tuesday, 28 March 2017 22:55 (seven years ago) link

rip tombot

Treeship, Tuesday, 28 March 2017 22:56 (seven years ago) link

yeah, i occasionally wonder what dick cheney thinks of these rank amateurs

well he called Russian hacking "an act of war" yesterday

wow, btwn this, s-s marriage and his praise of Obama's evolution into a drone warrior he's basically a Wasserman-Schultz Democrat now

Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 28 March 2017 22:56 (seven years ago) link

Cheney's position about bombing perceived enemies has never wavered.

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 28 March 2017 22:59 (seven years ago) link

Whoops!

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/manafort-linked-accounts-cyprus-raised-red-flag-n739156

A bank in Cyprus investigated accounts associated with President Donald Trump's former campaign chairman, Paul Manafort, for possible money-laundering, two banking sources with direct knowledge of his businesses here told NBC News.

Manafort — whose ties to a Russian oligarch close to President Vladimir Putin are under scrutiny — was associated with at least 15 bank accounts and 10 companies on Cyprus, dating back to 2007, the sources said. At least one of those companies was used to receive millions of dollars from a billionaire Putin ally, according to court documents.

Banking sources said some transactions on Manafort-associated accounts raised sufficient concern to trigger an internal investigation at a Cypriot bank into potential money laundering activities. After questions were raised, Manafort closed the accounts, the banking sources said.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 28 March 2017 23:06 (seven years ago) link

I just watched that!

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 28 March 2017 23:15 (seven years ago) link

It was you, you money-launderer, you Russian tycoon.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 28 March 2017 23:18 (seven years ago) link

Doesn't that Wilbur Ross have some banking ties into Cyprus? There have been so many articles, I thought I read that somewhere.

earlnash, Tuesday, 28 March 2017 23:38 (seven years ago) link

Nunes's hometown paper goes ham:

http://www.fresnobee.com/opinion/editorials/article140687833.html

As subservient as Nunes was to Trump on Wednesday, he did not give the president exactly what he wanted. As FBI Director James Comey had done Monday during the Intelligence committee’s public hearing, Nunes said hat Trump’s claim about Obama wiretapping him was false. Perhaps Nunes thought he could have it both ways by letting Trump use him, but then telling the press that the new reports offered no such evidence.

Nunes’ defenders say that he did nothing wrong and that President Trump deserved to have the information. But Nunes himself exposed the emptiness of that argument by privately apologizing to his Democratic colleagues on the committee.

Americans can distinguish between a hard-nosed fact-finder and a surrogate who shares information with a White House under FBI investigation.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 28 March 2017 23:40 (seven years ago) link

such an unfortunate use of words in this washington post headline:


"Karen Pence is the vice president’s ‘prayer warrior,’ gut check and shield."

scott seward, Wednesday, 29 March 2017 01:39 (seven years ago) link

jesus sucks

Neanderthal, Wednesday, 29 March 2017 01:41 (seven years ago) link

nunes' company website wipes russian business ties

https://www.palmerreport.com/news/coverup-devin-nunes-company-russia/2086/

reggie (qualmsley), Wednesday, 29 March 2017 02:13 (seven years ago) link

Don't wanna even think about what being Pence's gut shield entails (Oxford commas, WP).

Ambling Shambling Man (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 29 March 2017 02:14 (seven years ago) link

A fair amount of joy in this new Thrush/Haberman piece:

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/28/us/politics/vice-president-mike-pence.html

The president’s son-in-law and free-floating aide, Jared Kushner, who has described himself as a first among equals in the West Wing...

And

When Mr. Flynn was fired in mid-February, Mr. Trump and White House officials said he had misled the vice president about his conversations with Mr. Kislyak, which led to an embarrassing television appearance in which an oblivious Mr. Pence defended Mr. Flynn’s conduct.

In reality, Mr. Trump — convinced by Mr. Bannon, Mr. Priebus and Mr. Kushner — had already decided that Mr. Flynn was a liability, and was eager to find an excuse to get rid of him, according to three administration officials familiar with the episode.

Mr. Pence was a lot less upset about how the episode was publicly portrayed — and happily provided the president and his staff with a plausible explanation for getting rid of Mr. Flynn, the officials said, even though it made the vice president appear out of touch.

In fact, the president repeatedly asked Mr. Pence to weigh in — and he flatly refused, according to two aides with direct knowledge of the interaction.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 29 March 2017 03:12 (seven years ago) link

I thought as much.

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 29 March 2017 03:16 (seven years ago) link

yeah Pence has seemed to be happy to play Mr. Alibi from the go.

PURE, BEAUTIFUL OIL (Sparkle Motion), Wednesday, 29 March 2017 05:15 (seven years ago) link

Isn't it well known that there was a 3 week interval between Sally Yates informing the WH about Flynn and him being fired?
&that Pence's claim of ignorance was untrue anyway since he was informed during the campaign?
So surprised he has much, if any, credibility left.

Stevolende, Wednesday, 29 March 2017 08:00 (seven years ago) link

republicans love scandals. democrats scorn them. it's an interesting dynamic, as republicans seize more and more control of the US federal and various levels of state governments than at any time since Reconstruction

reggie (qualmsley), Wednesday, 29 March 2017 14:12 (seven years ago) link

http://pix11.com/2017/03/29/shots-fired-near-capitol-hill-when-person-attempts-to-run-over-officers-d-c-police/

WAS NUNES DRIVING THE CAR???!!!

Neanderthal, Wednesday, 29 March 2017 14:30 (seven years ago) link

He's back!

https://twitter.com/oliverdarcy/status/847092043184852992

After a “quiet few days,” Andrew Napolitano returns to Fox News, says he stands by his report Obama ordered GCHQ to spy on Trump

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 29 March 2017 14:49 (seven years ago) link

whew I was worried

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 29 March 2017 14:50 (seven years ago) link

https://thinkprogress.org/trump-gutted-lgbt-executive-order-8dd0e3be69a

Trump’s new executive order undermines a promise he made just two months ago. When a draft of a “religious freedom” executive order that would have licensed discrimination against LGBT people was circulating, the White House tried to stir up some positive press by promising that it would “leave in place” Obama’s 2014 order protecting LGBT workers.

art, Wednesday, 29 March 2017 14:57 (seven years ago) link

calling Trump a piece of shit seems unfair to actual shit

Rachel Luther Queen (DJP), Wednesday, 29 March 2017 15:00 (seven years ago) link

I may have missed discussion of it on the board, but there's a front page story in today's FT about increasing big business resistance (led by Exxon, of all entities) to the administration's desire to hasten the destruction of the ecosystem: https://www.ft.com/content/acf309b0-13b3-11e7-80f4-13e067d5072c

Ambling Shambling Man (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 29 March 2017 15:17 (seven years ago) link

"calling Trump a piece of shit seems unfair to actual shit"

"Nick Hornby is full of shit. Actually, this is unfair to shit. At least life grows from shit." WTF?

scott seward, Wednesday, 29 March 2017 15:20 (seven years ago) link

reminded me of that.

scott seward, Wednesday, 29 March 2017 15:21 (seven years ago) link

not surprisingly, the whole ISP/data privacy bill seems to be the only thing making the chuds over at r/the_d rethink their support of the god king

jason waterfalls (gbx), Wednesday, 29 March 2017 15:27 (seven years ago) link

increasing big business resistance (led by Exxon, of all entities) to the administration's desire to hasten the destruction of the ecosystem

market forces have long been moving in this direction (as a result of both gov't policies/incentives and a general acceptance of the science), corporations that care about their profit margins make moves accordingly

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 29 March 2017 15:34 (seven years ago) link

Charlie Dent just said the Senate should handle the Russia probe

Neanderthal, Wednesday, 29 March 2017 15:37 (seven years ago) link

Trump will be like "WEAK GUY THAT VOTED AGAINST HEALTH CARE WANTS TO INVESTIGATE MOI?"

Neanderthal, Wednesday, 29 March 2017 15:39 (seven years ago) link

Timing!

https://twitter.com/thehill/status/847083958659661824

Roger Stone documentary to premiere in May on Netflix

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C8FyXoTXQAMRsYI.jpg

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 29 March 2017 15:46 (seven years ago) link

nice martini, I must say

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 29 March 2017 16:01 (seven years ago) link


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