PINK FLOYD

I think his playing was pretty good up until about 1970/71. Never really noticed it thereafter.

The way you see him hacking away at the Money bassline on an acoustic guitar on the making of DSOTM documentary suggests to me that he's got no feel whatsoever for the instrument.

I would include Piper and Pompeii "Echoes" among "the good bass stuff," and always thought it was a shame that Waters never really kept at it -- he was on the verge of developing a unique voice on the instrument.

― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat)

fred frith's bass playing in naked city was really influenced by roger waters, i've heard.

Was listening to the Stockholm 67 recording and thinking waters sounded awesome -- but it's more of an elemental thing overall ...

Fretless solo on Murder, from About Face, too.

That's not Pino Palladino?

Years back I did some work with Guy Pr@tt and I asked him 'so, is it *really* true that Gilmour played the good bass stuff on the records?' he just laughed and looked at me like I was crazy for even asking.

― MaresNest, Saturday, March 25, 2017 10:17 AM (twelve hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

He did the bulk of the good singing on the records too. The rest of the good singing, of course, being done by Rick Wright.

from what i understand he was responsible for the large majority of the good guitar playing as well

to be fair gilmour did his share of bad singing as well.

Definitely did most pouting.

Funny that the member of Floyd responsible for most of its good singing, bass playing, and guitar playing managed to parlay these superior skills into Floyd's worst record.

And their best! WYWH :)

Always felt Waters had the ideas and the aesthetics, Gilmour had the skills, Mason the sense of humor, and Wright the soul. Clearly, as Floyd began to get more "serious" you can see how much Wright and especially Mason get marginalized in the late 70's.

Pushing Wright increasingly into the margins post-Wish You Were Here was a huge mistake. I think his keyboard playing is still superb on Animals, but I begin to miss his voice. I miss his keyboard playing on The Wall and The Final Cut. It's true that Waters was great with concepts and song ideas, but I think he went a little too far in forcing his "vision" upon the band on The Wall and The Final Cut to the point where it smothered the identity of the band. Animals, as much as Waters dominated on that record, is the last "true" Floyd record for me, in that you can still hear all the band members working together to create that Pink Floyd sound that they honed together over a number of years following Syd's departure. After that, it was Waters (plus backing band) or Gilmour (plus backing band) and the bands identity was lost.

Turrican OTM

Yup, egos and immaturity ruined them. So sad a band that good for that long allowed that sort of nonsense to tear them apart.

The Wall is further proof that cocaine is a heluva drug.

excellent point, never thought of The Wall as a coke album but it def is, now that I think about it there's some similarities to Tusk - band fracturing, huge expectations based on 70's blockbuster followups, artistic sprawl... but FM pulled it together in the end and stayed more or less cohesive.

(by "pulled it together in the end", I mean "released a few more albums that didn't sound like one member's solo project")

Pushing Wright increasingly into the margins post-Wish You Were Here was a huge mistake.

I thought Wright stopped contributing because he decided he'd rather spend time with his family. Gilmour complained about Wright's lack of input as much as Waters. And after Animals, Waters presented the band with both The Pros & Cons of Hitchhiking and The Wall, and the band chose to go with The Wall -- it was surely Waters being kind of a dominant jerk, but the others (by their own admission) weren't exactly overflowing with ideas of their own.

i thought it was Pros and Cons vs Final Cut?

Then they should have taken a break or gone on hiatus.

In July 1978 the band reconvened at Britannia Row Studios, where Waters presented two new ideas for concept albums. The first was a 90-minute demo with the working title Bricks in the Wall.[13] The second, a project about a man's dreams across one night that dealt with marriage, sex, and the pros and cons of monogamy and family life versus promiscuity.[14] The first option was chosen by the group for the new Pink Floyd project and the second idea eventually became Waters's first solo effort, a concept album titled The Pros and Cons of Hitch Hiking.[13]

The Final Cut was, in Gilmour's view, little more than The Wall leftovers -- "If these songs weren't good enough for The Wall, why are they good enough now?"

They were in a desperate financial situation by the time of The Wall, though, so they pretty much had no choice but to do something.

xp

Okay, so they found themselves facing a hefty tax bill, there was dissatisfaction within the group with the whole stadium experience, relations within the band were strained and they were on the brink of falling apart.

What it resulted in, though, is The Wall by Roger Waters and backing band and not a collaborative effort by Pink Floyd. I dare say if they weren't having business problems and were forced to continue, the band would have naturally fell apart in the late '70s and there wouldn't have even been a Gilmour-led Floyd. I think they were pretty much over as a collaborative unit after Animals.

I mean, from what it sounds like to me, there was tension within the band and they were fed up with each other long before The Wall.

Come on now, surely the wall is at least 'waters, gilmour and backing band'

The Roger Waters Experience

always thought of it as Waters/Gilmour/Ezrin tbh

Yes exactly
(Waters gilmour ezrin kamen?)

The Wall rehearsals sneak recording is insight into Waters mania, he sounds completely at the end of his rope at various points.

I mean, from what it sounds like to me, there was tension within the band and they were fed up with each other long before The Wall.

― Coolio Iglesias (Turrican), Monday, March 27, 2017 5:53 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I think there were big fights as far back as DSOTM. But I agree, they would've fallen apart (or at least gone on hiatus) after Animals had they not been in a cash crunch.

In July 1978 the band reconvened at Britannia Row Studios, where Waters presented two new ideas for concept albums

i wonder when the possibility of a non-concept album last occurred to roger

Last time they put a "greatest hits" package together?

(Waters gilmour ezrin kamen?)

All right
I got somethin' to say
Yeah, it's better to burn out
Yeah, than fade away

next level

irl lol

Looool

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4h_OZ1F1BjQ

Anybody familiar with this? looks potentially interesting, always happy to read what Joe Boyd has to say:

https://www.amazon.com/Pink-Floyd-Their-Mortal-Remains/dp/1851779167/ref=pd_lutyp_im_3_1?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_i=1851779167&pd_rd_r=CQ1P331M7SBSWDDSFFFM&pd_rd_w=MyskY&pd_rd_wg=cxrx3&psc=1&refRID=CQ1P331M7SBSWDDSFFFM

Possibly linked earlier but if not -- see you on the dark side of the shrimp

http://gizmodo.com/newly-discovered-chill-dad-shrimp-gets-best-name-ever-1794253725

And my eyes still grow damp to remember
That his majesty signed with his own rubber shrimp

we don't need no / new crustaceans

Hoo ken ye eat yaer plankton if yae haven't had any krill

Shine On, You Crazy Decapod.

A Saucerful of Shrimp
More Shrimp
BubbaGumpa
Atom Heart Shrimp
Obscured by Shrimp
Wish You Were Shrimp
The Final Shrimp
A Momentary Lapse of Shrimp
The Division Shrimp

^ Heh, I actually read that in the voice of Bubba.

I listened to The Final Cut a couple of nights ago and found it to be quite a moving record this time around.

Careful with That Prawn, Eugene

A requiem for the post-shrimp dream.

shrimp has swum across the ocean
leaving just some stunned small prey

On a distant shore, miles from land
Stands the ebony totem in ebony sand
A dream in a mist of grey...
On a far distant shore...

The pebble that stood alone
And driftwood lies half buried
Warm shallow waters sweep shells
So the cockles shine...

A bare winding carcase, stark
Shimmers as flies scoop up meat, an empty way...
Dry tears...
Crisp flax squeaks tall reeds
Make a circle of grey in a summer way, around man
Stood on ground...